Sanctuaries where the War Criminals will run to after Putin is deposed

[95438756]

One sort of sanctuary could very likely be the Russian Orthodox church monasteries.

The butcher of Lyon Klaus Barbie found sanctuary in a cathli monastery on France. Other catholic monasteries in Italy performed the same service for similar SS rank.

Of the route taken, there's no doubt that an escape committee like the Odessa group for SS officers has been set up.

Many such suspects will no doubt try for north Korea.

Whatever the escape chosen, the success of catching them may be slightly less than that derived with hunting down the last Nazis at large in south America. And then it was the organized well funded Simon wissenthal organization.

[Hairy-Joe]

I see two different types of sanctuary, country and religious.

For countries, I'd be thinking North Korea as China would be worried about loss of business with US and EU for "harbouring such a butcher". India I'd put in the same bucket as China. There could be some African country give sanctuary alright. I see this as the least likely outcome.

I'd put the religious sanctuary as having a slightly higher chance. Putin has some support from the Russian Orthodox Church as you point out.

However, I think he'll either stay in power after loosing the war, or the war will end with a bullet in his head.

[Mirabeau]

What about Ireland?
The Roman Catholic Church have been harbouring child rapists for decades.
Taking in a ruskie oligarch could make them a few for the old compensation fund.

[Hairy-Joe]

What about Ireland?
The Roman Catholic Church have been harbouring child rapists for decades.
Taking in a ruskie oligarch could make them a few for the old compensation fund.

You know, I was initially thinking "don't be daft" but knowing some of the Catholic Church, I wouldn't put it past them.

[Setanta]

My father once met Simon Wiesenthal he arrived into crottys bar lemybrian the night of a function (I think was afters of a wedding?)he was searching for Peter menten of comeragh house


Ireland witting or unwittingly sheltering war criminals wouldn't be unheard of tbf

[Mirabeau]

You know, I was initially thinking "don't be daft" but knowing some of the Catholic Church, I wouldn't put it past them.

It's not daft going by their track record.
More like it would be true to form.

[Del.Monte]

Hungary? Orban is a man cut from the same cloth as Putin.
I shouldn't think that if he is ever deposed he will be travelling anywhere, it will be more akin to the end of the awful Ceaușescu regime in Romania. What goes around, comes around.

[kadman]

You wont see any meaningful levels of justice aimed at any war criminals after all this is said and done. It never happens after any war. You only see afew token trials, a bit of media publicicty, a few sentences. Job done. The real instigators of atrocities that occurred march off into the sunset, with whatever wealth they have managed to squirrel away for them selves. If they can barter their way out with intelligence or wealth, it will be accepted, as it always was after previous wars.

The US took in the greatest amount of war criminals after the second world war, but not for prosecution. It was for information on a great wealth of topics, gleaned from whatever experiments, both technological and human that took place under the SS guidance. This was their ticket to freedom. The US gave them places to live in and jobs and a passport, under operation Paperclip . Numbering 7000 plus ss personel. Its a historical fact.

The real perpertrators walk away free, as they always have.

[knownunknown]

You wont see any meaningful levels of justice aimed at any war criminals after all this is said and done. It never happens after any war. You only see afew token trials, a bit of media publicicty, a few sentences. Job done. The real instigators of atrocities that occurred march off into the sunset, with whatever wealth they have managed to squirrel away for them selves. If they can barter their way out with intelligence or wealth, it will be accepted, as it always was after previous wars.

The US took in the greatest amount of war criminals after the second world war, but not for prosecution. It was for information on a great wealth of topics, gleaned from whatever experiments, both technological and human that took place under the SS guidance. This was their ticket to freedom. The US gave them places to live in and jobs and a passport, under operation Paperclip . Numbering 7000 plus ss personel. Its a historical fact.

The real perpertrators walk away free, as they always have.

They tried after defeating the nazi regime after WWII to hold these people accountable for their crimes. The problem is it’s very difficult to differentiate between a murderous bastard and a soldier just following orders. Easy enough to paint the really high ups as the bad guys but other then those handful of people others can just say they succumbed to effect seen in the Milgram experiment, which is highly plausible. If they didn’t follow orders they were the next lined up and shot. A lot of the worst guys ended their own lives, they knew what atrocities they had committed.

E.g. A nazi scientist who pioneered the v2 rocket when given a chance under operation paperclip said he only joined the nazis to allow him to continue his work in aerospace. This man went on to become to the father of American lunar program, Wernher von Braun.

[marhay70]

The peace agreement, when it comes, will determine what happens with war criminals and it will not be easy for the victims and the relatives of victims to stomach.
You only have to look at the Good Friday Agreement to see how unjust a lot of people might feel the outcome was. Attacks on unarmed and defenceless civilians by both sides, went virtually unpunished, with many of the perpetrators walking free after a relatively short time. Such is the price of agreement when there is no absolute victory, as it will be in Ukraine.

[kadman]

They tried after defeating the nazi regime after WWII to hold these people accountable for their crimes. The problem is it’s very difficult to differentiate between a murderous bastard and a soldier just following orders. Easy enough to paint the really high ups as the bad guys but other then those handful of people others can just say they succumbed to effect seen in the Milgram experiment, which is highly plausible. If they didn’t follow orders they were the next lined up and shot. A lot of the worst guys ended their own lives, they knew what atrocities they had committed.

E.g. A nazi scientist who pioneered the v2 rocket when given a chance under operation paperclip said he only joined the nazis to allow him to continue his work in aerospace. This man went on to become to the father of American lunar program, Wernher von Braun.

They never tried to hold these people accountable. They were after their expertise, and that gave them a free pass. Information was more valuable than where or who it came from. They have used results of weather extreme experimentation from the camps for providing proper weather protection for downed pilots, as well as many other avenues of information that were gathered during wartime.Its amazing that western society does not have war criminals for atrocities, but we view others that have commited the same thing the west has done as criminals. Bit of a double standard here.
I do not remember any high level diplomat or military officers getting sentenced for Bagram atrocities, or civilians being targeted by gun ships during the recent US military conflicts. The west are equally selective in what they consider to be war crimes.
Maybe both the Russian and Ukranian forces can use the excuse " we were only following orders", and see how that goes for them.

[KHD]

Humanity has made great strides through the areas of science, technology and medical breakthroughs and we think that somehow we are more wise than previous generations past but we are not. We carry the same emotions and prejudices as our ancestors. We don't acknowledge this and will make the same mistakes over and over again. We are as open now to be led by something similar to Hitlers national socialism dream as people were in the 1930s in Germany and the other EU States or to Communism or whatever the latest incarnation or combination of these two ideologies will be.

What I've seen on social media and main stream media over the last year or so confirms this. History altered and attempts to erase and twist important events, the deliberate dehumanisation of peoples and any cultural / music / writings that emanate from them, the acceptance and liking when someone is assassinated, tortured or the utterances from mad men that an entire people can be acceptably wiped out from the face of the planet. That is as close as you are going to get to Nazi methodologies and I see more and more people accepting this, mostly unknown to themselves which is worrying but not surprising. We as still dumbassed idiots at the end of the day and open to the same forms of manipulation and will blindly follow any government narrative put out there no matter how smart or educated we might think we are. And this is quite apparent to me over the last couple of months.

[knownunknown]

They never tried to hold these people accountable. They were after their expertise, and that gave them a free pass. Information was more valuable than where or who it came from. They have used results of weather extreme experimentation from the camps for providing proper weather protection for downed pilots, as well as many other avenues of information that were gathered during wartime.Its amazing that western society does not have war criminals for atrocities, but we view others that have commited the same thing the west has done as criminals. Bit of a double standard here.
I do not remember any high level diplomat or military officers getting sentenced for Bagram atrocities, or civilians being targeted by gun ships during the recent US military conflicts. The west are equally selective in what they consider to be war crimes.
Maybe both the Russian and Ukranian forces can use the excuse " we were only following orders", and see how that goes for them.

That gunship footage was really horrific. It showed how war can be when they make such a simple error of mistaken identity, or mistaken what they were holding to be weapons. Would it be correct to sentence those guys to prison on hate crimes against humanity for the rest of their lives or even an execution? I’m not so sure. They deserve some reprimand and the high ups who put them in that position maybe more so. Mistakes happen all the time in war though and it’s not as if they were intending to kill journalists.

War is atrocious and simple mistakes can lead to horrible outcomes never mind what is done intentionally.

[kadman]

"Mistaken Identity" Get realK. This is the government that gave a green light to torture, "Officially".
And say its not really torture, coz the western coalition forces are doing it regularly, but they like to call it " Enhanced Interrogation techniques", so its grand.

But if any government other than the west does it, well then we call it torture and scream from the roof tops. But the fact that the west controls the media, well they control the narrative and call the shots. Its amazing that 100's of thousands of civilians have been murdered during the recent conflicts, in an illegal war over non existent WMD, and no one has been called to account.

A criminal is a criminal whether he is from the east or west, we cant discriminate between either, they should all face justice.

[95438756]

You wont see any meaningful levels of justice aimed at any war criminals
...
The real perpertrators walk away free, as they always have.

Somewhat disagree with your first point. Mossad went after
Josef Mengele in South America. They fucked up badly though and just missed nabbing him twice.

Same type of hunt went on for Pol Pot. He more or less got away though too

As piss poor consolation both Mengele and and pol pot
had miserable endings.

Of course the money aide of things has to be considered too.
Costly to conduct war trials. The hosting countries won't get any credit for this work from their own natives or any victims.

[kadman]

Somewhat disagree with your first point. Mossad went after
Josef Mengele in South America. They fucked up badly though and just missed nabbing him twice.

Same type of hunt went on for Pol Pot. He more or less got away though too

As piss poor consolation both Mengele and and pol pot
had miserable endings.

Of course the money aide of things has to be considered too.
Costly to conduct war trials. The hosting countries won't get any credit for this work from their own natives or any victims.

A couple out of 1000's.....I rest my case.

[95438756]

The Ukrainians being proactive here
BBC News - Ukraine monastery raid as SBU targets Russian agents
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63715922

[KHD]

The Ukrainians being proactive here
BBC News - Ukraine monastery raid as SBU targets Russian agents
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63715922

The Verkhovna Rada ( Ukraine's Parliament ) has intoduced a bill to ban the Russian Orthodox Church and associated religious organizations in Ukraine this morning. So hopefully these ruskie monks will be shipped back to Moscow in the near future. The SBU are a widely loved bunch of lads who are mighty craic in fairness. I'd say the monks there had a great time with the boys slagging off each other.