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Vaccine megathread

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Yesterday Denmark halted use of Moderna for people under 18
https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 021-10-06/

Today Finland pauses use of Moderna for people under 18
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/fi ... ce=twitter

Calling myocarditis a ''mild'' condition is a 2021 thing.
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It appears Spain might be experiencing an Ice Age presently, as they can leave Moderna Vaccines outside on pallets at -25°C .....

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Iceland stops the use of ALL Moderna Covid vaccine for all age groups.
https://www.visir.is/g/20212167101d/sto ... yrra-gagna
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According to The Irish Times:
The ESRI categorises one-fifth of the population as “socialisers” who visit a higher than average number of risky locations. One in eight people are classed a socialisers who rarely take precautions against infection.
Reading it I recalled a piece on Newstalk earlier in the week about easing of restrictions - some callers were very angry that the unvaccinated would soon enjoy the same privileges as the vaccinated.

So beware if you are classed as an "unvaccinated socialiser". I suspect that will not be the most popular classification in the parish.
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schmittel wrote: Sun Oct 10, 2021 10:29 pm According to The Irish Times:



Reading it I recalled a piece on Newstalk earlier in the week about easing of restrictions - some callers were very angry that the unvaccinated would soon enjoy the same privileges as the vaccinated.

So beware if you are classed as an "unvaccinated socialiser". I suspect that will not be the most popular classification in the parish.
I would advise all upstanding parishioners to order pitchforks early as supply lines are testy. Upside is that the flaming brands and fiery torchlit processions will ease the misery of winter blackouts.
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The ESRI categorises one-fifth of the population as “socialisers” who visit a higher than average number of risky locations. One in eight people are classed a socialisers who rarely take precautions against infection.
Gosh I recall being warned about 'risky' places in my youth but I doubt it was this general socialising that was in mind! :D

This looks very interesting should it pan out

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20211 ... hesis.aspx
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I hear Pat Kenny pontificating about the selfish unvaccinated taking up beds in hospitals with their ailments.
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kadman wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 11:50 am I hear Pat Kenny pontificating about the selfish unvaccinated taking up beds in hospitals with their ailments.
He is fomenting hate crimes. I have him on my list of people who went to the dark side. It is an individual choice what substances (especially novel substances in trials) one will have injected into one's body or not. How we have moved past that is incredible.
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isha wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 12:45 pm It is an individual choice what substances (especially novel substances in trials) one will have injected into one's body or not. How we have moved past that is incredible.
Is that not still the case?? When did we move past vaccination being optional?
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kadman wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 11:50 am I hear Pat Kenny pontificating about the selfish unvaccinated taking up beds in hospitals with their ailments.
Last time I listened to him he was on about 'the pandemic of the unvaccinated' and hinting that the unvaccinated should not even be treated in hospital.

I have not listened since.
IMO he is a very real 'bad egg' and the sooner he is permanently dumped from the airwaves the better for Irish society.
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Scotty wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:36 pm Is that not still the case?? When did we move past vaccination being optional?
I don't know if you have noticed but there are global vaccine mandates for many professions. In some countries like Lithuania vaccine mandate is universal, even for supermarkets. In Canada Trudeau will not rest until all are vaccinated, no travel, no flying, no jobs without a shot. Biden has no patience it seems. Italy is mandating general population - you cannot travel on a train or plane or attend any indoor space like museum etc. Israel will only give Green Pass if you have three shots now- and adverse reactions, no matter how grave, to first 2 shots will not permit exemption. Australia, France, England, Wales, Greece, etc mandatory vaccines for health care workers. In Ireland there have been exclusionary measures in place over summer for those not vaccinated. You might not have noticed if you were happy to go on inside for a bite while some were excluded. Etc etc.
The meaning of ''optional'' is being truly stretched worldwide. And it is all based around societal coercion rather than upon sound medical or epidemiological rationale, for anyone who is prepared to admit the truth. Vaccinated people still incubate and spread Covid, perhaps even more efficiently as they often feel quite well while carrying high viral loads.
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This raises a few questions about 'adverse' effects of the jabs .....
Taiwan death from COVID-19 vaccination exceeds death from COVID-19
https://medicaltrend.org/2021/10/10/tai ... Hz2_XZzz0o
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isha wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:49 pm ....., perhaps even more efficiently as they often feel quite well while carrying high viral loads.
How is that a problem if someone who is vaccinated and carrying a high viral load only comes in contact with people who are also vaccinated?

The issue is those who aren't vaccinated.
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The Continental Op wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 7:19 pm How is that a problem if someone who is vaccinated and carrying a high viral load only comes in contact with people who are also vaccinated?

The issue is those who aren't vaccinated.
I just deleted a long reply. I am weary of explaining against the tide of propaganda. Suffice it to say there are a multitude of good reasons why it is a problem. Only people who refuse to see cannot see that.
Start with one very obvious one - some very sick people cannot get vaccinated and some elderly people do not mount good vaccine antibodies no matter how much you inject them.
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isha wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 7:42 pm I just deleted a long reply. I am weary of explaining against the tide of propaganda. Suffice it to say there are a multitude of good reasons why it is a problem. Only people who refuse to see cannot see that.
Start with one very obvious one - some very sick people cannot get vaccinated and some elderly people do not mount good vaccine antibodies no matter how much you inject them.
So let the sick and elderly be treated by people who aren't vaccinated? That sounds a good plan but why then did most health care workers (all the ones I know and all the carers) get vaccinated?
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How would a health care worker vaccinated or unvaccinated be a danger to anyone, unless they had covid??
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Why are restrictions being reduced? Is it because no one has Covid?
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Unvacccinated may have it as well as vaccinated.
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The Continental Op wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:17 pm Why are restrictions being reduced? Is it because no one has Covid?
Because they do not

prevent infection
prevent illness
prevent death

That about covers it.
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Pat Kenny whining again this morning to Leo Varadkar, saying it's not fair if you lift all restrictions on 22nd October, why. should the unvaccinated be able to enjoy life the same as the vaccinated etc etc.

Leo pretty non-committal, that's something we'll have to take a look at based on NPHET advice etc.
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The Continental Op wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:17 pm Why are restrictions being reduced? Is it because no one has Covid?
The vaccine slashes the risk of morbidity and mortality that covid infection entails. If enough people get vaccinated, the risk of the healthcare system being overwhelmed shrinks drastically.
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ancapailldorcha wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:06 am The vaccine slashes the risk of morbidity and mortality that covid infection entails. If enough people get vaccinated, the risk of the healthcare system being overwhelmed shrinks drastically.
It reduces not ''slashes'' - and that reduction is quite strongly time limited - about 5 months at most. Israel experienced that very notably, which is why they mandated 3rd shots, and will mandate 4th. 70% of people who died in the UK in September were fully vaccinated. (I am aware of the ratios argument - ie even if fewer unvaccinated died they were more as a proportion of their population - but it is still undeniable that the injections do not work as hoped. And some of those unvaccinated cohort dying will be among the too ill to be vaccinated group).

The so-called slashing of morbidity/mortality does not apply equally across all age and health cohorts. The risk benefit equation for younger healthy people (I believe) is not clear at all. Younger people die very rarely from Covid. And by that I mean even under 50. I think mandating or even encouraging vaccination of a young cohort who experience significant risk of side effects, unknown risk of long term effects, but who weather covid extremely well and thus gain broad spectrum natural immunity is bordering on malevolent.

There are significant, I would say extraordinary, adverse events being recorded globally (and ignored) to the injections. Moderna has been suspended completely in Iceland, and stopped in all Scandinavian countries for under 30s. Astra Zeneca was stopped before that in several countries. Pfizer's day will come. My 26 years old child took Moderna - so I have some skin in the game in that I am concerned about the possible long term effects. We cannot know long term issues with any of the injections.

The health care systems being potentially over-whelmed is largely a function of lack of proper funding of health care systems and lack of adoption of early treatment. There are several molecules which show very good treatment potential - even aspirin, which has been shown to give an almost 50% reduction in mortality. https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellne ... ial-681127
Vitamin D is another potent tool. Fluvoxamine, melatonin, circumin, ivermectin - all have good observational and research results and yet the whole focus is on injections of a novel technology not yet out of trial.

Note - Uttar Pradesh, with a population of 240 million people densely packed in, an excellent test and trace system, had 20 cases of Covid yesterday. If Europe or America with about 1/3rd more the populations had 30 cases over the whole territories yesterday people would be on their knees weeping in the streets with relief. But instead this is almost universally ignored by the media and political class globally, as they are completely entrained by the pandemia fever.
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isha wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:49 pm I don't know if you have noticed but there are global vaccine mandates for many professions.
And rightly so. Should have been brought in years ago.
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isha wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:50 amI think mandating or even encouraging vaccination of a young cohort who experience significant risk of side effects, unknown risk of long term effects, but who weather covid extremely well and thus gain broad spectrum natural immunity is bordering on malevolent.
You have evidence of these risks? This reads like anti-vaxx nonsense. Vaccines only work with herd immunity, ie 95% have to get it to attain complete coverage once certain cohorts are accounted for.
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ancapailldorcha wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:02 pm You have evidence of these risks? This reads like anti-vaxx nonsense. Vaccines only work with herd immunity, ie 95% have to get it to attain complete coverage once certain cohorts are accounted for.
A non-sterilising vaccine will NEVER bring herd immunity.
Anti vax is just an easy meaningless slur.
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