Israel and Palestine

[roc_enthusiast]

Over on the old place, you had morons "saluting the great military operations of the noble resistance" a day after October 7th, etc.

I suggest if that is your inclination, or you are an apologist for these sentiments, you should examine the details of this "great military operation". E.g.

https://www.october7files.com/
https://saturday-october-seven.com

Some "military operation", eh?

And likewise the ensuing organised campaign of lies and libels to stoke in the susceptible those ancient antisemitic child murder archetypes, and the accusations of engineered "famine" that helped justify the Holocaust, and the rest of it.

That the moron apologists are complicit in.

We've been here before. I.e. The same old lies, and the same vicious scumbags promulgating them. Just this time on a much larger scale, using the internet instead of print media. E.g Headlines and images like this:



(May 1934 front page, accusing the Jewish community of kidnapping and murdering gentile children. One of the headline reads: "Jewish Murder Plan against Gentile Humanity Revealed". Sounds familiar, doesn't it.)

[Roman Emperor]

... We've been here before. I.e. The same old lies, and the same vicious scumbags promulgating them. Just this time on a much larger scale, using the internet instead of print media. ...

The Holocaust was eighty years ago - the world has moved on to the latest genocide.

UNICEF, Amnesty, Save the Children etc. have all accused Israel of the indiscriminate murder of children.

Respected British and American doctors, with no axe to grind, have accused the IDF of deliberately targeting children.

Israeli officials have admitted to the indiscriminate murder of aid workers and medics.

The evidence is overwhelming and irrefutable - the cat is out of the bag and the Israeli propaganda machine has lost control of the global narrative.

They're reduced to throwing tantrums about blood libels and antisemitism - but, for the first time in more than eighty years, the hasbara is impotent.

[knownunknown]

BBC forced to correct two Gaza stories a week

They get debunked a week later and you never hear the corrections, or you just ignore them.

The same pattern repeats time and time again, bullshit unverified stories published and then shared by the likes of yourself, then when the truth comes out you completely ignore it and move onto the next sensationalist bullshit story.

[StarryPlough01]

BBC forced to correct two Gaza stories a week

KuK, is there a Trump admin thread here at Gubu.ie? I only know a little about Trump threatening to sue public broadcaster BBC - 1 Billion bucks - for editing his speech comments on 6th January (before his triumphant re-election).

I don't like anyone editing comments.

There has been an attempt to discredit the BBC by the Israel lobby. Auntie BBC does make brilliant documentaries.

[StarryPlough01]

PART 1/2

THE REALITY ON THE GROUND IN GAZA ABOUT THE *FAKE* CEASEFIRE


START OF “CEASEFIRE": 10 OCTOBER 2025 - 10 NOVEMBER 2025

“Israel VIOLATED the ceasefire agreement at least 282 times from October 10 to November 10, through the continuation of attacks by air, artillery and direct shootings, the Government Media Office in Gaza reports.”

AND, DESPITE CONTINUING ATTACKS - 25 OUT OF PAST 31 DAYS - TRUMP ADMIN INSIST THE CEASEFIRE IS “HOLDING”

^ IF THINGS ARE GOING SO WELL, WHY ISN'T ROGUE STATE ISRAEL ALLOWING INDEPENDENT INTERNATIONAL INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISTS / OBSERVERS IN TO GAZA ??

242 PALESTINIANS HAVE BEEN SLAUGHTERED DURING THIS *FAKE* CEASEFIRE; AND THE POPULATION IS BEING STARVED


‘How many times has Israel violated the Gaza ceasefire? Here are the numbers’

‘Since the ceasefire took effect one month ago, Israeli attacks have killed at least 242 Palestinians and injured 622’

By AJLabs, 11 Nov 2025
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/11/ ... he-numbers
....

“According to an analysis by Al Jazeera, Israel has attacked Gaza on 25 out of the past 31 days of the ceasefire, meaning there were only six days during which no violent attacks, deaths or injuries were reported.

TWO OF THE MOST BLOODCURDLING DAYS ARE OCTOBER 19 AND 29 OCTOBER, WHEN ISRAEL SLAUGHTERED A TOTAL OF 154 PALESTINIANS:




Part 2/2 Continues below...

[StarryPlough01]

PART 2/2 continues here...


‘How many times has Israel violated the Gaza ceasefire? Here are the numbers’
‘Since the ceasefire took effect one month ago, Israeli attacks have killed at least 242 Palestinians and injured 622’
By AJLabs, 11 Nov 2025
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/11/ ... e-numbers

ON OCTOBER 19TH, AFTER ISRAEL ACCUSED HAMAS OF KILLING TWO ISRAELI SOLDIERS IN RAFAH , IDF KILLED 49 PEOPLE ACROSS THE GAZA STRIP

HAMAS’ ARMED WING (QUASSAM BRIGADES) ISSUED A STATEMENT POINTING OUT THAT ISRAELI MILITARY CONTROLS THE RAFAH AREA. AND CATEGORICALLY REFUTED ALLEGATIONS THAT IT HAD ANY INVOLVEMENT IN THE KILLING OF THE TWO SOLDIERS IN RAFAH CITY, OR HAVING ANY FOREKNOWLEDGE OF ATTACKS.

HAMAS SAID IT HAD ADHERED TO THE TERMS OF THE CEASEFIRE AGREEMENT




‘Deadly Israeli attacks target central and southern Gaza’

Oct 19, 2025 #Hamas #GazaCeasefire #GazaWar
“The Israeli military says it has launched a new wave of air strikes on southern Gaza as the fragile ceasefire comes under threat. The army described the operation as a “massive and extensive wave” of attacks targeting dozens of locations. Israel says it has carried out at least 20 strikes across the Gaza Strip — on the ninth day of its ceasefire with Hamas. Israel claims the strikes are in response to attacks by Hamas, which the group denies.

“On October 29, Israel killed 109 people, including 52 children, after an exchange of gunfire in Rafah that killed one Israeli soldier.

WARNING: SLAUGHTER OF THE INNOCENTS


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/P-0YI7TFMXI

‘Israel kills over 100 Palestinians in new strikes on Gaza’

Starry: ^ You can locate this 'short' for yourself with the above information I've given. It is distressing. ^

“Israel also said a body transferred from Gaza by Hamas via the Red Cross did not belong to one of the captives due to be released under the ceasefire.

[On 29 October 2025, told reporters aboard Air Force One] “The Israelis hit back, and they should hit back,” Trump told reporters, calling Israel’s attacks “retribution” for the soldier’s death.

[...]

Israel still choking aid

“The ceasefire stipulated that “full aid will be immediately sent into the Gaza Strip”. However, the reality on the ground remains very different.

“According to the World Food Programme (WFP), only half the required food aid is currently reaching Gaza, while a coalition of Palestinian relief agencies says total aid deliveries amount to just one-quarter of what was agreed under the ceasefire.

“From October 10 to November 9, only 3,451 trucks have reached their intended destinations inside Gaza, according to the UN2720 Monitoring and Tracking Dashboard, which monitors humanitarian aid in Gaza.

“According to truck drivers, aid deliveries are facing significant delays, with Israeli inspections taking much longer than expected.

“According to the Government Media Office, as of November 6, only 4,453 trucks had entered Gaza since the ceasefire began, out of an expected 15,600.

“This averages about 171 trucks daily, far short of the 600 trucks per day that were supposed to enter.

“Yet the White House says nearly 15,000 trucks carrying commercial goods and humanitarian aid have entered Gaza since October 10, a figure sharply disputed by Palestinians and aid groups.

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

Dear God.

The above illustrates the level of sheer and utter moron you are dealing with in these terrorist supporters.

How can you appeal to reason or moral sense when they don't have any?

Just like in the Provos the line between murdering terrorist savage and sheer unwitting gullible moron was blurred in at least 80% of cases.

The remainder were just psychopaths.

Did I touch a nerve? Tell me how you really feel R'OC? It's ok, shhh shhush shhush shhhusshh now petal. Let me fix that post for you.

"The above illustrates the level of sheer and utter moron you are dealing with in these Zionist supporters.

How can you appeal to reason or moral sense when they don't have any?

Just like in the IDF the line between murdering terrorist savage and sheer unwitting gullible moron hasn't been blurred in at least 80% of cases.

The remainder are definitely just psychopaths."

There now all better now darling. Shhh shhush shhush shhhusshh, whose a big Ziobot.... Oh yes you are, oh yes you are......R'OCKY boy.

[StarryPlough01]

UPDATE OF ISRAELI CAPTIVES IN GAZA

LIVE: NIL

DEAD BODIES REMAINING UNDER THE RUBBLE: 4






ONLY TWO CROSSINGS ARE OPEN IN THE GAZA STRIP, WHICH HUMANITARIAN AGENCIES SAY SEVERELY LIMITS THE QUANTITY OF AID TRUCKS TO THE NORTH OF GAZA. THEIR COURAGEOUS PERSONNEL ARE FORCED TO FOLLOW A SLOW AND DIFFICULT ROUTE FROM THE SOUTH. MAJOR ROADS HAVE BEEN DESTROYED OR BLOCKED BY RUBBLE FROM COLLAPSED BUILDINGS, ESPECIALLY HIGH-RISE BUILDINGS...

FULL AND UNIMPEDED ACCESS TO KEY ROADS IS ESSENTIAL. ALL THE CROSSINGS NEED TO BE OPENED, ESPECIALLY THOSE IN THE NORTH.


REPORTS HAVE SAID THAT ISRAELI MILITARY’S BUFFER ZONE ENCIRCLES THE GAZA STRIP


Nov 06, 2025
https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/israel-d ... order-area

The Genocide in Gaza

“Israel’s defense minister, Israel Katz, has ordered the military to designate the Egyptian border area a “closed military zone” and has given the Israeli military permission to strike any unauthorized party that enters the area. The pretense for this move is alleged drone smuggling of weapons in the area, but critics have noted the potential for this to be yet another “buffer zone” occupied by the Israeli military in Gaza.

THE BOMBARDMENT OF GAZA IS ONGOING. THERE IS NO PEACE.

[StarryPlough01]

‘You can do anything’: Israeli war crimes in Gaza aired in UK documentary

‘The new film featuring firsthand testimonies of Israeli soldiers in Gaza reveals patterns of systematic abuse.’

By Simon Speakman Cordall, 11 Nov 2025

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/11/ ... cumentary
....

"About 30 minutes into a new documentary featuring testimonies of Israeli soldiers about being deployed to Gaza, a soldier reflects on the enclave after months of sustained Israeli war on it: “Terrible heat. Sand. Stench. And dogs wandering around in packs. They eat dead bodies … It’s horrifying … It’s a kind of zombie apocalypse. No trees. No bushes. No roads. There’s nothing.”

"The documentary, Breaking Ranks: Inside Israel’s War, shown on UK network ITV on Monday, featured Israeli soldiers, some speaking of shame at having participated in what they concede is a genocide, others unflinchingly detailing the nature of that war.

"Included are the details of a firing policy that takes little to no account of cause, the wholesale destruction of property and homes, the systematic use of human shields, drone warfare and indiscriminate killing tied to a weaponised system of aid.

Daniel, a commander with an Israeli tank unit, said:

Responding to Israeli denials that it did not use human shields, tank commander Daniel was CLEAR that the army “is lying”.

ISRAELI MILITARY MOSQUITO PROTOCOL

“It’s called the ‘mosquito protocol’,” he said of the routine practice of seizing Palestinian civilians, strapping an iPhone to them and using them to explore suspected Hamas holdouts remotely.

“Every company has its own ‘mosquito’,” he said, referring to captured Palestinians as insects. “That’s three Palestinians per battalion, nine to 12 per brigade, then dozens, if not hundreds, per division.”

....

PALESTINIANS SEEKING MEAGRE FOOD AT THE GHF SITES WERE USED AS TARGET PRACTICE FOR THE IDF

I SAID, AFTER THE MASSACRES OF HUNDREDS OF STARVING PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS SEEKING A MEAGRE BAG OF FLOUR FOR THEIR CHILDREN, THE 4 GHF SITES WERE ISRAELI MILITARY KILL ZONES

AND THE BLOOD OF MASSACRED PALESTINIANS IS ON THE BAGS OF FLOUR AT THE GHF SITES

"Any life that was not Israeli meant little, Eli [soldier]. said, with Yaakov [platoon sergeant] separately describing how soldiers at the private US-Israeli aid programme, the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF), would “open fire, even if they don’t see a concrete threat”[ .

.... “All mosques, almost all hospitals, almost all universities, every cultural institution has been destroyed,” Yaakov told the camera. ....

ADDITIONALLY, ESTABLISHED HUMANITARIAN ORGANISATIONS (E.G., WORLD HEALTH ORGANISATION, UNICEF, AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL) REPORTED THAT THE GHF SITES ARE A DEATH TRAP.

[roc_enthusiast]

Observe these pondlife glorify in these "intellectualisations" that vindicate their crusade to demonise the Jews and their reconstituted homeland.

Of course, if they knew some history, they would be well aware of the role of intellectuals in legitimising twentieth century antisemitism in the German state, and ultimately the "justice" of the Holocaust - through a combination of law and Nazism as a "political religion".

The context now being the entire world, not just a state. And the political religion in which name it is now done, that forms the present Zeitgeist, being a form of political leftism and "human rights".

See how this whole country now resembles a university campus. A result of deliberately turning our people en masse into essentially limited automatons, trained to fulfill small roles in these US multinationals.

And indeed one can observe that what is currently happening in this country resembles the 1960's, when elite universities in Europe trebled their intake of foreign students, especially Muslims, resulting in organisations like the vicious Red Brigades, who between 1969 and 1982 killed 351 people.

Or, in Germany, disenchanted students formed the Red Army Faction, commonly known as the Baader-Meinhof gang. These young idiots were products of irresponsible academics instructing the young men and women sitting at their feet in the glories of revolution.

Just as we discern in a number of the idiot contributions to these type of Irish online fora. Of course it goes on much more widely in the country. Just look around at what is going on now, across campus "Ireland Inc." so to speak.

Well I can tell you now that it won't end well. History is repeating itself, we are witnessing just a variation on a theme. But isn't it especially the chorus that is so damnedly recognisable.

[Roman Emperor]

KuK, is there a Trump admin thread here at Gubu.ie? I only know a little about Trump threatening to sue public broadcaster BBC - 1 Billion bucks - for editing his speech comments on 6th January (before his triumphant re-election).

I don't like anyone editing comments.

There has been an attempt to discredit the BBC by the Israel lobby. Auntie BBC does make brilliant documentaries.

Instead of gloating about the BBC being forced to "correct" it's content, Israel's apologists should hang their heads in abject shame.

Media outlets around the world are fighting an uphill battle against the hasbara and the Zionists are openly brazen and up-front about the strategy.

Early on in the genocide Sky was forced to sack Belle Donati at the behest of Danny Danon for daring to compare Israeli tactics to those of the Nazis.

Sangita Myska was sacked by LBC for asking Israeli mouthpiece Avi Hyman a few questions that cut a bit too close to the bone.

The Zionist tactic of smearing and discrediting organisations or individuals who voice even the mildest criticism of Israel is blatantly obvious.

Make no mistake, the Israeli regime has the power and the capacity to destroy any group or individual who dares to speak the truth.

[roc_enthusiast]

... UNICEF, Amnesty, Save the Children etc. have all accused Israel of the indiscriminate murder of children.

What else would you expect?

Haven't I have regularly outlined the centrality in all these accusations of the 2001 World Conference Against Racism held in Durban, South Africa?

You recall I showed how it was hijacked at the Iran pre-conference, in Teheran, eventually enlisting over 1,500 non-governmental organizations (NGOs) who were in attendance, as well as the many antizionist Islamicist and leftist government representatives.

If there was any doubt as to the agenda, particularly at the NGO forum held in Durban, just review these photographs taken at the event. Note that they depict your accusations:

https://hrvoices.org/durban-1-and-2/durban-photos/

That NGO Forum, in 2001, adopted their own so called "Final Declaration" that cast Israel as committing “crimes against humanity,” “ethnic cleansing,” “apartheid,” and “genocide”. This declaration was understood as a blueprint for a twenty first century propaganda campaign.

These same NGOs at this forum called for “a policy of complete and total isolation of Israel as an apartheid state, and the imposition of sanctions and embargoes.

So since 2001, as I said, this declaration has served as a blueprint for the NGO network.

Noting also set out in this 2001 blueprint was how to orchestrate "investigations" of alleged Israeli “war crimes” by UN bodies, the International Criminal Court, and national justice systems.

Today, this proliferation of NGOs with misleading names and mission statements, and using buzzwords like “peace,” “justice,” and “human rights” continue to follow this deceptive agenda.

So in view of all this, as I said, what the f uck else would you expect?

[knownunknown]

Instead of gloating about the BBC being forced to "correct" it's content, Israel's apologists should hang their heads in abject shame.

Media outlets around the world are fighting an uphill battle against the hasbara and the Zionists are openly brazen and up-front about the strategy.

Early on in the genocide Sky was forced to sack Belle Donati at the behest of Danny Danon for daring to compare Israeli tactics to those of the Nazis.

Sangita Myska was sacked by LBC for asking Israeli mouthpiece Avi Hyman a few questions that cut a bit too close to the bone.

The Zionist tactic of smearing and discrediting organisations or individuals who voice even the mildest criticism of Israel is blatantly obvious.

Make no mistake, the Israeli regime has the power and the capacity to destroy any group or individual who dares to speak the truth.

Are you one of the “the Jews control everything” ones? The banks, Hollywood, governments etc..

The story is about how thr BBC had to correct on average two stories per day often weeks later. The news travels around the world but the corrections: not so much.

[knownunknown]

KuK, is there a Trump admin thread here at Gubu.ie? I only know a little about Trump threatening to sue public broadcaster BBC - 1 Billion bucks - for editing his speech comments on 6th January (before his triumphant re-election).

I don't like anyone editing comments.

There has been an attempt to discredit the BBC by the Israel lobby. Auntie BBC does make brilliant documentaries.

Admin? I’m not sure what you mean. It’s a threat of being sued if they don’t remove the doctored panorama documentary and admit their bias. It’s a simple request to have the edited, intentionally doctored, misleading information removed from the zeitgeist and surely that can only be a good thing unless you are ideologically driven, don’t care about truth and the misleading information helps your side to achieve its aims.

2 corrections per day, do you not think the truth is important?

A month ago you were telling us that there were 680,000 dead in Gaza,do you care to revise that figure yet? Does it not matter whether there were 68,000 dead or 680,000 dead- does that make a difference?

Albanese:

At a press conference at the U.N. in Geneva, Albanese claimed that people “should start the thinking of 680,000” as the “real death toll in Gaza.” She then added that of these 680,000 killed, 380,000 of those are infants under the age of five.

Despite the glaring inaccuracy of these figures, Albanese then states that it will “be hard to be able to prove or disprove this number.” However, in reality, census data from the Palestinian Authority refutes these impossible figures. For instance, according to the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics, only 341,790 children under five live in the Gaza Strip, nearly 40 thousand less than the figure Albanese claims were dead. In other words, Albanese alleges more children under the five were killed than those that lived in the Gaza Strip, a claim that is not only false but mathematically impossible.

In an interview the following week, Albanese admitted she used these numbers for the shock factor, saying, “in that interview, the largest figure I deliberately mentioned in a provocative way had the effect I wanted — it made people nod their heads and say, ‘What’s going on?’ These numbers are highly disputed.”

[Roman Emperor]

... Haven't I have regularly outlined the centrality in all these accusations of the 2001 World Conference Against Racism held in Durban, South Africa? ...

... These same NGOs at this forum called for “a policy of complete and total isolation of Israel as an apartheid state, and the imposition of sanctions and embargoes. ...

... Today, this proliferation of NGOs with misleading names and mission statements, and using buzzwords like “peace,” “justice,” and “human rights” continue to follow this deceptive agenda. ...

Before one can refute the accusations, first one must discredit the accusers through a combination of smears and innuendo - a tactic that has served successive Zionist regimes very well over the past eight decades with the acquiescence of a largely compliant Western media.

Out of curiosity - was Nick Maynard, the British surgeon who has accused the IDF of deliberately targeting children, a delegate in Durbin in 2001 ?

Was Tony Aguilar, the American contractor who has accused both the the IDF and the GHF of committing war crimes a delegate in Durbin ?

Some facts are so irrefutable and so undeniable that no amount of hasbara will sanitise or decontaminate them.

For example, it is an undeniable fact that from it's moment of inception Israel has been, and remains, an apartheid state - that's the brutal reality.

It is a perfectly reasonable objective for concerned people around the world to work towards the economic and cultural isolation of such a despicable and tyrannical regime.

In fact, if the Zionist invaders of Palestine didn't speak with American or British accents and wear western suits they'd have been hammered into submission a long time ago.

The legal framework put in place by the Western powers after WW2 was never designed to deal with one of their own allies practicing genocide.

[Roman Emperor]

... In an interview the following week, Albanese admitted she used these numbers for the shock factor, saying, “in that interview, the largest figure I deliberately mentioned in a provocative way had the effect I wanted — it made people nod their heads and say, ‘What’s going on?’ These numbers are highly disputed.”[/i]

Albanese, the biggest thorn in the side of the genocidal Zionist regime, is lucky she's a woman.

Otherwise allegations of "sexual impropriety" would surely be doing the rounds at this stage of the game.

Has she been accused of antisemitism or Holocaust denial yet ?

[knownunknown]

Albanese, the biggest thorn in the side of the genocidal Zionist regime, is lucky she's a woman.

Otherwise allegations of "sexual impropriety" would surely be doing the rounds at this stage of the game.

Has she been accused of antisemitism or Holocaust denial yet ?

Are you ok with her lying then as well? With a genocide and famine and all the other evil stuff, why would she lie if she had so much to talk about.

[Roman Emperor]

Are you ok with her lying then as well? With a genocide and famine and all the other evil stuff, why would she lie if she had so much to talk about.

We should try to keep it real and stick to the facts - Albanese wasn't lying.

Albanese's statement was clear and unambiguous;

"...65,000 is the number of Palestinians who are certainly killed in Gaza - in fact we shall start thinking of 680,000 because this is the number that some scholars and scientists claim is the real death toll in Gaza..."

So, to spell it out, Albanese says the death toll in Gaza is 65,000 - largely in agreement with United Nations and Gaza Health Ministry figures.

She then goes on to say that some scholars and scientists (not Albanese herself) are suggesting the figure could be as high as 680,000.

But looking at some of the pictures emerging from Gaza since the "ceasefire" it's not difficult to understand why the scholars and scientists might hold such a view.

[knownunknown]

We should try to keep it real and stick to the facts - Albanese wasn't lying.

Albanese's statement was clear and unambiguous;

"...65,000 is the number of Palestinians who are certainly killed in Gaza - in fact we shall start thinking of 680,000 because this is the number that some scholars and scientists claim is the real death toll in Gaza..."

So, to spell it out, Albanese says the death toll in Gaza is 65,000 - largely in agreement with United Nations and Gaza Health Ministry figures.

She then goes on to say that some scholars and scientists (not Albanese herself) are suggesting the figure could be as high as 680,000.

But looking at some of the pictures emerging from Gaza since the "ceasefire" it's not difficult to understand why the scholars and scientists might hold such a view.

If we’re sticking with facts, and I’m glad we are, which “scholars” referred to this 680,000 figure? It seems Albanese words have an impact on people and they were led to believe the number is closer to 680,000, this is shown in this thread’s history.

What about her saying she was being “deliberately provocative” when she’s supposed to be an unbiased UN representative?

[Roman Emperor]

If we’re sticking with facts, and I’m glad we are, which “scholars” referred to this 680,000 figure? It seems Albanese words have an impact on people and they were led to believe the number is closer to 680,000, this is shown in this thread’s history.

What about her saying she was being “deliberately provocative” when she’s supposed to be an unbiased UN representative?

I can only deal in fact and reiterate what Albanese actually said - and she said the death toll in Gaza is 65,000.

As to who Albanese's "scholars" might be, I have no idea - but there's a lot of different figures regarding the eventual death toll floating around.

For example, the Lancet, the journal of the British Medical Association suggests a figure of 186,000.

Ralph Nader estimated the death toll at around 200,000.

A researcher at Montclair State University estimates that "The minimum scientifically plausible number of deaths attributable to the Gaza genocide overall is more than 460,000."

So, despite the worst efforts of the hasbara propagandists, Albanese's stated figure of 65,000 is a conservative one and can't by any stretch be interpreted as a deliberate lie.

[knownunknown]

I can only deal in fact and reiterate what Albanese actually said - and she said the death toll in Gaza is 65,000.

As to who Albanese's "scholars" might be, I have no idea - but there's a lot of different figures regarding the eventual death toll floating around.

For example, the Lancet, the journal of the British Medical Association suggests a figure of 186,000.

Ralph Nader estimated the death toll at around 200,000.

A researcher at Montclair State University estimates that "The minimum scientifically plausible number of deaths attributable to the Gaza genocide overall is more than 460,000."

So, despite the worst efforts of the hasbara propagandists, Albanese's stated figure of 65,000 is a conservative one and can't by any stretch be interpreted as a deliberate lie.

That’s not what she said though. She said We shall start thinking of 680,000, because this is the number that some scholars and scientists claim being the real death toll in Gaza”

The report she cites this 680,000 figure from is an Australian magazine called Arena. It’s a far left socialist type of thing. It’s not peer reviewed scientific research yet she mentions academia. She lied that this number came from academia, it didn’t.

She has been breaking her code of conduct continually by being a biased propagandist rather than an impartial observer.

UN Code of conduct

Human rights council resolution 5/2 (page 3)
Mandate-holders are independent United Nations experts. While discharging their mandate, they shall:
(a) Act in an independent capacity, and exercise their functions in accordance with their mandate, through a professional, impartial assessment of facts based on internationally recognized human rights standards, and free from any kind of extraneous influence, incitement, pressure, threat or interference, either direct or indirect, on the part of any party, whether stakeholder or not, for any reason whatsoever

Francesca Albanese:

We shall start thinking of 680,000, because this is the number that some scholars and scientists claim being the real death toll in Gaza”

“the largest figure I deliberately mentioned in a provocative way had the effect I wanted — it made people nod their heads and say, ‘What’s going on?’ These numbers are highly disputed”

Below are the two academics who wrote the report: ‘Skewering History: The Odious Politics of Counting Gaza’s Dead’

Richard Hil
Dr Richard Hil is Adjunct Professor in the School of Human Services and Social Work at Griffith University, Gold Coast, Adjunct Professor at Southern Cross University and Convenor of the Ngara Institute. Richard is the author of numerous books, the latest being The Sacking of Fallujah: A People’s History (with Ross Caputi and Donna Mulhearn).

Gideon Polya
Dr Gideon Polya is a biochemist and taught science students at La Trobe University over 4 decades. His research was largely concerned with signal transduction in plants. He is the author of numerous scientific papers and a huge biochemical pharmacology text “Biochemical Targets of Plant Bioactive Compounds”. As a humanitarian concerned with reportage of avoidable mortality from deprivation and war, he has published “Body Count. Global avoidable mortality since 1950” and “Jane Austen and the Black Hole of British History”.

‘Skewering History: The Odious Politics of Counting Gaza’s Dead’
Arena Online, Richard Hil, Gideon Polya
11 Jul 2025
https://arena.org.au/politics-of-counting-gazas-dead/

IMPOSED DEPRIVATION AND GAZA’S DEATH TOLL

“When deaths resulting from imposed deprivation (indirect deaths) are factored into mortality data, the total figures will be higher than those from only violent deaths (direct deaths). Eminent epidemiologist Professor Devi Sridhar (chair of Global Health, University of Edinburgh) reported in an article in The Guardian a ‘conservative estimate of four indirect deaths per one direct death’. Assuming that deaths from deprivation were four times the violent deaths, then the 136,000 violent deaths after 15.5 months of killing (25 April 2025) would imply 544,000 Gaza deaths from imposed deprivation, and that the total Gazan death toll would accordingly be 136,000 violent deaths plus 544,000 from imposed deprivation, leading to a staggering total of 680,000 deaths by 25 April 2025. Most of these victims, as indicated in earlier counts by the Ministry of Health are women and children.

We’ve been through this all already a month ago on this thread. There are many people in this thread who believe the number of deaths is closer to a million because of what Albanese said, I’ve already argued with all of them.

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

UPDATE OF ISRAELI CAPTIVES IN GAZA

LIVE: NIL

DEAD BODIES REMAINING UNDER THE RUBBLE: 4






ONLY TWO CROSSINGS ARE OPEN IN THE GAZA STRIP, WHICH HUMANITARIAN AGENCIES SAY SEVERELY LIMITS THE QUANTITY OF AID TRUCKS TO THE NORTH OF GAZA. THEIR COURAGEOUS PERSONNEL ARE FORCED TO FOLLOW A SLOW AND DIFFICULT ROUTE FROM THE SOUTH. MAJOR ROADS HAVE BEEN DESTROYED OR BLOCKED BY RUBBLE FROM COLLAPSED BUILDINGS, ESPECIALLY HIGH-RISE BUILDINGS...

FULL AND UNIMPEDED ACCESS TO KEY ROADS IS ESSENTIAL. ALL THE CROSSINGS NEED TO BE OPENED, ESPECIALLY THOSE IN THE NORTH.


REPORTS HAVE SAID THAT ISRAELI MILITARY’S BUFFER ZONE ENCIRCLES THE GAZA STRIP


Nov 06, 2025
https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/israel-d ... order-area








THE BOMBARDMENT OF GAZA IS ONGOING. THERE IS NO PEACE.

"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength." Paradoxical slogans just like the Gazan 'ceasefire' where firing never ceased. The IDF can make any absurd claim it wants to randomly blow up, shoot or kill any Palestinian men, women and children that it feels like.

IDF goons drove over an ancient unexploded ordinance in a tank on 19th October and blew themselves up. Israel shrieks Hamas did it! That requires 45 innocent Palestinian souls in a completely unjustified retaliation that even there strongest ally, the Yanks, said was based on complete lies.

29th October, an unknown sniper begins targeting IDF soldiers in Rafah, leaving one dead. Israel again screams Hamas did it! Bam, Zionist air strikes inbound and another 109 Palestinians are left dead including 52 children.

https://www.axios.com/2025/10/28/israel ... dies-rafah

They're the two most egregious violations of the ceasefire by the Zionist terrorist regime. That's not counting the numerous Palestinians shot dead daily since the 'ceasefire' began for apparently crossing invisible battle lines on the ground that are probably impossible for civilians to know where they are especially with a lack of any sort of demarcation in the scorched earth wasteland that is Gaza.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/11/ ... he-numbers

Blocking the aid trucks, preventing heavy equipment entering to begin clearing rubble, the Zionist psychopaths are still hell bent on maintaining as much psychological pressure on the Gazan population as they can bring to bear under the terms of the so-called 'ceasefire'. It's like a more totalitarian version of the blockade that had been imposed on Gaza for over a decade by Israel. Now Palestinian civilians are being made to live under a permanent cloud of fear of attack as well as the constant food insecurity that has dogged their lives, all at the behest of this tinpot psychotic Zionist regime ran by Netyenyahoo and the lads.

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

Observe these pondlife glorify in these "intellectualisations" that vindicate their crusade to demonise the Jews and their reconstituted homeland.

Of course, if they knew some history, they would be well aware of the role of intellectuals in legitimising twentieth century antisemitism in the German state, and ultimately the "justice" of the Holocaust - through a combination of law and Nazism as a "political religion".

The context now being the entire world, not just a state. And the political religion in which name it is now done, that forms the present Zeitgeist, being a form of political leftism and "human rights".

See how this whole country now resembles a university campus. A result of deliberately turning our people en masse into essentially limited automatons, trained to fulfill small roles in these US multinationals.

And indeed one can observe that what is currently happening in this country resembles the 1960's, when elite universities in Europe trebled their intake of foreign students, especially Muslims, resulting in organisations like the vicious Red Brigades, who between 1969 and 1982 killed 351 people.

Or, in Germany, disenchanted students formed the Red Army Faction, commonly known as the Baader-Meinhof gang. These young idiots were products of irresponsible academics instructing the young men and women sitting at their feet in the glories of revolution.

Just as we discern in a number of the idiot contributions to these type of Irish online fora. Of course it goes on much more widely in the country. Just look around at what is going on now, across campus "Ireland Inc." so to speak.

Well I can tell you now that it won't end well. History is repeating itself, we are witnessing just a variation on a theme. But isn't it especially the chorus that is so damnedly recognisable.

Back to that good old Soviet propaganda line that you loved spreading on Politics.ie of Anti-Zionism = Anti-Semitism. It's good to see you haven't changed one bit R'OC. The only regime that's "damnedly recognisable", in relation to the Nazi regime of 1933-45, is your dear Zionist friends in Israel. State sponsored terrorism orchestrated on a grand scale is the modus operandi of Netyenyahoo and the other Zionist loons.


Let's do a simple comparison for you. Take the likes of those ex-IDF Zionist thugs sent over by Maccabi Tel Aviv to deliberately stoke riots and unrest like they did in Amsterdam in November 2024. Unfortunately, some footage of alleged harassment and attacks by Maccabi 'fans' on innocent passengers on Dutch public transport and trains 'mysteriously' disappeared and was deleted or overwritten early by the GVB (Dutch version of CIÉ and Iarnród Éireann) before it could be used to prove the case against those 'fans'.

https://electronicintifada.net/content/ ... sing/51047

All in all though, after the riots were over in Amsterdam everybody went home largely in one piece. The Maccabi 'fans' got away scot free for inciting a riot. The other local Dutch people got arrested and charged, there was a kind of rule of law in place and police trying to manage a difficult situation fairly. Gaza and the West Bank on the other hand is the Wild West. Palestinian civilians are shot, tortured and deprived of any modicum of basic human rights or legal protection by an absolutely criminal regime of racist psychopaths.

The Maccabi head the balls were practically treated like kings even though they were practically looking to get their heads kicked in by inciting the locals against them. A Palestinian child on the other hand crosses an invisible 'ceasefire' line in Gaza or a farmer stands up against Zionist settler terrorists trying to steal their land in the West Bank, a summary execution is often the result. Human rights and laws may as well not exist under Netyenyahoo's Israeli occupation of Palestine, because like Nazi laws under Hitler, they're just protecting one group and blatantly discriminate against everyone else leading to apartheid and then genocide.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/viol ... lice-found

[Roman Emperor]

...We’ve been through this all already a month ago on this thread. There are many people in this thread who believe the number of deaths is closer to a million because of what Albanese said, I’ve already argued with all of them.

Again, Albanese clearly stated the death toll in Gaza stands at 65,000 - a good way off one million.

There are many people around the world who believe the number of deaths is way more than 65,000.

Various individuals and organisations have suggested much higher numbers.

Doesn't mean Albanese is a liar.

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

A German-Moroccan Jewish individual, whilst attending a meeting of what appears to be a pro Zionist lobby group in Innsbruck last March, recorded the Israeli ambassador to Austria, David Roet, making pro genocidal remarks akin to there are 'no innocents in Gaza', and to paraphrase his words that even 'Palestinian children.....holding a weapon or a grenade should deserve a death sentence'. The ambassador offered no evidence or other facts to qualify why he believed Palestinian children would be carrying weapons or why he needed to make those remarks at that time for those present at the meeting.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog ... -recording

In an update to this story, the German-Moroccan Jewish man posted another video stating that he has since had his house raided by Austrian anti-terror police and he had all his laptops, phone and other hardware seized by the Austrian police. He was not given any reason or grounds for why the police made the seizure, but he has been subject to a case being made against him for leaking the recording of the ambassador without his knowledge, which under Austrian law can carry a penalty of up to 1 year in prison. In the video below, he also stated that Ambassador Roet in that meeting in March claimed that if Europe or anyone else 'tried to rebuild Gaza, that it would be destroyed all over again'.