Vaccine megathread
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 6:27 pm
There are few vaccine threads largely arguing the same points. Use this thread for general vaccine chat. Thanks!
Reuters cant be trusted when it come to Covid and Vaccines, they are seriously compromisedGrowlerG wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:37 pm That means it's still effective just less effective with the new strain.
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/englis ... 021-08-03/
Not a bit against vaccines, i have had my fair share down the years, but i first want to know its tried and vigorously tested before i take it.
The lockdowns worked EXACTLY as expected. They slowed the spread of the virus which reduced hospital and ICU numbers accordingly. Nothing more, nothing less.
How's Sweden doing now compared to Ireland?
This attitude is now growing in the vaccinated, its a sense of "maybe there is some truth to the vaccine dangers, best to ignore and hope it is not true and just in case it is, it would be best if everyone got the vaccine so if it goes south we are all in it together".SeanCena wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:30 pm Just my 2c, there is a discussion, and then there is people offering an opinion being confronted by fake screenshots, hundred word strawmen, and hyperbole beyond belief. I dont report because everyone is entitled to say what they want, but it just makes me disengage - i don't have the will or time to engage with those who are so entrenched in their belief that nothing short of Death itself writing a post would open their minds slightly.
MOD NOTE: In future can you please post proper links to wherever you are getting this sort of thing from eg https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04470427 - thanksNotThatDevnull wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 10:20 pm Anyone not concerned is insane, still in trials, Thalidomide anyone?
Thalidomide? lol... that was 50 years ago buddy. Medicine has advanced just a little bit since then.
Its the most well know, but plenty of others.
But you're not letting them at it? You seem to spend every waking minute posting antivax nonsense. You've allowed yourself become consumed by it all. Get out and live a little ffs and let people make their own minds up.NotThatDevnull wrote: ↑Sat Aug 07, 2021 12:16 am ...some people just hope for the best with these vaccines still in the trail phase, let them at it, i will wait and see.
Have you seen some of the guff being posted? example: viewtopic.php?p=4919#p4919
Some people want to be led, they don't want to think for themselves, they don't want to hear any alternative to what they have been told and swallowed hook, line and sinker, they would rather remain ignorant than have to think.
Totally agree, present all the evidence and then i shall make a informed decision, lets be honest would you trust the chancers in FF/FG to make a major decision in any aspect of your life, yet people are trusting these same chancers with the vaccine.kadman wrote: ↑Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:37 am I have seen lots of guff as you say. And well able to make my mind up on what I think is guff and whats not guff, and what may not be guff, and worthy of a further look at. But tagging each and every post that I dont agree with " with ridiculous labels" does not open it up for discussion. Ridiculing someone for having different views does nothing for any in depth discussion on it. I am not in fear of what others think, they are entitled to think what they want..
I want the opportunity to sort the wheat from the chaff
This is a complex problem and simple answers don't cut it so well. For a start it's a coronavirus. Before it showed up there was no vaccine for coronaviruses in humans(IIRC there was one for cattle?). They're a harder nut to crack for vaccine makers and outside of SARS and MERS, which were contained, there had been no coronvirus of concern in the human population. Something like 10% of "common colds" are coronaviruses and that's a few days of a sniffle and snot overload. Vaccines for potential threats have no money in them so research was sidelined. SARS being a good example there.NotThatDevnull wrote: ↑Sun Aug 08, 2021 1:55 pm In Gibraltar, 99% of the population vaccinated; COVID infection rate climbs.
In Iceland over 75% of population vaccinated; infection rate climbs.
As we know Israel vaccinated to a high percentage of population while Palestine did not and look at he following graph
I love how the media and the Vaccine makers are referring to "Breakthrough cases" just a year ago we knew this as a Vaccine failing to do the job its supposed to do, the spin machine is working overtime in pushing this narrative, we shall see how many Breakthrough cases are reported in the coming months in Ireland, now if you really want to be shocked look into how Breakthrough cases in the USA are reported, in a nut shell if you get Covid and are fully vaccinated you are unlikely to be recorded as a Covid case. Keep a eye on Israel they record all new infections and the fully vaccinate are filling up the hospitals.Wibbs wrote: ↑Sun Aug 08, 2021 8:24 pm
So considering the above with covid in a hypothetical nation where every single person was vaccinated, you would still get breakthrough illness that in some may lead to hospitals or even death. Doubly so in the vulnerable groups or those who were vaccinated early and the efficacy has lowered over time.