Not Getting the Vaccine

[316670]

Are we allowed to discuss the reasons for not getting the vaccine or is that also taboo over here like on boards?

[dawg]

[316670]

Every day it seems its only a political decision to carry on with these Covid restrictions, how can they justify it when certain countries and several US states are fully open and their infection rates are lower than Ireland?

[kadman]

Vaccinated folk now think its game over for covid, and they are now free to return to totally normal living.

The fact that vaccination does not prevent you getting covid, and spreading it means complacency from the vaccinated
increases our risk.

I have dozens of elderly aunts and uncles, over 80, and my own parents 90 next birthday. And they all think they are now immune
since the second dose, and its life as usual. And why should they feel otherwise, they were all given the mantra, stay safe get vaccinated.

Social distancing for them is gone out the window, and at 90 years of age who blames them.
We dont hear much now on the media about serious side effects, but I hear about it in my locality.

I think todays youth paid an enormous price above and beyond what was fair, and now gramps and grandma are partying
because they got the jab. cant say I blame them

[Hairy-Joe]

I've a few thoughts on people not getting the vaccine

1. Some people have underlying conditions and under medical advice can't take the vaccine. Those people are relying on the rest of us to take the vaccines to stop the spread of the virus in the "wild". That's one of the reasons I took the vaccine, for those who can't (having friends with serious medical conditions focuses the mind a bit).

2. I know of some pregnant mothers who didn't take it. That's understandable as there has been very little published on pregnant mothers and the vaccine.

3. There are some who have genuine concerns about taking medication in general. Given the accelerated approval process, that's understandable but there's new data published all the time by the EMA and FDA on the vaccines. They should keep an eye on these two organisations for new data.

4. There are people who's idea of research is Google. They are not doing research as most of what's online is not peer-reviewed research. Proper research is looking at peer reviewed articles (typically published in scientific journals or by regulatory bodies). Looking at peer reviewed is what you need otherwise how do you know what you are reading is accurate and true? They need to read the documentation from EMA & FDA and not read potentially biased articles.

5. The people who "research" off Facebook (other social media are available). They are fools swallowing any unproven claptrap given to them. They are fools in my opinion for swallowing that claptrap. Sure I can put up a piece on Facebook saying that blue onions give your socks cancer and there's no way of knowing if I'm telling porkies....

[Diamonds of Frost]

Have a number of posts here been deleted?

[Diamonds of Frost]

Oh. No the posts were over on AH.

Nothing to see here move along etc etc don't post while drinking etc

[Citylights]

coming to an ireland near you , where will the madness end .

[GrowlerG]

Are we allowed to discuss the reasons for not getting the vaccine or is that also taboo over here like on boards?

What specifically do you want to want to discuss.

[GrowlerG]

coming to an ireland near you , where will the madness end..

Do you mean random stuff on Twitter or the principle of actual vaccinations.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/health/immunisat ... choolprog/

[Citylights]

Yes, what was your point? it is great we live in a democracy , so we choose to take , were any of those vaccines forced on anybody & i don't remember anyone being told they will ousted from life and discriminated against, or the government trying to divide a society over not taking any of those vaccines.

[kadman]

Irony perhaps, but that vid brings this to mind,

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

[GrowlerG]

Yes, what was your point? it is great we live in a democracy , so we choose to take , were any of those vaccines forced on anybody & i don't remember anyone being told they will ousted from life and discriminated against, or the government trying to divide a society over not taking any of those vaccines.

Democracy doesn't mean you have free will to do what you want. There are lots of rules in a democracy.

It's not uncommon if you are illl or infectious to be asked avoid other people.

[GrowlerG]

Irony perhaps, but that vid brings this to mind,

What in that speech brings that to mind...

[kadman]

What in that speech brings that to mind...

Well the fact that from a people who were the victims of most horrific persecution through out their history ,
that they now encourage the persecution of segments of their very own society , for whatever reasons.
The persecuted, are now becoming the persecuters... they are encouraging fear of a section within their own society.
I wonder where that happened before

thats all..

[GrowlerG]

So actually ARE equating the Holocaust with the vaccine. Wow.

[kadman]

So actually ARE equating the Holocaust with the vaccine. Wow.

No you are.

I am equating with the persecution of groups for being different, through their beliefs for whatever reason.
Religion, race,colour creed........

I dont hold the view that anyone should be vilified for choosing to be different

[GrowlerG]

You're equating minor inconvenience with persecution. It's also, unless you've a genuine reason for not being vaccinated, an inconvenience that that you've chosen through personal choice. If you have personal choice, that is not persecution.

Democracy is majority rule. You don't have to accept that either.

[kadman]

You are equating minor inconvenience as you see it, with my right to choose. Whether or not genuine reasons come into it or not, as i clearly do not have to explain that to you.
Inconvenience or persecution depends on which end of it you are on.
The fact that democratic choice might chose force to vaccinate, sort of loses its democratic voice.
At the moment we are governed by consent, not force thankfully.

[kadman]

I suspect these poor souls would regard their forced vaccination as slightly more than a minor inconvenience.

The illness known as Gulf war syndrome looks likely to have been caused by an illegal vaccine "booster" given by the Ministry of Defence to protect soldiers against biological weapons, according to the results of a new series of tests.

Scientists in the United States found that symptoms of the illness were the same for service personnel who received the injections whether or not they served in the Gulf.

The common factor for the 275,000 British and US veterans who are ill appears to be a substance called squalene, allegedly used in injections to add to their potency. Such an action would have been illegal. Squalene is not licensed for use on either side of the Atlantic because of potential side effects.

Pam Asa and her team at the Tulane medical school in Louisiana tested more than 300 former US military personnel who were given vaccinations to go to the Gulf: 95% tested positive for squalene antibodies.

In addition veterans from both sides of the Atlantic were tested, including 20 who were given preparatory injections but who did not go to the war. All 20 tested positive to squalene antibodies.

The first non-deployed British sufferer to be tested, Anwen Humphreys, was also found to have antibodies.

Dr Asa said in her view the fact that even non-deployed veterans were testing positive for squalene provided conclusive evidence that vaccinations were a "major cause" of the condition. It ruled out the alternative environmental theories floated as causes of Gulf war syndrome.

"I believe that those people who were given vaccinations in the US and the UK were given something they should not have been, probably in the anthrax vaccine. [The results] need a thorough examination by the US and UK governments."

[GrowlerG]

You are equating minor inconvenience as you see it, with my right to choose. Whether or not genuine reasons come into it or not, as i clearly do not have to explain that to you.
Inconvenience or persecution depends on which end of it you are on.
The fact that democratic choice might chose force to vaccinate, sort of loses its democratic voice.
At the moment we are governed by consent, not force thankfully.

You are still equating Democracy with free from all rules. That's not Democracy. Democracy has rules.

You are still not being persecuted if YOU are choosing to not get vaccinated.

[kadman]

You are still equating Democracy with free from all rules. That's not Democracy. Democracy has rules.

You are still not being persecuted if YOU are choosing to not get vaccinated.

I am not being persecuted to chose not to get vaccinated. But those seeking to get me vaccinated by force would be persecuting me.

[schmittel]

You are still equating Democracy with free from all rules. That's not Democracy. Democracy has rules.

You are still not being persecuted if YOU are choosing to not get vaccinated.

Long may that continue in Ireland. Judging by that speech above, assuming the translation is correct, that does not seem to be the case in Israel.

I can handle the discrimination against non vaccinated, but there is a whiff of coercion off the Israeli approach.

[GrowlerG]

I suspect these poor souls would regard their forced vaccination as slightly more than a minor inconvenience.

They might have found a gas attack slightly more inconvenient.

But a vaccine against gas attack is quite a bit different from one for a highly contagious disease that has caused a pandemic. IMO its disingenuous to equate them.

[GrowlerG]

Long may that continue in Ireland. Judging by that speech above, assuming the translation is correct, that does not seem to be the case in Israel.

I can handle the discrimination against non vaccinated, but there is a whiff of coercion off the Israeli approach.

A "whiff of coercion" is not persecution. I assume unless you are in Israeli it doesn't effect you in the slightest.