IMMIGRATION OUT OF CONTROL

[Bubblypop]

You replied to my question with a question!
Interesting,
Try again but this time you might give an answer!

I don't have to do anything. You want to know why they come here, go ask them.

[SuirView]

I don't have to do anything. You want to know why they come here, go ask them.

Interesting, do as I say but don’t do as I do!
Enjoy your day.

[ceannairceach]

Sky News once again being pathetic.

A once good journalist - Alex Crawford - covering the Libyan coastguard rescuing illegal migrants from the sea, and then when they are told they are being taken back to Libya they start with the waterworks.

And sadly she is believing every word.

[knownunknown]

Rats in a sack.

Yeah the far right enjoy the murders alright. You had a man shot dead in front of his children not too long ago and your side were revelling in his death and mocking his widow. There’s rats about but it’s not the ones making the jokes.

Give your opinion of Charlie Kirk you fecking hypocrites.

[Pantaloon Jeopardy]

The amount of hatred and open nastiness on public display in this thread is disgusting. I suppose that at least our Leantóirí ceannaire are going to find it a bit more difficult to put up their usual excuses after some of the open admissions we've seen here.

As always - out in the open and it can't be hidden.

[Jequ0n]

The amount of hatred and open nastiness on public display in this thread is disgusting. I suppose that at least our Leantóirí ceannaire are going to find it a bit more difficult to put up their usual excuses after some of the open admissions we've seen here.

As always - out in the open and it can't be hidden.

The over sensitive soul find offence at any cost.

[ceannairceach]

The amount of hatred and open nastiness on public display in this thread is disgusting. I suppose that at least our Leantóirí ceannaire are going to find it a bit more difficult to put up their usual excuses after some of the open admissions we've seen here.

As always - out in the open and it can't be hidden.

I don’t really think a message board - or the real world - is for you.

Perhaps cotton wool and a dark room would be more in keeping with your sensitive nature dear ?

[Pantaloon Jeopardy]

https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/20 ... stigation/

Third man arrested in cross-Border terror investigation
Man (30s) detained in Co Laois this afternoon

And another.

Good also to see this far right activity being referred to as what it is - terrorism.

[Pantaloon Jeopardy]

Rats in a sack.

This is the far right approach in a nutshell.

Invent an external threat, which may be a perceived external threat, based on something actually happening but not to their claimed extent, or just pulled out of someone's arse. Doesn't matter, the "threat" and "external" parts are what's important.

Get people afraid of it.

Offer fascism as the solution.

Get into power and start using that power to exert control.

Collapse and eat each other alive because the whole thing just can't sustain itself.

[ceannairceach]

This is the far right approach in a nutshell.

Invent an external threat, which may be a perceived external threat, based on something actually happening but not to their claimed extent, or just pulled out of someone's arse. Doesn't matter, the "threat" and "external" parts are what's important.

Get people afraid of it.

Offer fascism as the solution.

Get into power and start using that power to exert control.

Collapse and eat each other alive because the whole thing just can't sustain itself.

You genuinely need to seek some sort of professional help.

There isn’t any need to “invent” a threat, nor is it perceived.

Despite what certain achingly woke posters would have you believe that all we are dealing with are a. Highly skilled self sustaining migrants on work visas or b. A small number of perfectly legal, fully fingerprinted and checked asylum seekers… that is bollocks.

Eurodac might say it records fingerprints - only if they are taken and it is possible to damage your prints so they aren’t registered (serial killers were doing it from the Boston Strangler in the 60s!!); some blonde muppet on Virgin Media can lie and say we know every migrant coming here - we don’t, they lie.

We have a series of problems caused by mass illegal economic migration - resources, societal unrest, resentment of working people both native and legal, wanted immigrants and a conversation needs to be had on limiting entry, quicker deportation of chancers when their story proves bullshit and creating a fake “far right bogeyman” is not the way to do this.

Oh and please actually ask a grown up to help you define fascism. It’s what my English grandfather fought against in 1944; it’s what my dad’s best mate saw when his unit was helping those liberated from Dachau by the US Army and it’s certainly NOT Mary from Donegal who can’t get a GP appointment as her surgery has 600 new patients getting free treatment or that her kid is only one of three kids from 30 who speaks English and can’t learn.

[Bubblypop]

It's true we don't know anyone coming here. All kinds of Germans, Scots and Bulgarian people! Those pesky UK and EU citizens coming here and doing whatever they want without notifying every Irish citizen of their presence and furnishing them with their life history. It's terrible

[Pantaloon Jeopardy]

It's true we don't know anyone coming here. All kinds of Germans, Scots and Bulgarian people! Those pesky UK and EU citizens coming here and doing whatever they want without notifying every Irish citizen of their presence and furnishing them with their life history. It's terrible

Not knowing them is generally the first part of how they enter the the system, and how the system works, isn't it?

Unless that particular poster would have a preference for them shipped here in trains with their papers already checked.

[Jequ0n]

It's true we don't know anyone coming here. All kinds of Germans, Scots and Bulgarian people! Those pesky UK and EU citizens coming here and doing whatever they want without notifying every Irish citizen of their presence and furnishing them with their life history. It's terrible

Nobody minds legal immigrants who are employable, nor genuine asylum seekers. But nobody wants people who abuse the asylum route with falsified stories, or anyone with an extensive criminal record to join their country, or do you?

When I moved to Ireland and the UK there were either no background checks, or else they did not care about my colourful background which should have raised some questions (at least in Ireland at the time). But no, nothing, I don’t think they even did a passport check when I arrived because they only picked out the brown and black people for spot checks. Convenient for sure but hardly a sensible approach to manage your border security.

Those arriving by boat gain most attention because it is irrefutable that they travelled through multiple safe countries but CHOSE to pay smugglers thousands to go on the last perilous journey to get to the country of their choice, which negates the urgency of their situation. The whole situation is so laughable that you can actually only joke about it at this stage, no matter how much you pretend to feel offended.

[knownunknown]

Not knowing them is generally the first part of how they enter the the system, and how the system works, isn't it?

Unless that particular poster would have a preference for them shipped here in trains with their papers already checked.

If you don’t have your papers in order you are held in detention until it is sorted and your identity verified. This would deter the chancers and make more room for genuine refugees.

As it is, if someone comes who we don’t want here they will get a deportation order six months later, ignore it, overstay, and then be entitled to stay forever. There should be some deterrent for chancers, as we’re a tiny country in the grand scheme of things that can’t help that many people.
Making sure we help only the most needy should be prioritized as there’s only so many we can help.

If we allow in too many too quickly the country will become a failed state lacking social cohesion very quickly. The experiment in mass migration of the last decade or so has failed spectacularly and many even of the most left wing right-on countries are going back to adapting sensible immigration and asylum policies. It’s only a matter of time until we do too.

[Bubblypop]

Nobody minds legal immigrants who are employable, nor genuine asylum seekers. But nobody wants people who abuse the asylum route with falsified stories, or anyone with an extensive criminal record to join their country, or do you?

When I moved to Ireland and the UK there were either no background checks, or else they did not care about my colourful background which should have raised some questions (at least in Ireland at the time). But no, nothing, I don’t think they even did a passport check when I arrived because they only picked out the brown and black people for spot checks. Convenient for sure but hardly a sensible approach to manage your border security.

Those arriving by boat gain most attention because it is irrefutable that they travelled through multiple safe countries but CHOSE to pay smugglers thousands to go on the last perilous journey to get to the country of their choice, which negates the urgency of their situation. The whole situation is so laughable that you can actually only joke about it at this stage, no matter how much you pretend to feel offended.

You also chose to pay to be here. That's how the world works. You have the money, then you can travel. Don't know what that's an issue.
How do you sort out which applicants are spinning a story and which are genuine in your opinion?

[knownunknown]

At least the conversations are happening now, that’s the first step.

“They are creating the same crisis they claim they are trying to avoid”. Exactly as this woman says and I’ve been saying for years.

[Bubblypop]

What a stupid cnut. Calling the alleged rapist an actual rapist is a sure fire way for him to be aqcuited. Surely she can't be that thick?
One of the most famous murderers in Ireland nearly got away with it because of what a politician said.

[ceannairceach]

At least the conversations are happening now, that’s the first step.

“They are creating the same crisis they claim they are trying to avoid”. Exactly as this woman says and I’ve been saying for years.

Expected that - sure why would we believe a ten year old raped by an illegal migrant?? Britain ignored tens of thousands of rapes of young girls by Pakistani and Bangladeshi men why wouldn’t we ??

As the vile Lisa Nandy, the now culture secretary in the UK agreed “they should keep their mouths shut for the good of diversity”.

[ceannairceach]

Not knowing them is generally the first part of how they enter the the system, and how the system works, isn't it?

Unless that particular poster would have a preference for them shipped here in trains with their papers already checked.

See you do know what fascism is.

I’m just not an example. Reported.

[Guburnor]

Not knowing them is generally the first part of how they enter the the system, and how the system works, isn't it?

Unless that particular poster would have a preference for them shipped here in trains with their papers already checked.

If you're curious about a particular posters preferences, please just ask them directly.

[Jequ0n]

You also chose to pay to be here. That's how the world works. You have the money, then you can travel. Don't know what that's an issue.
How do you sort out which applicants are spinning a story and which are genuine in your opinion?

I legally entered a country with the right to stay and work. I did not arrive to the country to have the taxpayer pay for my stay. Not a single person has ever expressed resentment against migrants like myself who are contributing, rather than just taking.

Simple, if their stories can be verified they don’t get the right to stay and get sent back to the country they claim to be from. Not my problem, but I definitely don’t want to foot the bill for them.

[Bubblypop]

I legally entered a country with the right to stay and work. I did not arrive to the country to have the taxpayer pay for my stay. Not a single person has ever expressed resentment against migrants like myself who are contributing, rather than just taking.

Simple, if their stories can be verified they don’t get the right to stay and get sent back to the country they claim to be from. Not my problem, but I definitely don’t want to foot the bill for them.

Asylum seekers also are legally entitled to be in a country.
How will we verify their stories if they are not here?

[ceannairceach]

If you're curious about a particular posters preferences, please just ask them directly.

For the avoidance of doubt my nan was Jewish and I vote Fine Gael, not the National Socialist Party!!

[Jequ0n]

Asylum seekers also are legally entitled to be in a country.
How will we verify their stories if they are not here?

They are tolerated until their claims are rejected or approved, and once approved they should be removed right away. Applications based on nonsense such as lgbt persecution etc shouldn’t even be considered because they cannot be verified. Cases like Ukraine should not be an automatic right to asylum when a large proportion of the country is not endangered. Etc etc etc.

The majority of people “fleeing” are going to be nothing but a burden on the state. I don’t care where they come from, but whether they are useful. No country needs more unskilled and unemployable people who are more likely to find a profession in their home countries where different work opportunities exist.

It’s all nice and well in theory to take in anyone seeking shelter but not feasible and completely unrealistic in practice.

[Bubblypop]

They are tolerated until their claims are rejected or approved, and once approved they should be removed right away. Applications based on nonsense such as lgbt persecution etc shouldn’t even be considered because they cannot be verified. Cases like Ukraine should not be an automatic right to asylum when a large proportion of the country is not endangered. Etc etc etc.

The majority of people “fleeing” are going to be nothing but a burden on the state. I don’t care where they come from, but whether they are useful. No country needs more unskilled and unemployable people who are more likely to find a profession in their home countries where different work opportunities exist.

It’s all nice and well in theory to take in anyone seeking shelter but not feasible and completely unrealistic in practice.

Ukrainians are refugees. Not asylum seekers.
Glad you understand that people seeking asylum are here legally until their claims are assessed. So the current system is correct.