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A 'movement' for a 'new republic'

Brabantje
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Re: A 'movement' for a 'new republic'

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roc_enthusiast wrote: Tue Nov 04, 2025 9:57 pm That link doesn't work for me.

But the mention of Ibec brings to mind a book written by Gerard O'Neill, of Amarach, who has been very active in IBEC over the years.

The book was, 2016: A New Proclamation for a New Generation.

It's about "proudly re-proclaiming the Irish Republic", very similar to the slogan of the OP.

Anyway, in 2016, everyone was trying to ride the coattails of the men of 1916.

Just the Shinners in particular and their radical left associates never eased off on it, like the rest of them, in particular FFG.

So definitely that was a driver to their use of the slogan in this election.
Shame the post didn't work, as it would have saved you the bother of typing unrelated nonsense.
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Brabantje wrote: Tue Nov 04, 2025 10:11 pm Shame the post didn't work, as it would have saved you the bother of typing unrelated nonsense.
If you wanted people to read about the things you post why don’t you post a working link. How is anyone supposed to know with a broken link.

https://www.ibec.ie/connect-and-learn/i ... pportunity
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Re: A 'movement' for a 'new republic'

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Brabantje wrote: Tue Nov 04, 2025 10:11 pm Shame the post didn't work, as it would have saved you the bother of typing unrelated nonsense.
It is absolutely related to the thread topic.

It is the same thing that we witnessed in 2016.

I gave just the example of IBEC. But there were others, not only FFG were all over it.

And it was driven down to our kids too, remember that?

This is an important comparison, because the mentality of institutionalised idiot shinners and the far left is infantilised.

Remember they made our kids write proclamations for a new Republic?

All pretty much the same as what the new left meant by "A new republic" in this election campaign.

Here are just the first two or three submissions that are listed under this country wide national school project:

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But they're all pretty much the same.

https://www.scoilnet.ie/ireland2016/

See how they encompass all the talking points of the new "progressive" left doctrine?

Pro-immigration, "peace" and neutrality, gender stuff, socialist equality (as opposed to equality of opportunity), unification, climate justice, etc.

And this is exactly what the left in the Presidential campaign were implying in their slogan.

This is what they mean by a "new Republic" and the movement for it.

Consider, it is the same type of thing as if America were to rewrite their declaration of independence to be updated with progressive woke ideology.

That's the level of it.

If the left keeps on succeeding, the country is fucked.

There are huge totalitarian tendencies there.
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roc_enthusiast wrote: Wed Nov 05, 2025 9:07 am It is absolutely related to the thread topic.

It is the same thing that we witnessed in 2016.

I gave just the example of IBEC. But there were others, not only FFG were all over it.

And it was driven down to our kids too, remember that?

This is an important comparison, because the mentality of institutionalised idiot shinners and the far left is infantilised.

Remember they made our kids write proclamations for a new Republic?

All pretty much the same as what the new left meant by "A new republic" in this election campaign.

Here are just the first two or three submissions that are listed under this country wide national school project:

Image

Image

But they're all pretty much the same.

https://www.scoilnet.ie/ireland2016/

See how they encompass all the talking points of the new "progressive" left doctrine?

Pro-immigration, "peace" and neutrality, gender stuff, socialist equality (as opposed to equality of opportunity), unification, climate justice, etc.

And this is exactly what the left in the Presidential campaign were implying in their slogan.

This is what they mean by a "new Republic" and the movement for it.

Consider, it is the same type of thing as if America were to rewrite their declaration of independence to be updated with progressive woke ideology.

That's the level of it.

If the left keeps on succeeding, the country is fucked.

There are huge totalitarian tendencies there.
It's not related to either they thread. Or what i posted for that matter.

But you do you.
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knownunknown wrote: Wed Nov 05, 2025 1:42 am If you wanted people to read about the things you post why don’t you post a working link. How is anyone supposed to know with a broken link.

https://www.ibec.ie/connect-and-learn/i ... pportunity
There's this thing. It's quite new. The young ones call it Google.

And you managed.
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Brabantje wrote: Wed Nov 05, 2025 4:36 pm There's this thing. It's quite new. The young ones call it Google.

And you managed.
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There I was hoping we'd have 'SD genepoolers' and off he goes and joins Ind Ireland, who are now the new FG says he. Go figure.

At least he didn't call them New Labour I suppose. It calls to mind a local councillor here in the Midlands many moons ago who regularly oscillated between PD and Lab flags of convenience.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/f ... 56751.html
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midlander12 wrote: Fri Nov 07, 2025 11:38 am There I was hoping we'd have 'SD genepoolers' and off he goes and joins Ind Ireland, who are now the new FG says he. Go figure.

At least he didn't call them New Labour I suppose. It calls to mind a local councillor here in the Midlands many moons ago who regularly oscillated between PD and Lab flags of convenience.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/f ... 56751.html
https://www.kfmradio.com/news/localnews ... scussions/
Cllr Clear is expected to take on spokesperson roles within the party, including as a spokesperson on defence and equestrian.
Bring back the cavalry?
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Re: A 'movement' for a 'new republic'

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Statsman wrote: Fri Nov 07, 2025 11:50 am https://www.kfmradio.com/news/localnews ... scussions/



Bring back the cavalry?
Him being from Kildare, I suppose 'army' and 'horses' came strategically to mind.
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midlander12 wrote: Fri Nov 07, 2025 11:38 am There I was hoping we'd have 'SD genepoolers' and off he goes and joins Ind Ireland, who are now the new FG says he. Go figure.

At least he didn't call them New Labour I suppose. It calls to mind a local councillor here in the Midlands many moons ago who regularly oscillated between PD and Lab flags of convenience.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/f ... 56751.html
You'd wonder about all this party-hopping and political one-eighties

How committed was this guy in the first instance to SD ideology, FG ideology or indeed any ideology?

Are they all not just temporary flags of convenience while he checks out which way the wind is blowing, and which is the best perch to land on for the advancement of his own career?

That, plus the fact that some politicians cannot work with others, cannot do team-work or operate under the party system

You see that a lot with Independents. They are often loners or mavericks, inclined to fall out with colleagues or fight with their own shadow.
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Gatsbygirl wrote: Fri Nov 07, 2025 3:41 pm You'd wonder about all this party-hopping and political one-eighties

How committed was this guy in the first instance to SD ideology, FG ideology or indeed any ideology?

Are they all not just temporary flags of convenience while he checks out which way the wind is blowing, and which is the best perch to land on for the advancement of his own career?

That, plus the fact that some politicians cannot work with others, cannot do team-work or operate under the party system

You see that a lot with Independents. They are often loners or mavericks, inclined to fall out with colleagues or fight with their own shadow.
I know nothing about the guy but he sounds like someone who'd start a fight in an empty room. The only II guy I know anything about is Fitzmaurice and he's definitely in that category - dogged in pursuit of his own interests and fup everyone and everything else.

But of course II is an actual party, you know......
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Oh dear.......(paywalled but the headline says it all) Sinn-fein-promoting-policies-that-are-not-left-wing-says-soc-dems-leader

https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/202 ... ms-leader/

A breach has been inevitable for some time, as anyone who saw Sinead Gibney and Matt Carthy one after the other on the news during the week, giving polar opposite views on charging employed asylum-seekers for their accommodation. However, I did not expect it to go public so soon, with their President not even installed in the Aras yet.
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Gatsbygirl wrote: Fri Nov 07, 2025 3:41 pm You'd wonder about all this party-hopping and political one-eighties

How committed was this guy in the first instance to SD ideology, FG ideology or indeed any ideology?

Are they all not just temporary flags of convenience while he checks out which way the wind is blowing, and which is the best perch to land on for the advancement of his own career?

That, plus the fact that some politicians cannot work with others, cannot do team-work or operate under the party system

You see that a lot with Independents. They are often loners or mavericks, inclined to fall out with colleagues or fight with their own shadow.
He wanted the nod from the Soc Dems for the last GE but didn't get it. So he ran as an Indo and got 5.1% first prefs, not bad. Now he's found the one party willing to give him a crack at it next time. He just wants to be a TD.
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And so the bright new dawn breaks at lunchtime today:

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/11 ... uguration/
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Did anyone watch it? I was working, so couldn't. A bit damp around the edges, I'd say.
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Statsman wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 2:59 pm Did anyone watch it? I was working, so couldn't. A bit damp around the edges, I'd say.
Glad I missed it :lol:
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None of the assembled govt politicians looking at all happy in this photo. Which is nice.
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Brabantje wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 3:48 pm Image

None of the assembled govt politicians looking at all happy in this photo. Which is nice.
I'd be reluctant to judge anything on the basis of a photo like that. A moment earlier or later they might all have been smiling. And in any case, on a formal state occasion, people feel obliged to wear their serious masks.
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Brabantje wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 3:48 pm Image

None of the assembled govt politicians looking at all happy in this photo. Which is nice.
It's a formal occasion. Plus, it's hard to keep smiling and looking chirpy every minute throughout the ceremony

Before the ceremony, Simon Harris and Paschal came forward to meet Catherine Connolly as she emerged from her car at Dublin Castle. The greeting on both sides was warm and tactile

One of the rather better aspects of this abysmal campaign was the grace and dignity shown on both sides once the result was announced. Heather Humphries in particular was warm and gracious in her concession.

Connolly is now the President. Respect and goodwill will be displayed on the government side and on Connolly's side. Professionalism (and indeed the Constitution) requires it.
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Statsman wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 2:59 pm Did anyone watch it? I was working, so couldn't. A bit damp around the edges, I'd say.
I had an appointment with my optician, but picked up most of it, including her speech, on my phone later

St Patrick's Hall at the Castle looking great. The only round of applause I heard was for Michael D when he entered.

All the ex-Presidents were there. Ex-Taoiseachs too---except Enda, for some reason. Mary Lou and Michelle having the craic together in their seats. Bertie very red faced. Michael D fiddling with his phone.

CC's 10 minute speech was shorter and snappier than in previous years

Lots of Irish in the speech. Nice to hear CC dwelling on the climate crisis. We didn't hear much of that during the campaign

I was a tad surprised that she spent her opening minutes re-visiting the campaign and its divisiveness---"we were led to believe that our ideas were too far out, too far left..But the prevailing narrative did not reflect people's views and values"", the "dominant narrative served to exclude, to silence criticism, to label... " etc or words to that effect. A touch of schadenfreude, I thought

Catherine looked well, nicely groomed, stylish purple outfit. The era of the short scuffed denim jacket and flyaway hair, is over.
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Gatsbygirl wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 4:38 pm I had an appointment with my optician, but picked up most of it, including her speech, on my phone later

St Patrick's Hall at the Castle looking great. The only round of applause I heard was for Michael D when he entered.

All the ex-Presidents were there. Ex-Taoiseachs too---except Enda, for some reason. Mary Lou and Michelle having the craic together in their seats. Bertie very red faced. Michael D fiddling with his phone.

CC's 10 minute speech was shorter and snappier than in previous years

Lots of Irish in the speech. Nice to hear CC dwelling on the climate crisis. We didn't hear much of that during the campaign

I was a tad surprised that she spent her opening minutes re-visiting the campaign and its divisiveness---"we were led to believe that our ideas were too far out, too far left..But the prevailing narrative did not reflect people's views and values"", the "dominant narrative served to exclude, to silence criticism, to label... " etc or words to that effect. A touch of schadenfreude, I thought

Catherine looked well, nicely groomed, stylish purple outfit. The era of the short scuffed denim jacket and flyaway hair, is over.
I didn't watch it, but that doesn't surprise me at all.
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Despite the unhistorical Free State lie about being the "10th" President of Ireland, she herself made it clear that her first official visit as the President of actual Ireland, is to the occupied 6 counties of Ireland - or as she said it, "the north" (of Ireland).
I look forward to paying my first official visit to the North and meeting with people from all communities and celebrating the rich and heritage and traditions of all who live there.

I am particularly conscious of Article Three of the Constitution, which sets out in detail the firm wish of the Irish people and the Irish nation to have a united Ireland, albeit with the conditions set out very clearly in that article – consent.
Consent means a majority in the north voting for the reunification of Ireland - NOT the consent of the foreign ethnic British Unionists (census) per se, in order to reunify our country Ireland.

That needs to be made crystal clear - because there are some deluded people who imagine the latter, rather than the actual legal former.

EDIT.
You can add BBC nI News to that - they just said "Unionist" consent (thrice). Seriously - I do wonder if some people are compos mentis at all.
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Anyway, to more important matters....The Outfit.


https://evoke.ie/2025/11/11/style/cathe ... urple-coat

The new President chose Irish designer Louise Kennedy as her chosen designer for her inaugural outfit

She wore the purple double faced wool Louise Kennedy "Maya" coat, matched with purple Orelia silk blouse made from georgette silk, and wide-legged wool Julie pants

All in matching purple---a colour chosen by her predecessors for Inauguration day.

Total cost of the outfit €4,285. Expensive, but this is high quality, individually designed clothing in natural fibres by an Irish designer, so supporting the Irish fashion industry

The look is simple, relaxed, un-fussy but high quality.
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Gatsbygirl wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 4:22 pm It's a formal occasion. Plus, it's hard to keep smiling and looking chirpy every minute throughout the ceremony

Before the ceremony, Simon Harris and Paschal came forward to meet Catherine Connolly as she emerged from her car at Dublin Castle. The greeting on both sides was warm and tactile

One of the rather better aspects of this abysmal campaign was the grace and dignity shown on both sides once the result was announced. Heather Humphries in particular was warm and gracious in her concession.

Connolly is now the President. Respect and goodwill will be displayed on the government side and on Connolly's side. Professionalism (and indeed the Constitution) requires it.
Enda wasn't well recently, so that may have something to do with it. Bertie didn't look well either tbf.
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Brabantje wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 8:06 pm Enda wasn't well recently, so that may have something to do with it. Bertie didn't look well either tbf.
Bertie looked quite unwell
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