Burke family, Castlebar

[knownunknown]

Looks like the judgement will be issued tomorrow. They must be having a difficult old think about it.

Will they ignore the constitution in the name of gender identity?

[Hairy-Joe]

I wouldn't be surprised if the judgement is not in his favour as he has shown himself to be incapable of following judgements that didn't suit him.

We'll see what is said

[Jack The Stripper]

He should have steadied the ship, I’d say all we will see tomorrow is them out in force and getting mouthy and throwing the toys out of the cot.
There finance backers seem to be backing them at all costs.

[knownunknown]

So the judges ruled it wasn’t about transgenderism at all. That’s what was argued against Rosa Parks and many like her before that….it wasn’t about civil rights, it was about causing disruption.

What a stain on the Irish courts. Ridiculous is an understatement.

[Hairy-Joe]

True, the behaviour of the Burke's was ridiculous alright. Bloody disgraceful. If they behaved more normally in the court, they would do a lot better.

[Setanta]

True, the behaviour of the Burke's was ridiculous alright. Bloody disgraceful. If they behaved more normally in the court, they would do a lot better.

Maybe this is normal behaviour for them


Kinda easy to imagine the scenarios outlined by the principal, that lead to him being suspended to begin with,being truthful......a pound shop Ian paisley,without the charisma to pull it off

[isha]

He is doubtless a pain. The whole family are weird. What they are doing behaviour-wise is hare-brained. I'd rather stick needles in my eye than entertain them in my kitchen. But nonetheless he is right. Being compelled to address a child as if they had no sex is wrong. It is authoritarian compulsion to be made to publicly cleave to a false ideological belief system. (Later there will be compulsion to address boys as girls and girls as boys. Etc)

[Hairy-Joe]

My view on this is two fold.

First, Burke is an idiot for his behaviour at the school and the court. He could have been a lot more dignified and make a much bigger impact by a dignified stand. Sure one of the judges said that on his application to have the discipline hearing stopped that his case had merit and could have been worthy of a full hearing but his behaviour made it impossible to grant his application.

Also, he's doing a great dis-service to the debate on transgenderism in underage kids. If he was more dignified maybe a more well behaved debate would have started. Now, if anyone expresses such questions, they are automatically lumped in as a religious bigot. I think that there's a lot of "bandwagon jumping" by people to get a label to "be different", without understanding the consequences of that label.

My view is that there's only two genders in everyone, what you are biologically and what you identify as. Normally they align but sometimes they dont. Biologically you are either a male or female. You can get bits added or taken off but that wont change what you are biologically. Now, what you identify as, that's no skin off my nose BUT how can you make a proper, informed decision as to what you identify as when you are not an adult and still maturing?

When you are an adult, I dont care if you call yourself a man, woman, something in-between or a giraffe as long as you dont impose it on me!

[Cyclepath]

I think the bigger question today is where are Simeon's shoes?

[Hairy-Joe]

Oh full judicial enquiry needed as to where are his shoes?

[Jack The Stripper]

Did they look in the box for his shoes?

[isha]

He could yet become a cult hero. Hahaha

[Cyclepath]

I would love for https://www.ontheditch.com/ to investigate exactly where their money comes from...

Obviously Roman Shortall will have to sort his rent arrears first . but it would be a good investigation for them to pursue

[Hairy-Joe]

I can see the school arguing for the Burke's being required to lodge money with the high court before continuing in their appeal. There has been plenty of times that was done in the past. Unless the money is lodged, no appeal. If Burke's win, money is returned.

It's a reasonable argument to make due to their litigious nature as it's a common tactic of some with little to loose representing themselves to drown the other side in costs.

[nlgbbbblth]

I would love for https://www.ontheditch.com/ to investigate exactly where their money comes from...

Obviously Roman Shortall will have to sort his rent arrears first . but it would be a good investigation for them to pursue

Roman is even more unlikeable.

[Cyclepath]

Roman is even more unlikeable.

Yeah, both of them certainly come across as very angry men!

I'm not their biggest fan but must I admit I think there's a place for them shining the light into dark corners! If you're a whistleblower it's a lot safer to dump your evidence with them than it is to follow the 'correct' channels.

[nlgbbbblth]

Yeah, both of them certainly come across as very angry men!

I'm not their biggest fan but must I admit I think there's a place for them shining the light into dark corners! If you're a whistleblower it's a lot safer to dump your evidence with them than it is to follow the 'correct' channels.

The focus is good but it’s selective.
The Left are obsessed with white collar crime but ignore violent crime (unless committed by someone they don’t like)

[isha]

There's a story today that the family of the child didn't know it was their child at the centre of the drama, feel unsafe now because of attention, and contradict the school saying they didn't ask for they them pronouns.

The school are denying that the parents claim is correct. The parents are saying all the suggestions re pronouns came from the school not them or the child

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/cou ... 90736.html

[Jack The Stripper]

Always three sides to every story. Their side, the other side and the truth.

[isha]

[kadman]

Something I find strange about this is that the school appears to have been given power as to how the fines will be paid. I always thought fines were a court issue, and not one of the parties involved.

https://waterford-news.ie/2023/03/16/en ... dge-rules/

In a judgement issued on Thursday, Mr Justice Brian O’Moore said the teacher has until March 23rd to pay the fines.

After that, Wilson’s Hospital School may apply to enforce payment of the fines by means such as seeking orders over Mr Burke’s assets, the judge said.

The judge said: “There are clear and obvious steps which can be taken, including the sequestration of Mr. Burke’s assets. The earlier application for sequestration as a coercive measure was refused. However, sequestration of Mr. Burke’s assets in order to enable collection of his fines is a different proposition.

“In any event, as and from 4pm on the 23rd of March, the school is at large as to what steps it wishes to take to enforce the fines and Mr. Burke will be at risk of such measures for as long as it takes for the fines to be paid.”

Mr Justice O’Moore considering whether the fine should be increased over the breaching of the High Court order directing Mr Burke to stay away from the Co Westmeath school, the judge said there are two possible reasons for Mr Burke’s continuing contempt. One is that the fine is too low, the other is that he does not really believe that the fines will ever be enforced.

[isha]

It's beginning to maybe look a bit like a political show trial.

I'm unclear about the implications, but if this push all came from the school under the influence of TENI and BelongTo (for example) then the situation seems to my mind to be changed. Burke has essentially been trialed for his religious beliefs - would it happen if Burke was a Muslim or an Orthodox Jew/Orthodox Christian? I see the big skit now is the amount of floats at parade's lampooning Burke - honestly, a lot of people have feeble senses of humour or creativity. And perhaps in the light of changing facts, the great village wits may feel foolish.

We shall see

[Setanta]

I done wee bit of reading this dirty evening,on this bloke

Its nuts craic,he wasn't even teaching this student to begin with....hasn't offered anything like a proposed solution to underpin supposed conscious objections and had a string of inappropriate behaviour leading upto his inevitable suspension

[nlgbbbblth]

What are the chances of the school publicly identifying & expelling the pupil and then re-instating Enoch Burke as teacher?