Vaccine megathread

[PureIsle]

Maybe some day I will get through a lot of what is in this

https://totalityofevidence.com/excess-mortality/

Most of what is there I have seen/read before.
There might be something new for others.

[PureIsle]

I guess I never really got into the numbers of doses purchased so this came as a very unpleasant surprise to me






Now consider how little they knew about the contents of the injections and the limitations of the pre-marketing trials, and one must certainly wonder WHY?

[isha]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... via%3Dihub

Paxlovid, the miracle antiviral rushed out, at the speed of science, has been studied now by Harvard and other reputable place in the US and they are finding problems with clotting and interference with other cardio medications. Also problems re irregular heartbeat.

Abstract

Nirmatrelvir-ritonavir (NMVr) is used to treat symptomatic, nonhospitalized patients with coronavirus disease-2019 (COVID-19) who are at high risk of progression to severe disease. Patients with cardiovascular risk factors and cardiovascular disease are at a high risk of developing adverse events from COVID-19 and as a result have a higher likelihood of receiving NMVr. Ritonavir, the pharmaceutical enhancer used in NMVr, is an inhibitor of the enzymes of CYP450 pathway, particularly CYP3A4 and to a lesser degree CYP2D6, and affects the P-glycoprotein pump. Co-administration of NMVr with medications commonly used to manage cardiovascular conditions can potentially cause significant drug-drug interactions and may lead to severe adverse effects. It is crucial to be aware of such interactions and take appropriate measures to avoid them. In this review, we discuss potential drug-drug interactions between NMVr and commonly used cardiovascular medications based on their pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamic properties.

[isha]

I guess I never really got into the numbers of doses purchased so this came as a very unpleasant surprise to me






Now consider how little they knew about the contents of the injections and the limitations of the pre-marketing trials, and one must certainly wonder WHY?

I see this today. The EU Public Prosecutor says there is an investigation.



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[PureIsle]

No further details will be made public at this stage.

Makes me wonder yet again - when we might get more information.
Maybe sometime after the main 'players' have moved on to some lucrative jobs with pharma companies?

Yeah, I have really gone to the 'dark side' as I now do not believe anything said by 'our masters'.

[Setanta]

May be a small tiny skiver of good to come out of all this....mRNA vaccines for cancer,may be available in my lifetime

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/hol ... 73893.html


I hope it's not just the eternal optimist in me,but I've lost too many relatives and friends to cancer,(some to those named in that article,died awlfully),

I hope its beginning of the end,and that at least it may no longer be a death sentence

[isha]

May be a small tiny skiver of good to come out of all this....mRNA vaccines for cancer,may be available in my lifetime

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/hol ... 73893.html


I hope it's not just the eternal optimist in me,but I've lost too many relatives and friends to cancer,(some to those named in that article,died awlfully),

I hope its beginning of the end,and that at least it may no longer be a death sentence

Yes. And perhaps also mRNA treatments will be found for Multiple Sclerosis. Or Motor Neurone disease, or Parkinsons, a severe, disabling and rapidly evolving form of which my Dad died from. Most people who are already sick would be delighted to try a new treatment. I know my Dad would have taken literally anything. I hope the coercion and mistakes made with these mRNA treatments won't impede treatments for diseases with genetic therapies in the future.

[PureIsle]

May be a small tiny skiver of good to come out of all this....mRNA vaccines for cancer,may be available in my lifetime

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/hol ... 73893.html


I hope it's not just the eternal optimist in me,but I've lost too many relatives and friends to cancer,(some to those named in that article,died awlfully),

I hope its beginning of the end,and that at least it may no longer be a death sentence

Luke O'Neill is not someone whose opinion I place any value on .... not even a tiny bit.

IIRC, mRNA shots for use against cancer have been the main target of research for a long time.

Until they get better knowledge of the effects of interfering with our genetic makeup they should stop with the push for such solutions.

[knownunknown]

Makes me wonder yet again - when we might get more information.
Maybe sometime after the main 'players' have moved on to some lucrative jobs with pharma companies?

Yeah, I have really gone to the 'dark side' as I now do not believe anything said by 'our masters'.

I lost all interest when that story arose about operation Jenner in Spain. I bet had they similar investigations in other countries they would have found the exact same thing, such as Jose Maria Fernandez Sousa-Faro, the president of European pharmaceutical giant PharmaMar being charged with falsely acquiring a covid pass and paying large amounts of money to be injected with saline. How many of those photo ops had confirmed real vaccines in them? None that I saw. It’s like in a lottery you should show that everything is fair before making the draw otherwise it’s pointless.

[Setanta]

Luke O'Neill is not someone whose opinion I place any value on .... not even a tiny bit.

IIRC, mRNA shots for use against cancer have been the main target of research for a long time.

Until they get better knowledge of the effects of interfering with our genetic makeup they should stop with the push for such solutions.

I taught he was very good to explain quite broad concepts to public well,and of all the fellows rolled out to explain to public,the only one ya could imagine having the craic with.....

The genetic change deosnt particularly concern me,afaik every time yous get a cold/severe injury,it changes it....it would be great to see cancer being rolled back,it's one thing of few things,that terrifies me,your own body trying to kill you

[isha]

When the vaccines came out I listened with interest to a vaccine specialist and virologist called Geert Vanden Bossche who had previously worked for Bill Gates and had had a managerial role re Ebola preparedness in Africa.
I have probably quoted him way back.


He said lots of things but the thing that hit me hardest was him saying that non sterilising vaccines would put immune escape pressure on the covid virus which would cause variants in vaccinated populations and prolong the pandemic.

I didn't take the vaccine for 2 reasons - one, I didn't think they had proper long term longitudinal studies, and two, because of that statement by Vanden Bossche.

It made rational sense to me that if you didn't kill the virus as fast as possible in the host - preferably at mucosal entry points - then there would be mutations against non sterilising vaccine induced antibodies.

Vanden Bossche was made out to be an idiot, like everyone else who dared to say a word against the permitted narrative. And I'm sure he has been wrong on stuff because he is just one scientist and everyone is fallible.

Now Cell journal is publishing this study.

SARS-CoV-2 is a rapidly evolving RNA virus that mutates within hosts and exists as viral quasispecies. Here, we evaluated the within-host diversity among vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals (n=379) infected with different SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern. The majority of samples harbored less than 14 iSNVs. Deep analysis revealed a significantly higher intra-host diversity in Omicron samples compared to other variants (p-value < 0.05). Vaccination status and type had a limited impact on intra-host diversity except for Beta-B.1.315 and Delta-B.1.617.2 vaccinees, who exhibited higher diversity compared to unvaccinated individuals (p-values: < 0.0001 and < 0.0021; respectively). Three immune-escape mutations were identified: S255F in Delta; and R346K and T376A in Omicron-B.1.1.529. The latter two mutations were fixed in BA.1 and BA.2 genomes, respectively. Overall, the relatively higher intra-host diversity among vaccinated individuals, and the detection of immune-escape mutations, despite rare, suggest a potential vaccine-induced immune pressure in vaccinated individuals.

https://www.cell.com/iscience/fulltext/ ... edArticles

[isha]

This is such good news. New York Supreme court acknowledges mandates were used for compliance not as disease control and says all workers should be reinstated with back pay.

Edit this can and likely will go to appeal but it's a good sign... and the correct ruling in my opinion.

If I drank alcohol, I would be drinking tonight. Today is good! Happy Diwali!

[isha]

Wow, I feel kinda high with the news today. Man, it's been a sh!t time to have made personal choices.

[isha]

The professor who wrote this article - calling for an amnesty re pandemic bad behaviour - pushed vaccine mandates regularly on her media platforms and in publications. Including for young healthy university students and employees of companies who would and did lose their incomes/ education if they refused.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ss/671879/

She is getting her arse royally kicked for her teachable moment.

[PureIsle]

She is getting her arse royally kicked for her teachable moment.

and well deserved it is too!


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/you ... y-pandemic

[knownunknown]

The professor who wrote this article - calling for an amnesty re pandemic bad behaviour - pushed vaccine mandates regularly on her media platforms and in publications. Including for young healthy university students and employees of companies who would and did lose their incomes/ education if they refused.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ss/671879/

She is getting her arse royally kicked for her teachable moment.

The argument, “we didn’t know what we were doing, so we’re not responsible” reminds me of the argument made by Adolph Eichmann, a war criminal. He was responsible for organising the transportation of millions of Jews and others to various concentration camps. Hannah Arendt described it as the ‘banality of evil’. Can one do evil without being evil? Arendt found Eichmann to be ‘terrifyingly normal’, ‘neither perverted nor sadistic’. He acted without any motive other than to diligently advance his career in the Nazi bureaucracy.

Arendt concluded he performed evil deeds without evil intentions, a fact connected to his ‘thoughtlessness’, a disengagement from the reality of his evil acts. Eichmann ‘never realised what he was doing’ due to an ‘inability… to think from the standpoint of somebody else’. Lacking this particular cognitive ability, he ‘commit[ted] crimes under circumstances that made it well-nigh impossible for him to know or to feel that he [was] doing wrong’.

I notice that the author, Oster, isn’t calling for forgiveness because something was done wrong but is calling for an amnesty, a pardon.

Only one side were calling for others to lose their jobs, for others to be locked up in their homes. Only one side was calling for life saving surgeries and treatment to be cancelled for the dirty unvaxxed. Only one side was demanding and enforcing covid passes restricting free movement. Only one side were shouting “liar, disinformation’ when the immunity of the vaccine was challenged. Only one side was actively trying to censor the other.

How can she expect any forgiveness until some wrong has been admitted. In her own bio she admits to be ‘unapologetically data driven’ so I have no idea how she came to this conclusion below.

[isha]

I got a good bit of the way through Arendts book on Eichmann but I think I had read too many heavy books at the time and I needed a break. Must resurrect it from the pile.

I gave that Oster a piece of my mind on twitter but I think my reply is deboosted. Never mind, I said pretty much what you said as are so many others.

It has been a horrible time. People think us contrarians are thick skinned troglodytes but it is often not true. It has been very wearing and unpleasant. My dearest friend who is a good bit older than me has become temporarily unwell from the stress of her family and friends rejecting her decision very rudely over the past few years. She is in America where things are even more polarised. And she is the goodest person imaginable - it has been such a shock and heartbreak to her not to be considered to be allowed to exercise autonomy over her health choices. She has no regrets re the shots.

[PureIsle]

Arendt concluded he performed evil deeds without evil intentions, a fact connected to his ‘thoughtlessness’, a disengagement from the reality of his evil acts. Eichmann ‘never realised what he was doing’ due to an ‘inability… to think from the standpoint of somebody else’. Lacking this particular cognitive ability, he ‘commit[ted] crimes under circumstances that made it well-nigh impossible for him to know or to feel that he [was] doing wrong’.

If one were to take that assessment of Eichmann and use it to explain what has happened in the recent past, then one must conclude there are a majority of people with the same 'problem'.
I cannot accept that.
The majority do not lack that "particular cognitive ability" ....... or if they do then what else can be expected in the future?

[isha]

If one were to take that assessment of Eichmann and use it to explain what has happened in the recent past, then one must conclude there are a majority of people with the same 'problem'.
I cannot accept that.
The majority do not lack that "particular cognitive ability" ....... or if they do then what else can be expected in the future?

There's a person I read on this topic the very odd time and he disagrees with Mattias Desmets Mass Formation idea ( which is another possible explanation for the population level behaviour) - he thinks most were trying to protect themselves and their families from the overreach of the authorities. The idea is that compliant people sensed, perhaps unconsciously, the danger posed by an out-of-control government, and rationally went along with the program to avoid becoming targets themselves.
It's an angle.

That writer btw is cross with Oster but not overly so, and suggests there's no good in being white hot angry with people who are coming forward and saying they made mistakes. It's a point.

[schmittel]

She is in America where things are even more polarised.

I blame America for this whole sorry mess. They've allowed their society to descend into lunatic levels of themmuns and ussuns, largely thanks to the aftermath of the shitshow that was the Clinton vs Trump election.

Now every major subject has a dividing line and you're either for us or against us, with no room for compromise or common sense.

Throwing a pandemic into that cauldron was never going to end well.

Despite laughing at the Yanks during the Trump presidency and how stupid they all were, unfortunately for the rest of the world we swallowed their lead on Covid hook, line and sinker.

I genuinely believe that if America had not collectively lost their shit so much over Trump, a lot of the science around Covid, the response, masks, lockdown, vaccines etc would not be quite so "settled".

It would be debated. And permanently questioned. Like science used to be.

[PureIsle]

I blame America for this whole sorry mess. They've allowed their society to descend into lunatic levels of themmuns and ussuns, largely thanks to the aftermath of the shitshow that was the Clinton vs Trump election.

Now every major subject has a dividing line and you're either for us or against us, with no room for compromise or common sense.

Throwing a pandemic into that cauldron was never going to end well.

Despite laughing at the Yanks during the Trump presidency and how stupid they all were, unfortunately for the rest of the world we swallowed their lead on Covid hook, line and sinker.

I genuinely believe that if America had not collectively lost their shit so much over Trump, a lot of the science around Covid, the response, masks, lockdown, vaccines etc would not be quite so "settled".

It would be debated. And permanently questioned. Like science used to be.

It would be nice if the explanation for the USA behaviour was that simple. Unfortunately the narrative "you're either for us or against us" seems to be the default position in almost everything including their foreign policy.
So no, I cannot blame the election for the divide. It appears to be endemic.

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Apologies, when they even exist as most seem to be excuses, are just not good enough.
There was a concerted effort to mislead and coerce and bully people, not least those scientists who wished to discuss different scientific views of the situation and actions, lots of who were extremely badly treated.
Those were the people a lot of us relied upon to get alternate views and inform us so we could make informed decisions about our health.
I 'tip my hat' to the vast majority of them.
On that subject, this study might be of interest to some here

https://link.springer.com/article/10.10 ... 22-09479-4
or as a PDF
https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/1 ... 9479-4.pdf

No I will not be holding out a hand of friendship to those who foisted this upon us or who abused us for looking after our own health, especially those who abused their power.

[PureIsle]

This video says most of what I feel

[schmittel]

I have noticed recently a lot more critical remarks and observations on the vaccines over on the boards covid forums.

Just the sort of stuff that would have resulting in instant thread bans a few months ago. And now these posts are getting an abundance of thanks rather than warnings/bans. Threads still carry the same mod instructions - take your anti vax stuff to the CT forums etc - but by and large it looks like open discussion on the subject is allowed.

If even the mods on boards are waking up to the fact that the vaccines aren't all they were cracked up to be then maybe there is some hope people are finally coming to their senses!

[DeletedUser]

I have noticed recently a lot more critical remarks and observations on the vaccines over on the boards covid forums.

Just the sort of stuff that would have resulting in instant thread bans a few months ago. And now these posts are getting an abundance of thanks rather than warnings/bans. Threads still carry the same mod instructions - take your anti vax stuff to the CT forums etc - but by and large it looks like open discussion on the subject is allowed.

If even the mods on boards are waking up to the fact that the vaccines aren't all they were cracked up to be then maybe there is some hope people are finally coming to their senses!

Or more likely Boards is shite and the tinfoil hatter fucknuts who think vaccines are anything but a help are allowed free rein.

[PureIsle]

Or more likely Boards is shite and the tinfoil hatter fucknuts who think vaccines are anything but a help are allowed free rein.

Yet another whose default is to respond with derogatory name calling and apparently wishing to silent voices not agreeing with their own view.

It is sad that this is the level of response differing views get.