US Bio Labs

[316670]

Lot of evidence of these labs, could they be a reason for the Russian "Special operations"?
Details where on the website of the US embassy in Ukraine , it was removed but not before it was archived
Removed files from US embassy website in Ukraine
https://web.archive.org/web/20170130193 ... iv-eng.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20210511164 ... sk-eng.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20170221125 ... sk-eng.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20210506053 ... sa-eng.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20170221125 ... sk-eng.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20170207122 ... et-eng.pdf

Russians confirm the Bio-Labs are real


So does China


A internet sleuth was on the case from the start of the "special operations" where they onto something now that these labs are confirmed to be real?
https://web.archive.org/web/20220224195 ... 57602.html

Russia has stated they will release more info, this could be huge.

[schmittel]

[316670]

Its all changed from ZERO Bio-Labs to the USA admitting they are real.
The full exchange is a doozy

[316670]

Its not going to go away, this story is growing.
China demands answers from US for ‘26 biolabs in Ukraine’
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/china ... e-/2528207

[kadman]

Outsourcing their dirty work. Russia are probably doing the same thing. If one side is at it you can be sure the other side is also at it.

When I see all this I start to understand why the human race is fcuked when people and countries in power are at this.

[kadman]

So who put the labs there in the first place, and what the hell do they want with that type of weapon. I assume Russia did not pop across the border a few years ago and build them.

[isha]

Until US Under Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, Victoria Nuland, acknowledged these labs it was only mad bad people online who mentioned them. Metabiota is the useful word to search in Twitter, and you will see how people have spoken of this for months.

[kadman]

So NotThatDevNull is not the fruit loop he has been painted on here for bring us this biolab news.
And why is the US involvement in these labs not mainstream news in the western media

[schmittel]

Every time I hear or see Nuland all that comes into my head is her words to another US diplomat back in 2014 when they were deciding on the the shape of the replacement government for the overthrown Putin government - Fook The EU!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co ... 079957.amp

Nuland has blood on her hands, no doubt about it.

[isha]

Nuland has blood on her hands, no doubt about it.

I confess to never really listening properly to that recording before. I knew the fcuk the EU part had been said but listening now I am struck by just how deeply the US inserted itself into regime change in Ukraine. Right down to yaying or naying specific government personnel. It's kind of mad.

[isha]

And rereading what I wrote there I hope there are no Freudians in the house

[kadman]

US interests areway above and beyond anyone else's interests, and they never miss an opportunity to feck with the government of another country, by force or coercion its the same result for them. US interests benefit.

I read some where recently that the individuals supported by the US in Ukraines government were later found guilty of syphoning off money or something else.

[isha]

I think that goes for all imperialists. China are doing that to an enormous degree.
When I think of world politics I tend to think of it in sci-fi terms, like the opposing houses in the Dune books, fighting for control of spice. It's maybe childish, but macro history has that big over-arching narrative way of playing out - who wants what, and what is valuable. Etc

[316670]

The truth is starting to slowly creep out, remember BLM, what they said at the start, a lot turned out to be false, remember the beginning of Covid, a lot of that is now proven false, now we are at the beginning of this Ukrainian/Russian conflict and already the lies are being exposed, expect more in the coming days/week/months, so don't go foolishly getting a pro Ukrainian/Anti-Russia tattoo.

https://mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/1803269/
The Americans have history with these Bio-labs, well worth a watch.

[316670]

Romney called out for his BS

[316670]

Silly Russians saying there are Bio-Labs in Ukraine working on dangerous pathogens, we would need a another source, preferably from the west, or we can disregard it as propaganda




Hold on a minute, you told us there was no Bio-Labs in Ukraine, never mind dangerous pathogens being studied at these non existent Bio-Labs.


-There are no biolabs in Ukraine
-There are no bioweapons in Ukraine
-There are Russian bioweapons in Ukraine
-***YOU ARE HERE***
-There are Ukrainian bioweapons in Ukraine that we were going to use on Russia
-There are Ukrainian bioweapons in Ukraine that we were going to use on (You), and that's a ---good thing.

[Del.Monte]

@ NotThatDevnull

You really need to find a new hobby.

https://www.bbc.com/news/60711705

[316670]

@ NotThatDevnull

You really need to find a new hobby.

https://www.bbc.com/news/60711705

I’d be embarrassed to post the BBC as proof of this being wrong.
Would appear many are drinking deep of the media lies, not surprising when you know the score.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

[isha]

Statement from US Government department yesterday

https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/R ... er-former/

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Screenshot of an example out of many earlier denials, see elsewhere in thread for other examples.

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[Hairy-Joe]

In Hoffman's "The Dead Hand" (a Pulitzer prize winner investigation into the fall of the Soviet Union and the nuclear arms left behind), there's a section on chemical weapons. The US had them long gone while Russia was adamant that the US had chemical weapons and "identified production sites". The only way of shutting the Russians up was to bring them to these "chemical weapons production sites". The sites were private industry pharmaceutical sites and the Russian inspectors couldn't believe they were completely wrong, even when in the bloody building.

Russia has form on believing their own lies.....

[schmittel]

In Hoffman's "The Dead Hand" (a Pulitzer prize winner investigation into the fall of the Soviet Union and the nuclear arms left behind), there's a section on chemical weapons. The US had them long gone while Russia was adamant that the US had chemical weapons and "identified production sites". The only way of shutting the Russians up was to bring them to these "chemical weapons production sites". The sites were private industry pharmaceutical sites and the Russian inspectors couldn't believe they were completely wrong, even when in the bloody building.

Russia has form on believing their own lies.....

The US has some pretty recent form of blaming their own truths on others - most often the Russians.

[isha]

In Hoffman's "The Dead Hand" (a Pulitzer prize winner investigation into the fall of the Soviet Union and the nuclear arms left behind), there's a section on chemical weapons. The US had them long gone while Russia was adamant that the US had chemical weapons and "identified production sites". The only way of shutting the Russians up was to bring them to these "chemical weapons production sites". The sites were private industry pharmaceutical sites and the Russian inspectors couldn't believe they were completely wrong, even when in the bloody building.

Russia has form on believing their own lies.....

I'm not sure I get your meaning in terms of this story. Yes, I agree with you that likely the Russians said the US has chemical weapons at the time you are talking about, when the Soviet Union broke up, and that they could not believe the truth even when shown that the sites they had earmarked as chemical weapons sites were not such.

But in this case there were many "fact checks" published, including by US officials, that it was false to claim that the US was involved in any laboratories in Ukraine.

The Russians said the laboratories were concerned with chemical and biological weapons. That has NOT been admitted at all. That - so far - is a propaganda claim.

But what yesterday's official statement says is that, in spite of repeatedly denying any hand, act or part in Ukrainian laboratories, the US in fact were significantly involved in 46 "peaceful" laboratories. (As an aside, peaceful is a weird word to use. )

46 US supported or financed chemical and biological laboratories in Ukraine is rather a lot.

Personally I would like an inventory done of ALL chemical and biological laboratories in the whole world, proving exactly what they are used for, because I think it is dangerous hubris for governments anywhere to fund scientists to perform any undeclared research, such as gain of function on viruses for example. I could be fined for dropping a piece of litter in the street ( which I would not do). But these blooming nontransparent labs can play God with all manner of things. Remember, only yesterday the Scientific Advisory Group for the Origins of Novel Pathogens (SAGO) officially reported to the WHO that further investigation was needed into the possibility of Covid being a biosecurity breach in a laboratory (one scenario they said should be kept in play among other possible origins).

[Hairy-Joe]

Just think of the US supported biological labs here in Ireland. Most are owned by US multinationals, the rest have IP tie-ins with US companies.

Hell I could probably get close to that number in Cork.....

[isha]

Just think of the US supported biological labs here in Ireland. Most are owned by US multinationals, the rest have IP tie-ins with US companies.

Hell I could probably get close to that number in Cork.....

I agree. Good point. But the US don't deny it about here. Why did they officially deny before re Ukraine using their fact checkers and even government statements? It makes me think there is a lot of lying going on.

Edited to add that the statement released yesterday was called ''Fact Sheet on WMD Threat Reduction Efforts with Ukraine, Russia and Other Former Soviet Union Countries'' and included the info re the 46 labs, which at least seems to me to indicate that the labs referred to in the statement are somewhat related to the title of the statement. That's not the same as medical devices labs or ordinary pharma labs in Cork.
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/R ... er-former/

Anyway to be honest I am not that interested in the dumb politics of all of this shyte that is going on in the world right now, it is kind of demoralising and demoralisation is nearly worse than the fear that has been engineered over the past few years. Still I do like to keep some kind of record of the facts as they emerge gradually in various stories. I find it interesting the way dominant or permitted narratives are allowed to shift over the course of time, how the simple passage of time is used by people in power to force amnesia upon citizens, how public opinion is manipulated via various nudge operations, censorship in the name of liberalism, various propaganda techniques, mass formation of public opinion. That is the part that interests me most at the end of the day - we are purposefully made to drown in information and yet at this time perhaps more than at any other time in history the truth is so elusive.