Anyone still glued to this?

[PureIsle]

There's a lot of people in Russia who should hold their heads in shame for allowing this war to continue - influencers and people who are big names in the world of arts. sports etc should be calling for an end to this insanity if only for the lives of their own soldiers who are being sacrificed for the fascist loons who control the country. In the rest of the world the likes of the UN, America and China should be working to bring this to a speedy end. There's no chance of the Ukraine 'winning' the war and every chance that they will drag us all into World War.III and possible extinction.

Well Putin has been saying he wants to discuss an end to this since it began. There was an agreement within a couple of months between Ukr and Ru but that was scuppered by 'the west's' intervention.
Putin has continued to say he wants peace negotiations.

If the West wants peace why do they not call his bluff, if that is what it is?

It appears the West is intent on continuing this conflict, possibly 'to the last Ukranian'.

Maybe Orban will cause a shift during his presidency.

[PureIsle]

Lad,it's the same missile Russia has used throughout the conflict to hit Kiev, any images of missiles captured in Kiev since earliest days of the war are the same,

Do you have the expertise to distinguish what kind of missile struck the kids hospital?
Have you examined the video evidence of the missile to determine what kind it was?

Have you read how a member of the Rada stated clearly it was the responsibility of the Ukr military, not the Ru forces?

Or have you chosen to believe one set of propaganda over the other without proof?

They are a shower of fuckers,going about bombing children (any) hospitals,while claiming to hunt Nazis,leave them kids and sick people alone.

I do not believe that Ru forces deliberately target civilian hospitals or civilian structures not used by Ukr. military.
Definitely a building in close proximity to the hospital was struck by Ru. It was in use for military purposes. A substantial number were killed there apparently.

I have no doubt there are civilian casualties as there are bound to be when military targets are in close proximity to civilians. That happens on both sides.

How many kids died as a result of the strike on the kids hospital? 10 ... 20 ... 100?

[Setanta]

Do you have the expertise to distinguish what kind of missile struck the kids hospital?
Have you examined the video evidence of the missile to determine what kind it was?

Have you read how a member of the Rada stated clearly it was the responsibility of the Ukr military, not the Ru forces?

Or have you chosen to believe one set of propaganda over the other without proof?



I do not believe that Ru forces deliberately target civilian hospitals or civilian structures not used by Ukr. military.
Definitely a building in close proximity to the hospital was struck by Ru. It was in use for military purposes. A substantial number were killed there apparently.

I have no doubt there are civilian casualties as there are bound to be when military targets are in close proximity to civilians. That happens on both sides.

How many kids died as a result of the strike on the kids hospital? 10 ... 20 ... 100?

to distinguish what kind of missile struck the kids hospital?
Have you examined the video evidence of the missile to determine what kind it was?

There literally video still of it,same missile as what hit Kiev early in the war,

not believe that Ru forces deliberately target civilian hospitals or civilian structures not used by Ukr. military.

Whether they meant it or not is immaterial,they've bombed a hospital,even if it was a training camp for Ukrainians army,don't bomb a hospital,there's plethora of places to target troops,leave hospitals alone imo

How many kids died as a result of the strike on the kids hospital? 10 ... 20 ... 100?

Likely a few hundred, Ukraine is lying about it's civilan death has been since earliest days of war,keeping them deliberately low to stop support collapsing

[PureIsle]

There literally video still of it,same missile as what hit Kiev early in the war,

From reports I read there are strong views that it was a NASAM 'defence' missile that was caught on video. From the inexpert comparison I can make it sure looks like one.
Norway supplied such weapons I think.

I hope you are not referencing one of the previous occasions that a Ukr defence missile went awry! There were several such incidents. Apparently the Ukrs were blaming it on the supply of old weaponry.

Whether they meant it or not is immaterial,they've bombed a hospital,even if it was a training camp for Ukrainians army,don't bomb a hospital,there's plethora of places to target troops,leave hospitals alone imo

Another view would be - do not install military installations next to civilian infrastructure.
How you expect either side to avoid accidents is quite beyond me.


BTW I am inclined to believe that the cause of the death & injuries on Sevastopol beach was due to Ru intercepting a Ukr missile meant for a military target.
No doubt Ru. did not intent that to happen - it was an 'accident'.

Likely a few hundred, Ukraine is lying about it's civilan death has been since earliest days of war,keeping them deliberately low to stop support collapsing

So they are lying again when they say no kids were killed?
Maybe they will find a few hundred somewhere and make this look even worse.
It must be upsetting for them to have a member of the Rada blame the Ukr military though.

BTW I would not like to be in the shoes of whoever it was that released the video of the missile ..... doing so warrants a jail sentence in Ukr these days.

[Setanta]

From reports I read there are strong views that it was a NASAM 'defence' missile that was caught on video. From the inexpert comparison I can make it sure looks like one.
Norway supplied such weapons I think.

I hope you are not referencing one of the previous occasions that a Ukr defence missile went awry! There were several such incidents. Apparently the Ukrs were blaming it on the supply of old weaponry.



Another view would be - do not install military installations next to civilian infrastructure.
How you expect either side to avoid accidents is quite beyond me.


BTW I am inclined to believe that the cause of the death & injuries on Sevastopol beach was due to Ru intercepting a Ukr missile meant for a military target.
No doubt Ru. did not intent that to happen - it was an 'accident'.



So they are lying again when they say no kids were killed?
Maybe they will find a few hundred somewhere and make this look even worse.
It must be upsetting for them to have a member of the Rada blame the Ukr military though.

BTW I would not like to be in the shoes of whoever it was that released the video of the missile ..... doing so warrants a jail sentence in Ukr these days.

Another view would be - do not install military installations next to civilian infrastructure.
How you expect either side to avoid accidents is quite beyond me.

Under no circumstances is attacking a hospital ok....there's plenty of other opportunities to wage war,no mind bombing hospitals,it was 3 this week bombed in the ukraine

Sevastopol beach

This was a cluster bomb attack,brought to people by Biden supplied weapons,banned under Dublin convention

they are lying again when they say no kids were killed

Id imagine so....they've been lying throughout this war,entire apartment blocks and villages leveled,they claim 2 men and a dog killed.....I don't believe it for a second tbh

[Setanta]

Difficult week for Russia interests.... Ukrainian special forces destroy a brigade of Wagner in Africa and it's infantry invade part of Russia


Wonder will Ukraine be sanctioned for this invasion,or will it be cheered on by now incapable of critical taught establishment hacks,in the west.

[PureIsle]

It continues to get difficult for Ru.
Cracks are becomming apparent in the command structure which has to be the cause of a lack of prepared defences along parts of the border.
There can be no excuse for this.
More heads will surely roll.

[Setanta]

It continues to get difficult for Ru.
Cracks are becomming apparent in the command structure which has to be the cause of a lack of prepared defences along parts of the border.
There can be no excuse for this.
More heads will surely roll.

Strong strong potential this war will spill over into Belarus (remember leftists on planks laughing at this suggestion),where an unpopular politican is propped up by Russia.....an Ukrainian attack on Belarus with a stalling front line in east, is a strong possibility, particularly with the tens of thousands of Armenians trained up by Ukraine,and the difficulties between armenia and Belarus


It would remove a northern front from Ukraine,provide greater security to Kiev,and allow future resources to be moved eastwards surely

[PureIsle]

Strong strong potential this war will spill over into Belarus (remember leftists on planks laughing at this suggestion),where an unpopular politican is propped up by Russia.....an Ukrainian attack on Belarus with a stalling front line in east, is a strong possibility, particularly with the tens of thousands of Armenians trained up by Ukraine,and the difficulties between armenia and Belarus


It would remove a northern front from Ukraine,provide greater security to Kiev,and allow future resources to be moved eastwards surely

I expect Belarus has the military capability to deal with anything Ukr. can afford to commit to a strike on Belarus. Reports indicate that Belarus has moved tanks etc. to that border region.

I expect the Ukr incursion into Ru will be pushed back soon, probably with large losses of well trained troops, somewhat similar to the Ukr 'great offensive' that failed to provide any real gains.

I read some claims that Ukr had used some form of chemical weapon in their Kurst action. I wonder if there is any truth in that - have you heard of anything like that?

[Setanta]

I expect Belarus has the military capability to deal with anything Ukr. can afford to commit to a strike on Belarus. Reports indicate that Belarus has moved tanks etc. to that border region.

I expect the Ukr incursion into Ru will be pushed back soon, probably with large losses of well trained troops, somewhat similar to the Ukr 'great offensive' that failed to provide any real gains.

I read some claims that Ukr had used some form of chemical weapon in their Kurst action. I wonder if there is any truth in that - have you heard of anything like that?

Belarus is propped up by Russia,with an unpopular enough president....a civil war there,would make the eastern front of Ukraine look like a Sunday picnic,and potentially destabilise eastern Europe for a generation


I don't think anyone expects anything other than large scale loss of Ukrainian troops,and those responsible should be held responsible,for releasing trained killers into a civilan area.....there's been credible claims of chemical weapons with months from both sides,no reason to believe they aren't being used now

[PureIsle]

Well worth a read, IMO.

https://strategic-culture.su/news/2024/ ... -in-kursk/

[Setanta]

This war,has even by its standards,taken an absolutely brutal upsurge in violence and bloodletting

Ukraine still occuping parts of Russia, seemingly free from sanctions for doing so ,while Russia has minced and taken aim at long hanging fruit with missiles, devastating Ukraine, military and economic infrastructure (several attacks suggest either high level spies or completely compromised Ukrainian communications)....while advancing across the Donbas front,with it's biggest concern being,why Ukraine is more willing to adbandon positions than before (setting trap?)



Ukraine responds with dropping cluster and phosphorus onto russian troops in trenches.......the lunatics have well and truly taken over the asylum,it should never come to this,2 million Ukrainian casualties,and no end in sight or realistic prospect of outside professional soldiers coming to help them

[Setanta]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... ims-report

Remember when leftists on planks,used to block/mass report,abuse,get banned and harass anyone pointing out Russia had no stragedic reason to bomb it's pipeline and didn't fit the 3 basic criteria of means,motive and opportunity


Commonsense went out the window,and propaganda,which wasn't allowed be questioned was order of the day,by the pro-ukraine hypocrites,will this cause a moment of reflection,or will they continue to blindly accept any propaganda spoonfed to them uncritically and then have to try explain away the lies they pedalled for likes

[Setanta]

Russian pincer movement cuts into rear of the Ukrainian invasion of kursk,and captures/wipes out a drone operator unit


Zelensky is a POS sending them fellows to certain death,for no stragedic military value,only PR for nafo clowns..... they've lost a clatter of MLR and HIMAR vehicles and the Donbas front is collapsing

[Setanta]

Terrible situation developing in ugledar, thousand plus Ukrainian troops encircled and no way out for them.....it's now or never for Ukraine to deploy it's f-16s

[Setanta]

Terrible situation developing in ugledar, thousand plus Ukrainian troops encircled and no way out for them.....it's now or never for Ukraine to deploy it's f-16s

It's fallen after 10 years.....they left those men to be slaughtered or captured and done nothing with the snazzy fighter jets to help their men

Ukraine deosnt seem to have any measurable military stragedy or defensive capabilities left in most parts of the Donbas front, they've essentially adbandoned their troops there,and stopped sending arms and replacements to there,while not withdrawing war weary, worn-out troops either.... arguably as immoral as the russian meat-waves