Anyone still glued to this?

[PureIsle]

There's a lot of people in Russia who should hold their heads in shame for allowing this war to continue - influencers and people who are big names in the world of arts. sports etc should be calling for an end to this insanity if only for the lives of their own soldiers who are being sacrificed for the fascist loons who control the country. In the rest of the world the likes of the UN, America and China should be working to bring this to a speedy end. There's no chance of the Ukraine 'winning' the war and every chance that they will drag us all into World War.III and possible extinction.

Well Putin has been saying he wants to discuss an end to this since it began. There was an agreement within a couple of months between Ukr and Ru but that was scuppered by 'the west's' intervention.
Putin has continued to say he wants peace negotiations.

If the West wants peace why do they not call his bluff, if that is what it is?

It appears the West is intent on continuing this conflict, possibly 'to the last Ukranian'.

Maybe Orban will cause a shift during his presidency.

[PureIsle]

Lad,it's the same missile Russia has used throughout the conflict to hit Kiev, any images of missiles captured in Kiev since earliest days of the war are the same,

Do you have the expertise to distinguish what kind of missile struck the kids hospital?
Have you examined the video evidence of the missile to determine what kind it was?

Have you read how a member of the Rada stated clearly it was the responsibility of the Ukr military, not the Ru forces?

Or have you chosen to believe one set of propaganda over the other without proof?

They are a shower of fuckers,going about bombing children (any) hospitals,while claiming to hunt Nazis,leave them kids and sick people alone.

I do not believe that Ru forces deliberately target civilian hospitals or civilian structures not used by Ukr. military.
Definitely a building in close proximity to the hospital was struck by Ru. It was in use for military purposes. A substantial number were killed there apparently.

I have no doubt there are civilian casualties as there are bound to be when military targets are in close proximity to civilians. That happens on both sides.

How many kids died as a result of the strike on the kids hospital? 10 ... 20 ... 100?

[Setanta]

Do you have the expertise to distinguish what kind of missile struck the kids hospital?
Have you examined the video evidence of the missile to determine what kind it was?

Have you read how a member of the Rada stated clearly it was the responsibility of the Ukr military, not the Ru forces?

Or have you chosen to believe one set of propaganda over the other without proof?



I do not believe that Ru forces deliberately target civilian hospitals or civilian structures not used by Ukr. military.
Definitely a building in close proximity to the hospital was struck by Ru. It was in use for military purposes. A substantial number were killed there apparently.

I have no doubt there are civilian casualties as there are bound to be when military targets are in close proximity to civilians. That happens on both sides.

How many kids died as a result of the strike on the kids hospital? 10 ... 20 ... 100?

to distinguish what kind of missile struck the kids hospital?
Have you examined the video evidence of the missile to determine what kind it was?

There literally video still of it,same missile as what hit Kiev early in the war,

not believe that Ru forces deliberately target civilian hospitals or civilian structures not used by Ukr. military.

Whether they meant it or not is immaterial,they've bombed a hospital,even if it was a training camp for Ukrainians army,don't bomb a hospital,there's plethora of places to target troops,leave hospitals alone imo

How many kids died as a result of the strike on the kids hospital? 10 ... 20 ... 100?

Likely a few hundred, Ukraine is lying about it's civilan death has been since earliest days of war,keeping them deliberately low to stop support collapsing

[PureIsle]

There literally video still of it,same missile as what hit Kiev early in the war,

From reports I read there are strong views that it was a NASAM 'defence' missile that was caught on video. From the inexpert comparison I can make it sure looks like one.
Norway supplied such weapons I think.

I hope you are not referencing one of the previous occasions that a Ukr defence missile went awry! There were several such incidents. Apparently the Ukrs were blaming it on the supply of old weaponry.

Whether they meant it or not is immaterial,they've bombed a hospital,even if it was a training camp for Ukrainians army,don't bomb a hospital,there's plethora of places to target troops,leave hospitals alone imo

Another view would be - do not install military installations next to civilian infrastructure.
How you expect either side to avoid accidents is quite beyond me.


BTW I am inclined to believe that the cause of the death & injuries on Sevastopol beach was due to Ru intercepting a Ukr missile meant for a military target.
No doubt Ru. did not intent that to happen - it was an 'accident'.

Likely a few hundred, Ukraine is lying about it's civilan death has been since earliest days of war,keeping them deliberately low to stop support collapsing

So they are lying again when they say no kids were killed?
Maybe they will find a few hundred somewhere and make this look even worse.
It must be upsetting for them to have a member of the Rada blame the Ukr military though.

BTW I would not like to be in the shoes of whoever it was that released the video of the missile ..... doing so warrants a jail sentence in Ukr these days.

[Setanta]

From reports I read there are strong views that it was a NASAM 'defence' missile that was caught on video. From the inexpert comparison I can make it sure looks like one.
Norway supplied such weapons I think.

I hope you are not referencing one of the previous occasions that a Ukr defence missile went awry! There were several such incidents. Apparently the Ukrs were blaming it on the supply of old weaponry.



Another view would be - do not install military installations next to civilian infrastructure.
How you expect either side to avoid accidents is quite beyond me.


BTW I am inclined to believe that the cause of the death & injuries on Sevastopol beach was due to Ru intercepting a Ukr missile meant for a military target.
No doubt Ru. did not intent that to happen - it was an 'accident'.



So they are lying again when they say no kids were killed?
Maybe they will find a few hundred somewhere and make this look even worse.
It must be upsetting for them to have a member of the Rada blame the Ukr military though.

BTW I would not like to be in the shoes of whoever it was that released the video of the missile ..... doing so warrants a jail sentence in Ukr these days.

Another view would be - do not install military installations next to civilian infrastructure.
How you expect either side to avoid accidents is quite beyond me.

Under no circumstances is attacking a hospital ok....there's plenty of other opportunities to wage war,no mind bombing hospitals,it was 3 this week bombed in the ukraine

Sevastopol beach

This was a cluster bomb attack,brought to people by Biden supplied weapons,banned under Dublin convention

they are lying again when they say no kids were killed

Id imagine so....they've been lying throughout this war,entire apartment blocks and villages leveled,they claim 2 men and a dog killed.....I don't believe it for a second tbh

[Setanta]

Difficult week for Russia interests.... Ukrainian special forces destroy a brigade of Wagner in Africa and it's infantry invade part of Russia


Wonder will Ukraine be sanctioned for this invasion,or will it be cheered on by now incapable of critical taught establishment hacks,in the west.

[PureIsle]

It continues to get difficult for Ru.
Cracks are becomming apparent in the command structure which has to be the cause of a lack of prepared defences along parts of the border.
There can be no excuse for this.
More heads will surely roll.

[Setanta]

It continues to get difficult for Ru.
Cracks are becomming apparent in the command structure which has to be the cause of a lack of prepared defences along parts of the border.
There can be no excuse for this.
More heads will surely roll.

Strong strong potential this war will spill over into Belarus (remember leftists on planks laughing at this suggestion),where an unpopular politican is propped up by Russia.....an Ukrainian attack on Belarus with a stalling front line in east, is a strong possibility, particularly with the tens of thousands of Armenians trained up by Ukraine,and the difficulties between armenia and Belarus


It would remove a northern front from Ukraine,provide greater security to Kiev,and allow future resources to be moved eastwards surely

[PureIsle]

Strong strong potential this war will spill over into Belarus (remember leftists on planks laughing at this suggestion),where an unpopular politican is propped up by Russia.....an Ukrainian attack on Belarus with a stalling front line in east, is a strong possibility, particularly with the tens of thousands of Armenians trained up by Ukraine,and the difficulties between armenia and Belarus


It would remove a northern front from Ukraine,provide greater security to Kiev,and allow future resources to be moved eastwards surely

I expect Belarus has the military capability to deal with anything Ukr. can afford to commit to a strike on Belarus. Reports indicate that Belarus has moved tanks etc. to that border region.

I expect the Ukr incursion into Ru will be pushed back soon, probably with large losses of well trained troops, somewhat similar to the Ukr 'great offensive' that failed to provide any real gains.

I read some claims that Ukr had used some form of chemical weapon in their Kurst action. I wonder if there is any truth in that - have you heard of anything like that?

[Setanta]

I expect Belarus has the military capability to deal with anything Ukr. can afford to commit to a strike on Belarus. Reports indicate that Belarus has moved tanks etc. to that border region.

I expect the Ukr incursion into Ru will be pushed back soon, probably with large losses of well trained troops, somewhat similar to the Ukr 'great offensive' that failed to provide any real gains.

I read some claims that Ukr had used some form of chemical weapon in their Kurst action. I wonder if there is any truth in that - have you heard of anything like that?

Belarus is propped up by Russia,with an unpopular enough president....a civil war there,would make the eastern front of Ukraine look like a Sunday picnic,and potentially destabilise eastern Europe for a generation


I don't think anyone expects anything other than large scale loss of Ukrainian troops,and those responsible should be held responsible,for releasing trained killers into a civilan area.....there's been credible claims of chemical weapons with months from both sides,no reason to believe they aren't being used now

[PureIsle]

Well worth a read, IMO.

https://strategic-culture.su/news/2024/ ... -in-kursk/

[Setanta]

This war,has even by its standards,taken an absolutely brutal upsurge in violence and bloodletting

Ukraine still occuping parts of Russia, seemingly free from sanctions for doing so ,while Russia has minced and taken aim at long hanging fruit with missiles, devastating Ukraine, military and economic infrastructure (several attacks suggest either high level spies or completely compromised Ukrainian communications)....while advancing across the Donbas front,with it's biggest concern being,why Ukraine is more willing to adbandon positions than before (setting trap?)



Ukraine responds with dropping cluster and phosphorus onto russian troops in trenches.......the lunatics have well and truly taken over the asylum,it should never come to this,2 million Ukrainian casualties,and no end in sight or realistic prospect of outside professional soldiers coming to help them

[Setanta]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... ims-report

Remember when leftists on planks,used to block/mass report,abuse,get banned and harass anyone pointing out Russia had no stragedic reason to bomb it's pipeline and didn't fit the 3 basic criteria of means,motive and opportunity


Commonsense went out the window,and propaganda,which wasn't allowed be questioned was order of the day,by the pro-ukraine hypocrites,will this cause a moment of reflection,or will they continue to blindly accept any propaganda spoonfed to them uncritically and then have to try explain away the lies they pedalled for likes

[Setanta]

Russian pincer movement cuts into rear of the Ukrainian invasion of kursk,and captures/wipes out a drone operator unit


Zelensky is a POS sending them fellows to certain death,for no stragedic military value,only PR for nafo clowns..... they've lost a clatter of MLR and HIMAR vehicles and the Donbas front is collapsing

[Setanta]

Terrible situation developing in ugledar, thousand plus Ukrainian troops encircled and no way out for them.....it's now or never for Ukraine to deploy it's f-16s

[Setanta]

Terrible situation developing in ugledar, thousand plus Ukrainian troops encircled and no way out for them.....it's now or never for Ukraine to deploy it's f-16s

It's fallen after 10 years.....they left those men to be slaughtered or captured and done nothing with the snazzy fighter jets to help their men

Ukraine deosnt seem to have any measurable military stragedy or defensive capabilities left in most parts of the Donbas front, they've essentially adbandoned their troops there,and stopped sending arms and replacements to there,while not withdrawing war weary, worn-out troops either.... arguably as immoral as the russian meat-waves

[knownunknown]

Just saw an interview with Zelenskyy where he was asked would he agree to a ceasefire if the parts of Ukraine currently controlled by Russia are ceded to Russia and the rest of Ukraine joins nato.

He answers by saying it’s impossible to offer such a deal to part of Ukraine and not all of Ukraine.

This war won’t end while he’s involved.

[Setanta]

Bad day for leftists and establishment hacks of Ireland who shouted down with years the obvious endpoint of this war,that it will need a diplomatic solution

Wonder are the inmates of planks still waiting for tanks and himars or whatever is latest yank propaganda to push Russia out,while ignoring mathatical reality, Ukraine simply hadn't enough manpower and needed professional outside assistance.....2 million dead later,the liberial agenda,decades in making,in tatters and Ukraine destroyed,just so they can shout pro-putin at anyone engaging in reality and wanting peaceful or realistic solutions...what a waste of lives


https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/2 ... -next-year

[jmayo]

Anyone that thinks that it is only Zelenskyy that is keeping this war going is really deluded.

I find it ironic how some are always trying to intimate that the war monger is Zelenskyy and once he is gone Ukrainians will gladly accept a huge, very economically vital, part of their country is given over to an invader.

Sometimes I wonder how some people's minds work.
They think that other peoples and other countries should accept terms that they would never want their own country to accept.
Ukraine is one example.
You find people who are vehemently nationalistic about Ireland and Irish unification pontificate that Ukrainians should accept a chunk of their country being given away precisely because they are not fans of those backing Ukraine (i.e. NATO, US, UK) and are fans of the aggressor.

There are a fair few who are so anti US, UK and NATO that they will always find a reason to support aggressors against them.

[Setanta]

Russia leaking expectations of a Ukrainian offensive in mid January..... fighting has slowed down,but huge influxes of modern tanks and troops carriers into Ukraine since mid November from across Europe,the missile strikes into Russia have stopped since Russia fired it's new weapon into Ukraine

But,new medium to long range missiles have been arriving,but haven't been used

An entire squadron of fighter jets has been delivered since September,but hasn't been used,an entire army's worth of troops has been trained,and only deployed behind the front with minimal troops numbers to maintain positions




Zelensky is out talking peace,while his new generals have conceded difficult to defend ground, relatively easily,since last June on a near weekly basis...while killing huge numbers of Russian troops in other positions


,I remain skeptical of them being able to make a decisive change though,as the area they need to retake is huge,but with air superiority or even parity,it should surely go better than the initial weeks of the last offensive?

[knownunknown]

Anyone that thinks that it is only Zelenskyy that is keeping this war going is really deluded.

I find it ironic how some are always trying to intimate that the war monger is Zelenskyy and once he is gone Ukrainians will gladly accept a huge, very economically vital, part of their country is given over to an invader.

Sometimes I wonder how some people's minds work.
They think that other peoples and other countries should accept terms that they would never want their own country to accept.
Ukraine is one example.
You find people who are vehemently nationalistic about Ireland and Irish unification pontificate that Ukrainians should accept a chunk of their country being given away precisely because they are not fans of those backing Ukraine (i.e. NATO, US, UK) and are fans of the aggressor.

There are a fair few who are so anti US, UK and NATO that they will always find a reason to support aggressors against them.

I find it ironic how some are always trying to intimate that the war monger is Zelenskyy and once he is gone Ukrainians will gladly accept a huge, very economically vital, part of their country is given over to an invader.

I know this to be true because I have spoken to Ukrainians about it here in Ireland. Not the ones fighting the war, the ones that have fled. They left their country because of the war, I’m sure they’d prefer to be living there without war, again I know this because they told me.

Had Ukraine ceded crimea(which is majority ethnically Russian anyway) to Russia this probably would never have happened, and even now if they accepted Luhansk and Donetsk as autonomous states they could still end the war.

No, fighting must continue, it’s not like we made the same sort of concession in our history.

[PureIsle]

The Ukrainian 'offensive' in the Kursk region has been harshly dealt with by the Russians. But they never learn apparently as there is talk of yet another try.
Thousands dying just to try to make a point for the incoming administration in the USA ... although I note the visit of Trumps man to Kyiv has been called off. I expect that was caused by the failure of the 'offensive' in Kursk.

The longer this conflict has gone one, the harder is the stance of Russia. Not surprising I suppose considering they have many dead and wounded. I would not now be surprised if in addition to the Donbas Russia moved further and took Odessa, giving them access to Transnistria, and maybe even Sumy, unless of course the USA calls it all off and agrees to 'no NATO for Ukraine' - ever!.

Ukraine would have lost no more than Crimea if they had finalised the agreement they came to within 2 months of Russia's intervention.
Of course it would never have got that far if Ukraine had upheld the Minsk agreement.
I would remind people that the Minsk accord was a means of stopping an Ukraine internal civil war, with France, Germany and Russia as guarantors.

One has to look no further than the USA for the reasons this present conflict happened. The determination to break apart Russia has been the basis for all USA foreign actions in Europe for decades.
Finally Russia decided enough was enough and so there is a war.

I would not be surprised to see not only NATO disband/collapse but there is a huge danger of the EU also going down the tubes within the next decade.
I have little doubt that the USA will keep the EU down, now that it has it near death economically, due in no small part to the present cost of energy and the wasteful support of the Ukraine project.

For those who might like a refresher on the actions of the USA in past decades this video should be of interest

[PureIsle]

Yankwashing: How the Empire Erases Truth

The U.S. doesn’t just rewrite history, it deletes it by design. The brainwashing is so thorough that Americans live in a constant state of historical amnesia, blind to their country’s failures, overstating its victories, and erasing the contributions of others. From 1812 to World War II, Vietnam, and Iraq, the truth is either reduced to a footnote or buried altogether. The result? A population that cheers for endless wars while clutching a false narrative of moral and military superiority.

Take the War of 1812. In Canada, it’s a cornerstone of national history: a David-and-Goliath tale where British and Canadian forces not only repelled an American invasion but marched into DC and burned the White House. Yet in American textbooks? It’s barely a footnote, and when it is mentioned, it’s Yankeewashed as a “draw.” A draw? The U.S. had every advantage: manpower, geography, and resources. Britain, preoccupied with the Napoleonic Wars, sent limited resources across the Atlantic, yet even with these constraints, British and Canadian forces decisively crushed the U.S. invasion. By 1814, with Napoleon defeated, Britain unleashed fresh reinforcements, delivering the final blows and marching into DC to burn the White House. But the empire prefers its citizens to believe their flag was heroically waving, not that it survived by begging for mercy.

WWII is another glaring example. The sacrifices of the Soviet Union are minimized to prop up the myth of America as the sole savior of freedom. Trump recently claimed that “70 million Soviets died to help the Americans,” which is absurd on many levels. First, the actual number is closer to 26 million. Second, the Soviets didn’t “help” the Americans, they won the war. The Red Army destroyed more than 75% of Nazi forces, fighting the Wehrmacht’s best divisions on the Eastern Front while the Allies faced second-tier troops - Hitler Youth and middle-aged conscripts in Normandy. But you won’t hear that in American classrooms, where D-Day is lionized and Stalingrad is an afterthought.

And then there’s Vietnam: a war most Americans couldn’t even locate on a map, let alone justify. The empire sold it as a crusade against communism, but in reality, it was an illegal invasion and occupation. Millions of Vietnamese civilians were slaughtered, their villages carpet-bombed, their land poisoned with Agent Orange. Yet many Americans still cling to the fantasy that they were the victims. The same script played out in Iraq, with fabricated WMDs and media cheerleading a war that killed a couple million civilians and destabilized an entire region. Americans still ask, “Why do they hate us?” as if the answer isn’t written in the rubble of Baghdad.

Meanwhile, the U.S. lectures its vassals about not paying enough into the NATO protection racket, demanding they spend 5% of GDP on defense. For what? What kind of return on investment does the U.S. get for its trillion-a-year defense spending? To be humiliated by rice farmers in Vietnam and terrorists in sandals in Afghanistan? No empire that loses to barefoot guerrillas has any business lecturing anyone about military spending. The U.S. military is the most pathetic, bloated, and overhyped force in modern history, a protection racket made in the image of Tony Soprano. History will remember the US as the accidental empire.

This brainwashing is no accident. The Deep State and its Mockingbird media allies have perfected the art of Yankwashing, crafting a narrative where the U.S. is always the hero, never the aggressor. The goal is to hide the truth and weaponize ignorance, to ensure the American public cheers for the next invasion, the next “intervention,” the next imperial adventure.

How long can an empire survive on a foundation of lies? Because as the multipolar world rises: Russia, China, the Global South - the truth is becoming harder to bury. History will eventually judge the United States not as a benevolent superpower but as a crumbling empire that burned the world while lying to its own people.

- Gerry Nolan

A rather caustic view of the USA and its history, close to the bone, but nonetheless truthful IMO.

[Setanta]

After dangling NATO membership in front of Ukraine with a generation,and sending bone of a million to die for it,and scattering their population to 4 corners of Europe


Turns out NATO wasn't so keen on it after all and have told Ukraine go f.uck a duck



A lesson to all uninvolved 3rd countries such as us,is to never give up nukes if you hold em

[PureIsle]

After dangling NATO membership in front of Ukraine with a generation,and sending bone of a million to die for it,and scattering their population to 4 corners of Europe


Turns out NATO wasn't so keen on it after all and have told Ukraine go f.uck a duck



A lesson to all uninvolved 3rd countries such as us,is to never give up nukes if you hold em

UA never had nukes of their own.
USSR nukes were placed there, and removed when UA got independence from Ru/USSR.
That was a condition of their independence.

I can only imagine what might be done with nukes if they were in the hands of those neo-Nazis with power in UA.

The lesson IMO is never to trust your national sovereignty to outside forces.
Unfortunately the EU appears to have done so!

My concern recently is that the death of NATO appears to be approaching, but the EU "defence force" is on a major push.
A rose by any other name is still a rose!