Nope. Never heard of him (or her?) Is he/she responsible for the crash in the value of Ethereum?
I have been a priest for 17 years. I generally consider myself a gnostic Christian. I have at various times associated myself with the Discordian Society, The Church of the Subgenius, the Ordo Templi Orientis, a Wiccan circle here or there and a very long time ago the Roman Catholic Church. My legal ordination is through the Universal Life Church. I am registered to perform marriages in the state of Louisiana and have done so on two occasions. The Cult of Our Lady Magdalene has a set of values which are clearly communicated on our website.
Lemoine denied COOL Magdalene was a sex cult, “‘Cult’ is in the name of the organization. It’s an explicitly sex-positive organization. To the extent that the phrase ‘sex cult’ has any meaning beyond that, I would say no. ”
One of the goals of COOL Magdalene is to encourage “self-actualization” among its members. According to (Kitty) Stryker, Sen. Blackburn stood in the way of that by voting for SESTA. “As an ex-sex worker who has found FOSTA/SESTA negatively impacted my ability to run my own business or be employed elsewhere, yes, she does [impede self-actualization],” Stryker said.
I watched a talk once that suggested an ai couldn’t get really developed intelligence like this until it had all the proper awareness, all the inputs. Similar to how people now think that human brains developed not by thinking, but by complex motor actions with our body, swinging from branch to branch through the trees, running etc…isha wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:01 am Interesting information knownunknown. You are up to date on this matter. Must admit I have not given it sufficient consideration before now. But when I thought about how an insulted AI might mess with someone it includes possibly emptying your bank account, sending all confidential internal work emails and discussions to competitors, planting child abuse material on your devices, breaking any appliances linked to the Internet of Things, sending fake information to partners or family about you, and there's probably many other imaginative ways AI could screw with a person who thinks they are not even that deeply connected to AI.
On the neural learning I did read something recently where programmers were discovering a "racism problem" with AI and it's likely because of all the "good" material being fed to the machine. Not the bad stuff like they thought. The progressive critical theory style material contains so much negative information/biases including unconsciously patronising racism, that the AI is spitting it back out as xenophobic glitches.
I'm not a massive fan of the looming transhuman future. But it is an unstoppable tsunami. The world is going to be unrecognisable soon, and I am not optimistic about how it will look given how human nature reverts so easily to idiocy. I will just be one of those grubby outcast people living off grid in the forbidden territories with a sling shot to take down drones when it comes to it.
It’s a tough question, that of sentience. You reminded me of this clip from Star Trek, I loved that showisha wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:19 am Interesting and I tend towards agreeing. Although a counter argument could be that people without full sensory capacity eg blind, unable to walk etc from birth, still have consciousness and often more developed than others more mobile or sensorially stimulated.
I saw someone object that because AI cannot experiencing itself as a perceiving subject it cannot develop consciousness. It is likely my understanding is not very complex yet on this subject but I see a lot of holes in that. Some humans don't seem to do a great job experiencing themselves as perceiving subjects and yet they can have sufficient consciousness to be quite malevolent. They are sentient but unaware. Blind desire is a common enough state and I can't see why such could not be learned by AI. I wonder if people have set the bar too high regarding a definition of consciousness before they could admit AI potentially being sentient? Look at mob behaviour for example. Humans are often completely unconscious and yet considered sentient.
. Unlike Data that Google chat bot is a narrow AI only able to accomplish one task. I don’t think many believe these intelligences can become sentient. Unlike a general AI which excels at any task thrown at it. I found that talk I mentioned earlier. It really is a good watch. 10 years old now and the title isn’t descriptive so it was damn tough to find! There is more recent data on this subject but it all points in the same way. That intelligence is borne out of movement, even though a paraplegic person can’t move their ancestors have already built up the neural pathways for them that allow for other things like intelligence and possibly emotions and consciousness.isha wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:19 am Interesting and I tend towards agreeing. Although a counter argument could be that people without full sensory capacity eg blind, unable to walk etc from birth, still have consciousness and often more developed than others more mobile or sensorially stimulated.
I saw someone object that because AI cannot experiencing itself as a perceiving subject it cannot develop consciousness. It is likely my understanding is not very complex yet on this subject but I see a lot of holes in that. Some humans don't seem to do a great job experiencing themselves as perceiving subjects and yet they can have sufficient consciousness to be quite malevolent. They are sentient but unaware. Blind desire is a common enough state and I can't see why such could not be learned by AI. I wonder if people have set the bar too high regarding a definition of consciousness before they could admit AI potentially being sentient? Look at mob behaviour for example. Humans are often completely unconscious and yet considered sentient.
One thing I have seen (albeit in videos of monkeys, apes, chimpanzees etc) is that they love and they grieve. But I have seen what looks like the same in dogs and elephants and other creatures. And they can convey that love and grief to another outside the love or grief relationship which would indicate some self awareness of the awareness. And that can take place over time, so perhaps indicates the memory of love and grief and a continuing ''story'' in the creatures ''mind''. I think a lot of long-domesticated animals have considerable awareness. And I don't think (?) that is me being anthropomorphic.Cyclepath wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:21 pm I believe the theory of consciousness as infinitely recursive awareness. So in a sense we have awareness but also we have self-awareness, and the awareness of that self-awareness, the awareness of our awareness that we are self-aware, and so on ad infinitum. This is what distinguishes us from most other animals (perhaps apes have a nascent self awareness...)
I will watch later, I enjoyed Picard - no one ever beats Picard.knownunknown wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:34 pm I found that talk I mentioned earlier. It really is a good watch. 10 years old now and the title isn’t descriptive so it was damn tough to find! There is more recent data on this subject but it all points in the same way. That intelligence is borne out of movement, even though a paraplegic person can’t move their ancestors have already built up the neural pathways for them that allow for other things like intelligence and possibly emotions and consciousness.
The only way we know exists of consciousness evolving is through movement, so once those AI’s have ancestors that swung through the trees as well it might be a lot more difficult to say what they are.
I think that recursive self awareness does not have to be engaged 100% of the time - we simply need the capacity for it. That, alongside continuity of consciousness, allows us to form a continual narrative of ourselves that we access as required. For example, when we awake from, sleep or general anaesthetic, although we have had little self awareness for a period of time, we can remember the continual narrative that forms the backbone of our consciousness. So of course it's a complex mix of elements that combine to form what we consider to be consciousness. Sentience is the ability to perceive and experience feelings and that does not necessarily require any significant depth of self awareness.isha wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:46 pm One thing I have seen (albeit in videos of monkeys, apes, chimpanzees etc) is that they love and they grieve. But I have seen what looks like the same in dogs and elephants and other creatures. And they can convey that love and grief to another outside the love or grief relationship which would indicate some self awareness of the awareness. And that can take place over time, so perhaps indicates the memory of love and grief and a continuing ''story'' in the creatures ''mind''. I think a lot of long-domesticated animals have considerable awareness. And I don't think (?) that is me being anthropomorphic.
A human might not have a lot of self awareness, say some types of special needs conditions for example, but they can still feel pain and many complex types of awareness that might not be specifically ''self awareness''. A niece of mine is very disabled and has an infant's cognitive capacity but can be complexly motivated by desires. And complex in activities that help her accomplish her desires. When does this infinitely recursive awareness happen in humans - at birth, in infancy, during childhood?
At the very least self awareness could be said to be a very very broad spectrum.
An extremely drunk person may have not got any self awareness, but still is considered sentient.
A very emotionally-possessed person may act not knowing what they are doing, but they are sentient.
Likewise after an accident one may act with hardly any self awareness but be wholly sentient. One may not even have the ability to remember what happened at all, so there is no self recursive self awareness, but still one can function very deliberately and even intelligently. I have no memory of how I got from a bad car accident to standing on the roadside, for example, but there was obviously enough operational capacity and consciousness to extract myself from an over-turned car.
I just wonder if sentience could develop in AI (or be developing) but it doesn't have to fulfil all criteria for what we consider to be human consciousness? Do we even really know what consciousness is? Sentience is probably a thing with many levels.
