Anyone still glued to this?

[isha]

It is hard to understand how so many are and have been hyping up this disgusting vile war. It is hard to understand how getting a peace deal was not and is not the most important thing.

The world is not in a good state at the moment. I think most people are blotting that out because it is too hard to be real about the crazy crap that is going on in so many ways. Things are probably going to keep on getting weirder and worse.

But it is as it is. Nothing I think or feel or hope is going to change it.

[Hairy-Joe]

And some simpleton on Twitter wants advance notice so that they can leave Europe before the nukes start flying. Does the idiot really think the rest of the world will escape from a nuclear war? Too much time on their Xbox ....

Given the logic of some, I imagine they'll be givig out that they didn't get the "notice they are entitled to"

[Hairy-Joe]

We have learned nothing from history. The same thing that happened in world war 1 we are seeing again. This time though the disturbing visuals of people celebrating the latest kill and dehumanisation of the enemy as nothing better than animals I find hard to take and put up with.

I think that's the disturbing thing for society. We have the horror images of WW1 and the horror was expressed in poetry, etc. The horrors of the Spanish civil war was in Picasso's paintings. Now it's streamed live and people are numb and dull to it. It's just another channel to flick through.

[knownunknown]

I think that's the disturbing thing for society. We have the horror images of WW1 and the horror was expressed in poetry, etc. The horrors of the Spanish civil war was in Picasso's paintings. Now it's streamed live and people are numb and dull to it. It's just another channel to flick through.

It’s not a horror until it’s on one’s own doorstep. The generation that remember the world wars have just about gone, I mean really remember them first hand that were around to warn everyone of another one.

[CelticRambler]

All because of countries foreign policies that the proponents of, live in relative comfort and security. Where one side will not leave the other alone and bury their differences and have a relationship based on mutual respect for each other and guarantee the other that we will not seek to destroy or dismantle each other's countries.

And at the same time, some of the most blood-thirsty posters across the internet are constantly berating countries like Germany who essentially did bury old differences with Russia and start building a relationship based, if not on mutual respect, on mutual economic interest.

Still didn't stop Russia invading part of Ukraine in 2014, nor did it stop them trying to invade the rest of Ukraine in 2022.

[Setanta]

I bet this never happens and the west and nato never send missiles to Ukraine with which they can strike Russia. There’s a bold prediction for the thread! I think they’ve made this clear already umpteen times. The Us knew about this invasion before anyone else and was warning the world about it. The time to equip the Ukrainians was then.

Ukraine has struck russian soil on several occasions,arms dump don't mysteriously self combust.....it just suited both sides to not imply the obvious

Another 2 or 3 years of this war,and I see no reason it won't drag on as long (unless something drastic happens next spring/summer),neither side are gonna run out of arms anytime soon,and the pressure to bring it to a conclusion,could potentially see someone or the other deploy a nuclear weapon to break deadlock

[knownunknown]

And at the same time, some of the most blood-thirsty posters across the internet are constantly berating countries like Germany who essentially did bury old differences with Russia and start building a relationship based, if not on mutual respect, on mutual economic interest.

Still didn't stop Russia invading part of Ukraine in 2014, nor did it stop them trying to invade the rest of Ukraine in 2022.

It was NATO that warned Germany when they first started buying Russian energy. They were warned it could be used to hurt them just like the oil crisis from the seventies. They promised to never allow the amount they receive from Russia to exceed 10%. At the time of invasion it was over 50%. Are NATO bloodthirsty or not? Or were they trying to stop a situation like this occurring where Germany is hesitant to help defend a sovereign country because it relies on the energy of the aggressor who invaded another country.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... ord-stream

[knownunknown]

[Setanta]

Thank feck we're neutral and not involved/compelled into this war.....Russia may well over stepped the mark,but the longer it goes on,the more their claims about Nazis are hard to dismiss as propaganda

[Hairy-Joe]

Thank feck we're neutral and not involved/compelled into this war.....Russia may well over stepped the mark,but the longer it goes on,the more their claims about Nazis are hard to dismiss as propaganda

Well, the "SS" symbol didn't start with the Nazi. It was used and made popular, much the same as the swastika was.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sowil%C ... Nazi_usage

[KHD]

Thank feck we're neutral and not involved/compelled into this war.....Russia may well over stepped the mark,but the longer it goes on,the more their claims about Nazis are hard to dismiss as propaganda

You should check out the Ukraine On Fire documentary made by Oliver Stone. Gives a good overview and the main actors involved historically. CNN recently lost it's accreditation via the Ukrainian government for showing footage of a Ukrainian soldier doing a Seig Heil at the cameras. Totally ignored by the West as Russian propaganda but in reality, it is fairly widespread and you just need to look at the images on twitter, tattoos, old weapons, battalion names, streets named up to a few days ago named after Bandera.. I don't think it's an ideology like say National Socialism in Hitler's Germany at the time who wanted to take over all of Europe, its localised to Ukrainian Nationalism, all the more disturbing since Nazism and extreme right wing nationalism took a very big toll on the people of Ukraine and Bandera's massacres of Polish and Jewish people in the west of the country, which some people in Poland still hold Ukraine responsible for and would like their land back from Ukraine.

Also interesting with respect to western media reporting is that in 2014 period, major western media outlets were publishing articles about the Nazi problem and the rise of this phenomenon in Ukraine, but this all stopped when Russia invaded Ukraine earlier this year.

[Del.Monte]

Should be loads of fun when they are give EU accession, not that it will make much difference here as there will be more foreign nationals here at that stage than Irish people.

[Hairy-Joe]

Well, look at the extreme elements in France, Germany (those arrested today), Poland etc and you'll see a lot of similar behaviour with Neo Nazis, etc

[Setanta]

You should check out the Ukraine On Fire documentary made by Oliver Stone. Gives a good overview and the main actors involved historically. CNN recently lost it's accreditation via the Ukrainian government for showing footage of a Ukrainian soldier doing a Seig Heil at the cameras. Totally ignored by the West as Russian propaganda but in reality, it is fairly widespread and you just need to look at the images on twitter, tattoos, old weapons, battalion names, streets named up to a few days ago named after Bandera.. I don't think it's an ideology like say National Socialism in Hitler's Germany at the time who wanted to take over all of Europe, its localised to Ukrainian Nationalism, all the more disturbing since Nazism and extreme right wing nationalism took a very big toll on the people of Ukraine and Bandera's massacres of Polish and Jewish people in the west of the country, which some people in Poland still hold Ukraine responsible for and would like their land back from Ukraine.

Also interesting with respect to western media reporting is that in 2014 period, major western media outlets were publishing articles about the Nazi problem and the rise of this phenomenon in Ukraine, but this all stopped when Russia invaded Ukraine earlier this year.

The polish chap in work is from down and around Ukraine border,he said the worst killers in ww2 were Ukrainians who crossed border regularly to attack/massacre villages along border

That being said,they hold no real issue and have no complaints on refugees going there,even his village packed with em,few blokes in Ireland could learn a lesson



Whole thing seems a cluster feck of epic proportions,and the handwave away of concerns about that avoz regiment and the uncritical adulation they seemed to command in media should raise eyebrows of any reasonable person

[Del.Monte]

I still think the UN boss who described the whole situation as "absurd" is the only one to speak any sense but sadly the UN is irrelevant.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/2 ... in-ukraine

[KHD]

The polish chap in work is from down and around Ukraine border,he said the worst killers in ww2 were Ukrainians who crossed border regularly to attack/massacre villages along border

That being said,they hold no real issue and have no complaints on refugees going there,even his village packed with em,few blokes in Ireland could learn a lesson



Whole thing seems a cluster feck of epic proportions,and the handwave away of concerns about that avoz regiment and the uncritical adulation they seemed to command in media should raise eyebrows of any reasonable person

I've nothing against refugees coming from any war, its basic humanity.. what are they supposed to do ?. I see them everyday. That video represents what I think of the war in Ukraine. I will stand by it as it is well researched, gives the historical context and is verified at every turn. It shows the reasons why the war took hold in the first place. With regards to Neo Nazi activity in mainland Europe, there is no comparison to what has or is currently happening in Ukraine. There is no pretext or sane reason why Neo Nazism should be in anyway accepted in any circumstances no matter how expedient you think it is for pollical reasons or gain. None. Millions of people died to get rid of Nazism, both victims and soldiers on the battlefield, yet the majority of people have accepted that some forms of Neo Nazism are acceptable and can be ignored because it's proponents are helping us battle the Russians. I find it highly disturbing.

[KHD]

I still think the UN boss who described the whole situation as "absurd" is the only one to speak any sense but sadly the UN is irrelevant.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/2 ... in-ukraine

Mr Guterres should remember why the UN was setup in the first place.

Article 106 -> “Pending the coming into force of such special agreements referred to in Article 43 as in the opinion of the Security Council enable it to begin the exercise of its responsibilities under article 42, the parties to the Four-Nation Declaration, signed at Moscow, October 30, 1943, and France, shall, in accordance with the provisions of paragraph 5 of that Declaration, consult with one another and as occasion requires with other Members of the United Nations with a view to such joint action on behalf of the Organization as may be necessary for the purpose of maintaining international peace and security.”

The special agreements were never agreed between the USA, Russia, Great Britain and France.

[knownunknown]

Also interesting with respect to western media reporting is that in 2014 period, major western media outlets were publishing articles about the Nazi problem and the rise of this phenomenon in Ukraine, but this all stopped when Russia invaded Ukraine earlier this year.

Can’t watch the video as it’s age restricted. Of course what you’re saying is true but around this time there was a witch-hunt for nazis and racists in American media which lead to Charlottesville. There was a now debunked story that the azov had trained the tiki torch carriers in Charlottesville.

They did write about it but what they forgot to mention was that the azov are funded by a Jewish person, their president is jewish(zelenskyy) they are his best fighters and they fought valiantly for him fighting to protect Mariupol. They also are fighting alongside Israeli special forces as we speak. This nazi smear did indeed start in western media but it was pounced upon by Russia propaganda. Mostly it’s a load of crap. Like someone else said you can find nazis anywhere in small numbers if you look hard enough. This doesn’t mean the whole thing (in this case a battalion) are motivated by nazi literature, it’s just not true.

They surrendered when in Mariupol when told to do so, at risk of not being treated properly as POW’s, which Putin vowed to do, but since it seems there might have been a prisoner swap for them.

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/u ... anization/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/11/opin ... orism.html

[KHD]

Can’t watch the video as it’s age restricted. Of course what you’re saying is true but around this time there was a witch-hunt for nazis and racists in American media which lead to Charlottesville. There was a now debunked story that the azov had trained the tiki torch carriers in Charlottesville.

They did write about it but what they forgot to mention was that the azov are funded by a Jewish person, their president is jewish(zelenskyy) they are his best fighters and they fought valiantly for him fighting to protect Mariupol. They also are fighting alongside Israeli special forces as we speak. This nazi smear did indeed start in western media but it was pounced upon by Russia propaganda. Mostly it’s a load of crap. Like someone else said you can find nazis anywhere in small numbers if you look hard enough. This doesn’t mean the whole thing (in this case a battalion) are motivated by nazi literature, it’s just not true.

They surrendered when in Mariupol when told to do so, at risk of not being treated properly as POW’s, which Putin vowed to do, but since it seems there might have been a prisoner swap for them.

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/u ... anization/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/11/opin ... orism.html

Sorry I did not mention Azov and Azov has nothing to do with the video Unknown. Your missing the point I am trying to make. No matter.

The Atlantic Council.

[KHD]

Anyone else think that something is afoot in Belarus with the constant inbound movement of Russian troops and military hardware over the last few weeks ?

Is it purely a defensive ploy in case Ukraine decide to launch an offensive on the border of Belarus or a force that will be ready to intercept an potential attempt by Poland to come into Western Ukraine if things go belly up for Zelinsky in the East ? The Polish army is a highly trained force numbering i think to 70000 troops. Hard to tell at the moment what's going on there at the moment.

The Ukrainian situation in the east is becoming critical from what I can see. These regions have been heavily fortified which has slowed Russian advances to a crawl. It would be interesting to find out what way fortifications are like in the rest of the country. Also I note Ukraine's cement plants have not been targeted so far by the Russian missile strikes which is critical for Ukraine in continuing fortification efforts of its cities and towns.

[isha]

Not taking sides but I listened to this interview this morning of a historian who has just written a history of Russia. There is something a tad arrogant about suggesting that you are a better authority on Russian history than the Russians but nonetheless he HAS been at it quite some time. He mentions the whole religious impulse and new Rome aspect of the situation which I have only generally heard in fringe accounts. Not saying it is all true - but there's a bit of truth in many diverse places. Anyway worth a listen, I found.

[KHD]

American journalist, Patrick Lancaster, in Rostov, Russia interviewing Russians on what the think of the war in Ukraine and Putin. Spot the Paddy

[Setanta]

Anyone else think that something is afoot in Belarus with the constant inbound movement of Russian troops and military hardware over the last few weeks ?

Is it purely a defensive ploy in case Ukraine decide to launch an offensive on the border of Belarus or a force that will be ready to intercept an potential attempt by Poland to come into Western Ukraine if things go belly up for Zelinsky in the East ? The Polish army is a highly trained force numbering i think to 70000 troops. Hard to tell at the moment what's going on there at the moment.

The Ukrainian situation in the east is becoming critical from what I can see. These regions have been heavily fortified which has slowed Russian advances to a crawl. It would be interesting to find out what way fortifications are like in the rest of the country. Also I note Ukraine's cement plants have not been targeted so far by the Russian missile strikes which is critical for Ukraine in continuing fortification efforts of its cities and towns.

I'd imagine Ukraine would funnel weapons to insurgents in Belarus with the express intention of decapitating/removing government of the only European continent country publically supporting Putin.....Belarus had enough to quash peaceful protests last year,would seem obvious next step that armed uprising would occur there,and Ukraine would likely supply em,either that or there's noone with in the Ukrainian government/military have any stragetic planning skills

[Del.Monte]

Any attempt by Poland to intervene should lead to their immediate and permanent expulsion from NATO and, needless to say no intervention by NATO if Russia responded against Poland. Unlikely in any event - I hope.

[Del.Monte]

American journalist, Patrick Lancaster, in Rostov, Russia interviewing Russians on what the think of the war in Ukraine and Putin. Spot the Paddy

I tried, but I can't be doing with interviews with lads wearing masks and moving like they are being pursued. Gave up after 2.5 mins.

Without watching the rest of it, I don't see how the 'reporter' is supposed to get the true views of people who are afraid of their leaders and don't want to risk being conscripted or sent to a gulag.