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In the pursuit of transparency, I wish to say that just now I have listened to an interview with Dr Shankara Chetty which has completely shocked me and utterly changed my opinion of him. Gobsmacked me, in fact.
I had seen zero hint before of what he said today. Genuinely amazed he came out with this level of absurdity.

It remains possible even likely that his treatments have worked. But he is, in my radically changed opinion, completely unhinged and deranged.
Unfortunately the interview I saw today had him argue that "they" intend to kill off billions with this manufactured virus and compulsory vaccine via dangerous spike protein. Completely insane stuff.
Thought it better to be honest about what I have just found out. And I regretfully fully retract my former genuine admiration of him in the light of this interview. Damn, son, he's crazy 😔

Thinking out loud, and trying to be occasionally less wrong...
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At about 4:23 into this video some documents are shown one of which mentions Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine.

It appears another conspiracy theory is about to be put to bed.




https://ibb.co/5nqm2RP



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What did I say to you just yesterday about googling stuff before you post it? Project Veritas? Long banned from Twitter and other platforms for posting nonsense.

It seems this story is no different. Docs from new Project Veritas #ExposeFauci lab leak report FALL APART on inspection
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Scotty wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:41 pm What did I say to you just yesterday about googling stuff before you post it? Project Veritas? Long banned from Twitter and other platforms for posting nonsense.

It seems this story is no different. Docs from new Project Veritas #ExposeFauci lab leak report FALL APART on inspection
Did you listen to that nonsense video of those two people?
They did not like the way it was written and had nothing more to add.

If that is what persuades you, there is nothing to be said.
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PureIsle wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:56 pm If that is what persuades you, there is nothing to be said.
Says the guy citing Project Veritas as a news source... lol.

Hmm, The Hill vrs Project Veritas. One is the largest independent political news site in the United States. The other has been banned from most social media for spouting nonsense. Now, which one to believe....??
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There you go again, putting your faith in the brand and not the message.

Did you even play that silly video?

What did you really think it said other than they did not like the way something was written?

Even then they agreed it might be true but .. but..... don't like the way it is worded.

Yeah really persuasive.
A true debunk.

:roll:
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US inmates sue jail over ivermectin use for Covid-19.

Seems some of the US prison population have been used as lab rats for for the testing of Ivermectin.

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/us ... -covid-19/
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Ncdjd2 wrote: Tue Jan 18, 2022 12:44 pm US inmates sue jail over ivermectin use for Covid-19.

Seems some of the US prison population have been used as lab rats for for the testing of Ivermectin.

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/us ... -covid-19/
:shock: :shock: Just when you think the Ivermectin story cannot get any weirder.
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Ncdjd2 wrote: Tue Jan 18, 2022 12:44 pm US inmates sue jail over ivermectin use for Covid-19.

Seems some of the US prison population have been used as lab rats for for the testing of Ivermectin.

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/us ... -covid-19/
I wholeheartedly agree with
“No one – including incarcerated individuals – should be deceived and subject to medical experimentation,”
and if the officials did not properly inform the inmates of what was being administered, then there should be repercussions ...... but on the other hand I do not know how US prisons are run and what powers the officials have, especially as the majority of those places are commercially run.

Other than that I thought the article was extremely biased.
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I wonder who was behind the testing. The article hasn't much detail, but interesting one to watch in the future.
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PureIsle wrote: Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:38 pm I wholeheartedly agree with



and if the officials did not properly inform the inmates of what was being administered, then there should be repercussions ...... but on the other hand I do not know how US prisons are run and what powers the officials have, especially as the majority of those places are commercially run.

Other than that I thought the article was extremely biased.
Us prisons were always a ready source of willing or unwilling participants for medical experiments goes back decades. LSD was used widely on willing participants, Whitey Bolger was happy to get free drugs during his incarceration. I cant see anyone getting sued on this one.
The lab rats do not get any rights at all ;)
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Ncdjd2 wrote: Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:46 pm I wonder who was behind the testing. The article hasn't much detail, but interesting one to watch in the future.
Some more detail in this CBS News article

Sounds like the prison doctor is an Ivermectin fan and his use of it in the prison has been common knowledge since August of last year.

The issue is consent - did he tell them what they were taking? If not I guess he's toast.

Definitely one to watch.
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I wonder if there is any data on the efficacy of Ivermectin in that jail :D
credible medical professionals, the FDA, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, all agree is not an effective treatment against COVID-19," the lawsuit says.
My understanding is that at least one of those has said there is insufficient evidence either way ...... if so that lawsuit should be thrown out, and they should bring it again with correct facts.
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PureIsle wrote: Tue Jan 18, 2022 7:45 pm I wonder if there is any data on the efficacy of Ivermectin in that jail :D



My understanding is that at least one of those has said there is insufficient evidence either way ...... if so that lawsuit should be thrown out, and they should bring it again with correct facts.
credible medical professionals, the FDA, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, all agree is not an effective treatment against COVID-19," the lawsuit says.

Plenty of credible medical professionals have said it is a vey effective treatment against COVID-19
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schmittel wrote: Tue Jan 18, 2022 7:51 pm Plenty of credible medical professionals have said it is a vey effective treatment against COVID-19
A doctor can't declare an unapproved drug to be an effective treatment for a disease AND be considered a credible doctor. The two are contradictions.

The NY Times article was better.
Detainees Sue Arkansas Jail That Gave Them Ivermectin to Treat Covid


For months, the jail’s doctor has promoted the drug, which health experts say should not be used to treat or prevent Covid-19.

Detainees at an Arkansas jail who had Covid-19 were unknowingly treated by the detention center’s doctor with ivermectin, a drug that health officials have continually said is dangerous and should not be used to treat or prevent a coronavirus infection, according to a federal lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union on behalf of four detainees. The four men — Dayman Blackburn, Julio Gonzales, Jeremiah Little and Edrick Floreal-Wooten — say in the lawsuit that after testing positive for the coronavirus in August, they were taken to the “quarantine block” of the Washington County Detention Center and given a “cocktail of drugs” twice a day by Dr. Robert Karas, who runs Karas Correctional Health, the jail’s health provider.

The complaint, filed this month in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Arkansas, says that the men took the drugs — which Dr. Karas told them consisted of vitamins, antibiotics and steroids — unaware that they were actually ingesting ivermectin, an antiparasitic drug commonly used for livestock that the Food and Drug Administration has warned should not be taken for Covid-19.

Dr. Karas, Sheriff Tim Helder and the Washington County Detention Center — all named as defendants in the lawsuit — did not immediately respond to calls and emails seeking comment on Monday.

The American Civil Liberties Union said in a statement that the jail had been giving ivermectin to detainees as early as November 2020. In August 2021, amid surging demand for the drug, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention warned that ivermectin was “not authorized or approved” for any type of Covid treatment.

Misinformation that ivermectin is effective at treating or preventing coronavirus infection has run rampant across social media during the pandemic, and the inaccuracies have led some people to overdose on certain formulations of the drug, according to the F.D.A.

Dr. Karas appears to have bought into the misinformation for months, saying in an interview in August that he used the drug himself when sick with Covid. He posted as recently as Dec. 24 on his practice’s Facebook page that he was using ivermectin to treat people with Covid.

“Guess we made the news again this week; still with best record in the world at the jail with the same protocols,” Mr. Karas said in a Facebook post on Saturday.

He added that “inmates aren’t dumb,” and that in the future other detainees would sue their facilities to request the “same treatment we’re using at WCDC — including the ivermectin.”

The lawsuit says the men “ingested incredibly high doses” of the drug while sick with Covid, causing some to experience diarrhea, bloody stools, stomach cramps and issues with their vision.

The U.S. Covid response. Americans will be able to order free rapid tests online from the federal government beginning Jan. 19. The latest effort to ramp up access to testing comes as the public’s opinion of President Biden’s pandemic response is lower than ever, according to a new poll.

“This is really beyond the pale that the F.D.A. and C.D.C. would warn against this treatment and that the doctor would prescribe it and administer it anyway — and do it without their knowledge or consent,” Ms. Dickson said on Monday.

The detainees could have refused the medication, but many did not because they believed they were taking approved and safe Covid treatments, Ms. Dickson said.

She added that after the American Civil Liberties Union began to raise questions about the practice last year, the jail tried to get inmates to sign forms saying that they retroactively consented to the treatments.

It was then, she said, that detainees began asking: “What is it that you’re giving me?”

“What we’re seeking is a declaration that this was unlawful, and they cannot continue to do this,” Ms. Dickson said.

The four men are also seeking evaluation by another medical professional, as well as reimbursement for legal fees.
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You'd want to keep up, "doctors" turned out to be quite a broad term in that letter :lol:

BTW would you consider public figures telling people that vaccination provided immunity to Covid and prevented them from spreading covid to be disinformation? Perhaps disinformation that should result in deplatforming?
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Banshee Bones wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:34 am You'd want to keep up, "doctors" turned out to be quite a broad term in that letter :lol:
Yes, indeed. I see what you mean.... :roll:

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  • Yevgeniya Sergeyenko, MD, MPH: Medicine Fellow, Emory University School of Medicine
  • Zainab Tanvir, MS: PhD Student
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In fairness though my 2 sons with PhDs love him so that cancels out 2 of those from my house alone 😝
Thinking out loud, and trying to be occasionally less wrong...
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Scotty wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:17 am Yes, indeed. I see what you mean.... :roll:

https://spotifyopenletter.wordpress.com ... o-spotify/



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"Only 87 of the signatories are medical doctors or doctors of osteopathic medicine, though, the conservative news site The Blaze found. Signatories include numerous nurse practitioners, veterinarians, a dentist, and close to 100 Ph.D.s and Ph.D. candidates.

Psychologists, physicians' assistants, medical students, an engineer, and a podcast host also made the list."


Oops Scotty Oops eh? :lol:

I see you avoided the question on whether spreading disinformation regarding covid vaccines providing immunity to infection and spreading of covid should result in deplatforming?

What do you think? Was it disinformation to tell people that?
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So now we're not counting PhD's as Dr.'s... lol... ok. :lol:

Whether they're doctors or not is completely irrelevant. They never claimed to be a list of doctors. That was FOX news or someone.

"We are a coalition of scientists, medical professionals, professors, and science communicators spanning a wide range of fields such as microbiology, immunology, epidemiology, and neuroscience and we are calling on Spotify to take action against the mass-misinformation events which continue to occur on its platform."

Banshee Bones wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:33 am I see you avoided the question...
Have you not copped by now that I never answer your questions? It's a discussion board. All you ever do is ask lazy questions. It's boring.
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The cope from certain vaccinated posters is stunning, it’s as if they are trying to convince themselves they did the right thing and are safe, but deep down they know they are in uncharted territory, no one knows the medium to long term effects of the vaccine, we only know covid is over and the unvaccinated are still alive without worry of what the future holds, unlike those with a mysterious substance running through their system doing God only knows.
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Samson wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:13 am The cope from certain vaccinated posters is stunning, it’s as if they are trying to convince themselves they did the right thing and are safe, but deep down they know they are in uncharted territory, no one knows the medium to long term effects of the vaccine, we only know covid is over and the unvaccinated are still alive without worry of what the future holds, unlike those with a mysterious substance running through their system doing God only knows.
I'm not trying to convince myself of anything neither do I have any worries about the vaccines. If you don't want to take them that's fine.

However if you want to worry about becoming a magnet then worry away.
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Large, peer-reviewed research study proves ivermectin works
Regular use of ivermectin as a prophylactic was associated with significantly reduced COVID-19 infection, hospitalization and mortality rates.

https://flccc.substack.com/p/large-peer ... arch-study
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From the study https://www.cureus.com/articles/82162-i ... e-matching
Due to the well-established, long-term safety profile of ivermectin, with rare adverse effects, the absence of proven therapeutic options to prevent death caused by COVID-19, and lack of effectiveness of vaccines in real-life all-cause mortality analyses to date, we recommend that ivermectin be considered as a preventive strategy, in particular for those at a higher risk of complications from COVID-19 or at higher risk of contracting the illness, not as a substitute for COVID-19 vaccines, but as an additional tool, particularly during periods of high transmission rates.
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