isha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 7:46 pm
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... rwear.html
Anyone interested could have a read of that story. A trans woman has just won a case for discrimination against the NHS. They worked in a hospital in Sheffield. They were allowed to use the female changing rooms.
There seems to have been a lot of reaction from the female staff who left nasty notes in the trans woman's locker and made unpleasant remarks. However the issue that caused the judge to rule they were discriminated against is because a boss asked the trans woman whether or not they generally wore underwear. This was in the context of the trans woman being naked from the waist down in among the females in the changing room. The judge decided the female manager would not have asked any other women such a question and therefore it was discriminatory to ask the complainant.
The trans woman had "light-heartedly" said to their colleagues that they had been hot at work and had taken their pants off.
So thats about the story. I don't know how this sort of thing is going to be sorted out. On the one hand transgender people exist and have to be accommodated, on the other hand a person going round in the communal female space with their mickey out is rather a big problem.
Trans activists say we need to consider the feelings of trans people that have difficulties using women’s spaces(I’m yet to see this argument arise around male spaces), but this becomes very difficult when they don’t afford others that same respect. The judge should have considered this in their opinion.
A manager would never ask a trans man what underwear they are wearing because it isn’t offensive to other people that also use those changing spaces. They don’t have an overwhelming physical strength advantage and a tool to rape people with. It’s not discriminatory, it’s being considerate of other people.
Pride is a double edged sword. The type of pride that helps people live as the person they want to be surely is a good thing. This type of person is unconcerned about the couple of minutes from the 1,440 they have every day in a toilet just like most other people. They’ll be considerate of other people, not making jokes about removing their pants.
Then there is the type of pride that is described religiously, not only is it one of the deadly sins, it was the original sin. I’m not at all religious but I like to learn lessons from ancient stories. “ Pride finds pleasure only in what sets it apart. That is why William May calls pride “the sin of the first person singular.” Proud people not only put themselves before others, they separate themselves from others—sometimes under the cover of religious piety.” This type of pride sees people’s identity affirmed with pictures taken of themselves in these disgusting places.