The Epstein files

[Quato]

Have you read about the crash in Oz??

Marked as a minor bump, local police not concerned - she then posts all over social media..

Did not get the desired reaction and then killed herself.

Is Andrew a perv? Yes.
Was she a grifter ? Also yes.

So you think Virginia was a con artist. Even if she was- that is not enough reason for herself to commit suicide. Only a deep seating trauma could cause such a behaviour. And have a guess what caused the trauma...

[Quato]

Without a doubt Andrew is a disgusting, sheltered pervert. Giuffre had many opportunities to expose this, if she wanted, but went down the route of accepting large settlements and confidentiality, which definitely took a toll on her credibility.

None of us was in Virginia's shoes. None of us knows how she felt. There are a lot of rumours around that Epstein himself was killed by certain interested individuals or "the deep state". Virginia was most likely aware of such rumours and was afraid she might get "epsteined" as well. She took the money to buy herself a secure life- but the trauma in her head was not cured by the millions she got.

[Jequ0n]

Could you explain what "house of cards" collapsed? And could you explain further what benefit Virginia got- either financial or psychological- in killing herself?

She signed a confidential settlement agreement and then decided to go for a second big price when given the opportunity. She also recruited others for Epstein and co which is somehow always conveniently overlooked.

She also wasn’t a helpless “child” but 16/17 when she was allegedly sex trafficked whilst earning a fortune for someone that age, whilst their parents’ involvement is generally conveniently omitted, too.

The car crash story was absolutely phenomenal because anyone could tell from the start that it was as fabricated as a Nigerian price scam. When it was confirmed to be a scam the sympathy was sickening and her obvious disingenuous behaviour was excused with her “trauma” and quickly forgotten, but it’s nice that she now got a chance to wrap it up all nicely with a bow with the autobiography.

I am utterly unsurprised that her memoire includes spurious allegations of sexual abuse after sexual abuse to explain how she became such a phenomenal and helpless victim. Anything to keep up the pretence that she had absolutely no control over anything that happened to her.

The only thing that surprised me is that she hadn’t been killed off as soon as it was apparent that confidential settlement agreements would not keep her quiet.

[Quato]

I still don't believe that Virginia just killed herself for "the craic". Something massive was inside her and made her doing it.

[Jequ0n]

Believe what you want. But you’ll find that people habitually kill themselves if their stories are about to come undone. Particularly if their whole life has been based and centred around them. She is a classic case that never would never have gained much traction had #metoo not started shortly before.

[ceannairceach]

Believe what you want. But you’ll find that people habitually kill themselves if their stories are about to come undone. Particularly if their whole life has been based and centred around them. She is a classic case that never would never have gained much traction had #metoo not started shortly before.

Exactly.

[John]

One of the most entertaining "far out" conspiracy theories i read about Epstein was that he was in possession of some sort of super technology that could see the future, and that he literally made all that money by being able to see things like tonight's winning lottery numbers, apparently there is some evidence linking him to a winning powerball lottery jackpot.

[Jequ0n]

One of the most entertaining "far out" conspiracy theories i read about Epstein was that he was in possession of some sort of super technology that could see the future, and that he literally made all that money by being able to see things like tonight's winning lottery numbers, apparently there is some evidence linking him to a winning powerball lottery jackpot.

Those palantirs are a real menace and ought to be banned.

[knownunknown]

I’ve listened to Dershowitz a lot down the years, he regularly contributes to political shows. Virginia accused him of being one of the people that sexually assaulted her but later after Dershowitz sued her they reached a resolution where she admitted;

“made a mistake in identifying Mr. Dershowitz as one of the people who abused me,”

How can you then take what this person says seriously. I feel sorry for her and what she has been through but she put Dershowitz through much worse.

[p.ie man]

1 billion of human trafficking?

Thats a lotta pimping!

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... ansactions

[Quato]

I’ve listened to Dershowitz a lot down the years, he regularly contributes to political shows. Virginia accused him of being one of the people that sexually assaulted her but later after Dershowitz sued her they reached a resolution where she admitted;

“made a mistake in identifying Mr. Dershowitz as one of the people who abused me,”

How can you then take what this person says seriously. I feel sorry for her and what she has been through but she put Dershowitz through much worse.

I think it would be perfectly normal for a person like Virginia not remembering correctly every single thug who abused her. After all she must have kept her eyes closed most of the time to avoid looking at men she did not like but with whom she was forced to engage in a certain behaviour. We also have to consider the endless army of perverts assaulting her- plus time passing since.

[Quato]

1 billion of human trafficking?

Thats a lotta pimping!

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... ansactions

LOL!

Herr Andreas Battenberg paid well to get his perverse needs satisfied!

[Jequ0n]

I think it would be perfectly normal for a person like Virginia not remembering correctly every single thug who abused her. After all she must have kept her eyes closed most of the time to avoid looking at men she did not like but with whom she was forced to engage in a certain behaviour. We also have to consider the endless army of perverts assaulting her- plus time passing since.

Then said person shouldn’t make accusations because nobody will believe them after their claims have been debunked.
Your compassion is heart warming though.

[Quato]

Then said person shouldn’t make accusations because nobody will believe them after their claims have been debunked.
Your compassion is heart warming though.

You don't seem to get it. Virginia was badly traumatised. People like that can make mistakes- and even serious mistakes. But that does not mean they deliberately lied.

[ceannairceach]

You don't seem to get it. Virginia was badly traumatised. People like that can make mistakes- and even serious mistakes. But that does not mean they deliberately lied.

She lied about her car accident, she is being treated in some quarters as a wholesome perfect witness.

If she gave me directions I’d walk the other way.

[Quato]

She did no lie. She exaggerated about what had happened. But that is only further proof of how disturbed she was.

[knownunknown]

You don't seem to get it. Virginia was badly traumatised. People like that can make mistakes- and even serious mistakes. But that does not mean they deliberately lied.

Maybe that poster does get it and you don’t.

Jay Cheshire killed himself after an accusation made against him, similar to what Giuffre said about Dershowitz, only the Giuffre accusation was more widespread and well known.

Jay killed himself and one year later his mother killed herself because of the grief. Later he was exonerated. False accusations don’t just hurt that one person they are accusing.

https://www.thesun.ie/news/15825384/i-a ... -cheshire/

[Quato]

Great story. Thanks for proving my point. It shows how people react when they are put under great strain. Virginia got attacked from all sides. Herr Andreas Battenberg tried to get the police to frame her. A former prime minister was among those who had raped her. She had all reasons to believe some powerful men ( maybe women as well) were after her to destroy her mentally or physically- or both. That would drive anyone insane.
As I said- none of us was in her shoes.

[knownunknown]

Great story. Thanks for proving my point. It shows how people react when they are put under great strain. Virginia got attacked from all sides. Herr Andreas Battenberg tried to get the police to frame her. A former prime minister was among those who had raped her. She had all reasons to believe some powerful men ( maybe women as well) were after her to destroy her mentally or physically- or both. That would drive anyone insane.
As I said- none of us was in her shoes.

Ok if you want specifics here’s what Dershowitz said about the false accusations Giuffre made of him.

• He suffered “severe emotional distress including anxiety, stress, mental anguish, and the physical effects therefrom, medical conditions including but not limited to cardiac conditions” as a result of Giuffre’s conduct.
• The allegations destroyed his reputation, affected his retirement plans, impacted his family, and ruined his peace of mind.
• The allegations resulted in “personal and professional reputational harm, lost business opportunities, emotional harm, embarrassment, humiliation and pain and suffering.”

I can clearly see your compassion for Virginia, but why such a lack of it for people like Jay or Dershowitz?

[Quato]

Indeed- Dershowitz got his share of trouble as well. On the other hand he is a skilled lawyer and knows how to use this to his advantage.
Oh- by the way- what was Dershowitz doing on Epstein Island? We all know what was going on there and why people went there. Could it be by any chance that he is not that innocent as he claims to be?
The full and complete Epstein files need to be opened up to the public. No person should be sheltered-regardless of his or her position!

[Jequ0n]

She did no lie. She exaggerated about what had happened.

That’s a still a lie.

[Jequ0n]

You don't seem to get it. Virginia was badly traumatised. People like that can make mistakes- and even serious mistakes. But that does not mean they deliberately lied.

Anyone can claim to have been “traumatised” by their experiences which cannot be verified. It does not give them the right to make allegations without repercussions.
Somehow this line of excuse only works for some people who you can neatly put into one category.

[Quato]

A lot of his "disgrace" is spin. The Queen gave £12 million to a woman A said he never met. She covered for him always, as he was her favourite. But Andrew was protected by the Royal family even after the Queen died. They are acting now only because the threat has come close to the throne. Charles was heckled recently on a visit to some church

The tabloids are trying to spin this as William's doing---they have spun this image of William as the tough, ruthless righter of wrongs.

But William used to drive Andrew to church in Sandringham, trying to "normalise" him. It is only late in the day that he suddenly became "disgusted" with A's behaviour.

There is probably more stuff hidden in the RF, and by funding Andrew in his "disgrace", the King no doubt hopes to have some leverage on A to stop him writing a tell-all book

What is Andrew's "disgrace" anyway?. A comfortable rent-free "lodge" in the vast and beautiful Sandringham estate in Norfolk

Andrew will remain hidden and silent, well-protected, like all the other elite men who were close to Epstein and who have benefited from the omerta around the rich and influential.

Herr Andreas Battenberg seems to have been extremely busy during a trip to Thailand- and all funded by the taxpayer....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ownie.html

[Jequ0n]

Herr Andreas Battenberg seems to have been extremely busy during a trip to Thailand- and all funded by the taxpayer....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ownie.html

None of which is illegal (if true). People seem incapable or unwilling of distinguishing moral and legal wrongdoings.

[Quato]

None of which is illegal (if true). People seem incapable or unwilling of distinguishing moral and legal wrongdoings.

I doubt that the hiring of prostitutes at the taxpayers expense by Herr Battenberg was legal. He seems to have misused public funds to satisfy his perverse needs.
In any case- Herr Battenberg should not have behaved as he did. He inflicted big damage on a variety of people and his behaviour was not in the best interest of the UK or the royal family.