Elon Musk buys 100% of Twitter

[DeletedUser]

Project veritas released an undercover video with a twitter executive(who thought he was on a date) where he was seen to repeatedly mock Elon Musk for having Aspergers and being ‘special’. He then goes onto say how they need to get rid of Musk in order to prevent hate speech on their platform.

Remember when hate speech was actually hate speech and not "women need single sex spaces", "a female rape victim should not be felt up by a man just because he says hes a woman" and "Biology is real".

[knownunknown]

Musk want's proof that spam bots make up no more than 5% of Twitters userbase before he hands over any money. Twitter aren't complying.

This could still all be Musk flexing with no purchase ever actually intended. Musk is no fool. He know to ever make money Twitter will need serious ad revenue and that's never going to come with an unmoderated (ie. no free speech) platform.

Pretty much everyone agrees Tesla is massively overpriced so surely moving money anywhere else is a smart move. If he could move more I’m sure he would, but that would see Tesla crash surely.

Another expose from project veritas two days ago has an engineer admitting they are ‘don’t act like capitalists, but socialists’. Since they are a public company their number one duty should be to shareholders.


There must be room to make profit here if they were running it with a ‘bias’ and ‘like socialists’. He makes it sound like they are some sort of religious commune, some type of cult where the ideology of people changes as soon as they join.

Also the idea of free speech and unmoderated going hand in hand is a false dichotomy. Everyone believes in some level of censorship, some sort of rules, which are written into law in a democracy, not subverted by a company with clear ideological leanings.

[Scotty]

Another expose from project veritas

I'd take everything they have to say with a pinch of salt. Is he actually a 'Twitter Executive' or the guy who puts the bins out on a Tuesday night?

Pretty much everyone agrees Tesla is massively overpriced so surely moving money anywhere else is a smart move.

He's not moving it though. He's borrowing on it as collateral and using Twitter's own value as the rest of the collateral. They'll all be linked and if one fails they all fail.

Also the idea of free speech and unmoderated going hand in hand is a false dichotomy. Everyone believes in some level of censorship, some sort of rules, which are written into law in a democracy, not subverted by a company with clear ideological leanings.

Sorry I see now I said that wrong earlier, I said 'unmoderated (ie. no free speech)' but it should have been 'unmoderated (ie. allows free speech)'.

I think people seem to think (and Musk gives the impression) that if he owns Twitter then it will allow free speech. I don't believe it will, not if it ever wants to make money.

Everyone believes in some level of censorship...

I don't think this is true at all. I believe there should be (regarding hate speech, slander, etc) but many believe free speech = no censorship whatsoever.

[knownunknown]

The UDHR says that there are restrictions on the freedom of expression so how can it be recognised as absolute and by whom?

Libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, incitement, fighting words, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, food labeling, non-disclosure agreements, the right to privacy, dignity, the right to be forgotten, public security, and perjury, all agreed upon restrictions to freedom of speech.

The justification for such include the harm principle, proposed by John Stuart Mill in On Liberty, which suggests that "the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others".

I don’t believe what many people define as hate speech is harmful, some of it definitely is. Saying ‘men aren’t women though’ shouldn’t be hate speech as it’s not harmful to anyone, it’s a political opinion. Some will argue it is, this is the problem with hate speech. When it makes the mistake of including political speech, which should be the most protected type of speech.

What type of harmful speech could be made that requires hate speech laws?(that isn’t already covered by the UDHR). I don’t think there is any. For example they said Jan 6th was trump inciting violence, thus hate speech. If that is now the bar then it has been set ridiculously low, but it’s not the bar as it only applies in one direction. They are using their rules about hate speech to enforce their ideology, by silencing dissidents- that’s the reality.

[knownunknown]

So a letter was sent to brands like Coca Cola asking them to boycott sponsors with twitter should Musk take over. Who composed this letter and which groups were behind it?

The daily mail are reporting George Soros, Clinton and Obama staffers as well as European governments. Let the conspiracies begin!


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... paign.html

I’ve always heard this and that about Bill Gates and George Soros etc but never paid it much attention. Why are they so interested and against Musk’s takeover of twitter? They demanded that advertisers should withdraw all deals should Musk takeover twitter.



Gates contacted Musk recently since both were attending a TED conference and knew mutual contacts. Gates asked Musk to talk about environmental philanthropy all while shorting Tesla to the tune of half a billion. This text exchange was leaked and confirmed as true by Musk.

So while Gates is betting that Tesla will fail, the company doing the most for environmentalism, he’s also ‘philanthropically’ supporting environmental agencies that are calling for advertisers to boycott Musk’s acquisition of twitter.

[schmittel]

Saying ‘men aren’t women though’ shouldn’t be hate speech as it’s not harmful to anyone, it’s a political opinion. Some will argue it is, this is the problem with hate speech. When it makes the mistake of including political speech, which should be the most protected type of speech.

I actually think this is the problem. Getting ourselves in the situation whereby saying “men aren’t women” is regarded as a political opinion, means the idea of what is or is not hate speech is a minefield.

Men are not women. That’s a fact. Not a political opinion.

[JayZeus]

Well said. I am a man.

I might decide to be a woman. I might decide I’ve always been a woman. People might say I am because only I can define myself and choose my gender and pronouns.

That’s not political speech. That’s complete bollox.

OT? Nope. Twitter and complete bollox go hand in hand.

Twitter. Full of twits. Half-witted twits and men with tits.

[knownunknown]

I actually think this is the problem. Getting ourselves in the situation whereby saying “men aren’t women” is regarded as a political opinion, means the idea of what is or is not hate speech is a minefield.

Men are not women. That’s a fact. Not a political opinion.

We’re already in a polarised situation and it’s already being taught in schools and encouraged to children, that men can be women. Dissenters are already booted from social media and it’s already crossing the boundary into hate speech to say ‘men aren’t women’. Men are already allowed to compete in women’s sport under the label of ‘woman’.

Of course I don’t agree with any of this but that’s where we are. Many people would contest what you and I regard as fact and call us hate speech peddlers.

What I meant by political speech is that it is contested by many, which surely it is.

[knownunknown]

Musk’s 18 year old has now changed her name and gender and disowned her father.

“ she no longer wants to "live with or wish to be related to my biological father in any way, shape or form".”

This ideology is horrid.

[knownunknown]

Musk terminates twitter deal because they didn’t provide evidence of bots he was requesting. My prediction is they ban him pretty soon.

[Del.Monte]

Twitters user figures are very suspect, like those of Facebook, and I suppose Musk can well afford to pay Twitter the $1 billion or so compensation that was being talked about.

[Hairy-Joe]

Ya I heard on the news that Musk decided to stop the deal. I'm now wondering what other news is getting no air time due to this announcement.

As for who is right on this deal, I'm going for "a bit from column A, a bit from column B" as I don't know enough to say for sure.

[95438756]

Aw, poor Elon. Got butthurt. Needs to retreat to his 'Berghoff compound to curl up & lick his wounds Give over would yez

[isha]

While Elon was having his most recent baby (via surrogate) with Grimes he was also welcoming twins mothered by one of his employees. He now has nine children. My grandmother used to say about some men, watch out for that lad, he would get you pregnant just by touching you with his trousers. Elon must be one of them lads.

[95438756]

While Elon was having his most recent baby (via surrogate) with Grimes he was also welcoming twins mothered by one of his employees. He now has nine children. My grandmother used to say about some men, watch out for that lad, he would get you pregnant just by touching you with his trousers. Elon must be one of them lads.

Elon can "sow Plenty of Wild Oats" then. Ancillary skill I suppose not quite practical to LinkedIn profile.

[knownunknown]

Former Twitter employee(former head of security) Peiter Zatko is accusing the company of lying to just about everyone.

Allowing foreign government agents access to information so they can target people and imprison them is actually causing real harm to people while twitter complains about the harm done by words. Talk about fecking hypocrites.

https://www.vox.com/recode/2022/8/23/23 ... -musk-bots

[knownunknown]

Looks like Musk has backtracked and agreed to pay the original price and twitter are now happy and have accepted. Could be the owner in days. This comes before he was due to be deposed next week

[RandallWeems]

This is great. He’ll get trump back Jordan peterosn back and Andrew tate back. The wokie libtards will be crying again.

[knownunknown]

Twitter’s trust and safety council spent too much time worrying about banning people for political speech such as the definition of woman and phrases like ‘learn to code’.

They should have spent more time on their actual security which led to the targeting, imprisonment and murders of real people standing up to authoritarian regimes, as was outlined recently by whistleblower Peiter Zatko, former head of security.

If one is happy to have twitter do the bidding of foreign governments, authoritarian ones that suppress women, supplying information and imprisoning dissidents then you would be happy with their old management. If instead you would prefer twitter to be a bastion of free speech, a melting pot of ideas, a place where people are protected against the governments of this world then perhaps Musk might be the better option.

The argument about “owning the libtards’ is the strawman always pushed forward by the people more worried about what people are saying.
That’s what they seem to think it’s all about. Less egg next time.

[schmittel]

Saw the TLDR synopsis of this on Twitter:

Musk: Imma buy Twitter
Twitter: oh no you’re not
Musk: ok then I won’t
Twitter: the hell you won’t
Musk: ok then I will
Twitter: over my dead body

[isha]

[knownunknown]

“It’s a private company, they can do what they like”. At least until the ones you don’t like are in control

[KHD]

Pat the Baker having a meltdown. No fresh bread in the shops tomorrow apparently over this.

[knownunknown]

Pat the Baker having a meltdown. No fresh bread in the shops tomorrow apparently over this.

That account is clearly marked as satire though

[schmittel]

“It’s a private company, they can do what they like”. At least until the ones you don’t like are in control

Thought exactly the same when I read about the Twitter workforce's open letter in response to Musk's claim that the staff count is bloated and should be culled:

Elon Musk’s plan to lay off 75% of Twitter workers will hurt Twitter’s ability to serve the public conversation. A threat of this magnitude is reckless, undermines our users’ and customers’ trust in our platform, and is a transparent act of worker intimidation.

Twitter has significant effects on societies and communities across the globe. As we speak, Twitter is helping to uplift independent journalism in Ukraine and Iran, as well as powering social movements around the world.

A threat to workers at Twitter is a threat to Twitter’s future. These threats have an impact on us as workers and demonstrate a fundamental disconnect with the realities of operating Twitter. They threaten our livelihoods, access to essential healthcare, and the ability for visa holders to stay in the country they work in. We cannot do our work in an environment of constant harassment and threats. Without our work, there is no Twitter.

We, the workers at Twitter, will not be intimidated. We recommit to supporting the communities, organizations, and businesses who rely on Twitter. We will not stop serving the public conversation.

We call on Twitter management and Elon Musk to cease these negligent layoff threats. As workers, we deserve concrete commitments so we can continue to preserve the integrity of our platform

Serving the public conversation? Supporting the communities, organisations and businesses who rely on Twitter? Continue to preserve the integrity of our platform?

Utter horseshit. It's a private company lads, the owners - whoever they are - can do as they wish.

You reap what you sow.

https://time.com/6224380/elon-musk-twitter-open-letter/