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It's such a huge alienation from one's body that there has to be a mental component. There are lovely trans women on Twitter that I follow but they know they suffer from severe alienating dysphoria which is a mental health issue, often caused by childhood experiences. The very idea that it is beautiful or powerful or good to be alienated from one's real physical body is subversive. It can only prolong suffering to affirm it.


I feel very sympathetic towards people suffering from gender dysphoria, which I think is different than fetishist autogynophelia. When I was younger I experienced severe PTSD as a result of a series of assaults, and I experienced profound alienation from my body. Even the feeling of clothing touching me sometimes used to send me into uncontrollable panic seizures. I could not go outside for several years. It was horrific and involved a lot of being outside of and alienated from my body. Sometimes I would wake up in a seizure experience and genuinely not know if I was animate or inanimate, animal or human, or what age or sex I was. I used to have to build back a mental awareness of myself, to reconstruct reality. I did it all without medication as I wanted more than anything to be really myself, to be at peace with my body. It sounds bizarre but I have experienced it.

So, though many people on other forums have accused me of hate, I actually feel incredible empathy for people going through what I know is another form of mental suffering that needs to be healed.
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Ncdjd2 wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 9:19 am I hope none of ye throw your phones against the wall with this post. :mrgreen: Apologies in advance for any smart phone damage, you probably needed a new phone anyway 😀

Too many people are imbeciles!
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knownunknown wrote: Sat Jul 09, 2022 4:58 pm Yes he has a long history of making these ‘connections’. People who critique the media are, sexist, misogynist, alt-light, alt-right, trump supporting, white males ethno nationalists according to him. He’s been doing this shit for far too long.

There’s always confession through projection somewhere from these types and it’s in the final sentence of this article.

“I just go outside my front door and realise the world doesn’t look anything like the online world they’ve[We’ve] constructed.”
Freyne has form. A total neckbeard. He and his wife (https://twitter.com/urchinette?ref_src= ... r%5Eauthor) are condescending & irritating.
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I don't have any idea who the senator is, the context or his politics but found this exchange mad.

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😅Somebody witty compared the above exchange to this...

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Ncdjd2 wrote: Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:08 am I don't have any idea who the senator is, the context or his politics but found this exchange mad.

Can you imagine having her as your teacher, poor kids these days don’t have a chance. It’s like talking to the worst ones over yonder.
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I work in a university that has just "celebrated" Pride month without once having an event for gay people.

Like having Christmas with no Santy - woke imbeciles are in the thrall of TENI.
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Celchick wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2022 7:20 pm Can't decide who's more insufferable - smug brocialist prostitution supporting beardy dudes, who wouldn't have sex with a trans "woman" if their lives depended on it, telling women who they should agree women are... or fellow women doing so.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... n-hearing/
It's a tie, they're both vile. But the decider is women - like that idiot from Berkely there - should choose their fellow women.
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All the luvvies out today

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nlgbbbblth wrote: Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:30 pm All the luvvies out today

Izzy “bloke who hates women and makes up assaults for attention” Kamikaze ?

Yeah should be told to go feck himself at every possible opportunity.
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Celchick wrote: Sat Jul 16, 2022 8:58 pm My eyes have been opened in recent days to the reality of being genuinely trans, via someone whom I assumed was biologically female until it was confirmed by her that this is not the case. Absolute hats off - this person worked so hard to be the person she is happier being, and it was definitely the right decision, and she commenced the process well into adulthood most importantly. That person is the real deal. So much respect.

But the issue now is that some bloke called Barry can just tweet "I'm Barbara now and my pronouns are she/her/hers" and a whole chorus of idiots (mostly women) will just agree that Barry is literally a woman. And then there's the misogynistic abuse and dehumanising language in healthcare. The person I got to know has nothing to do with all that crap.
I’ve met some people like you’ve described as well. I would have called them transsexual. They seemed genuine to me and good luck to them. The ones that make me more uneasy are transgender, people that feel that their gender is fluid or make no effort to change their sex, yet demand I call them by words that are detached from reality.

Eddie Izzard comes to mind, over the years he always just went along with whatever the current thing was. He was just a cross dresser, no a transvestite. Two identities that do more to enforce gender stereotypes than anything else. I thought gender stereotypes were the bad evil we were trying to avoid. He’s just a man who likes to dress as a woman and has said that numerous times throughout his career. Nothing wrong with this as long as you don’t try to force it on children. Now all of a sudden he wants to be called a she. It’s such a load of crap. Why has he never said that before? It’s now fashionable that’s why.

We should have taken more of stand with the pronoun nonsense. The meaning of words is changing so rapidly no wonder there is such confusion around this stuff. I think meanings are being changed deliberately as a way of obscuring. People too concerned about their ‘gender’ need to quit their social groups immediately.

It’s like someone who loses a limb might be called an amputee but the amputee doesn’t get to decide that they don’t identify as an amputee. “I want to be called a new word that I just invented”. That is just farcical. We’re living in the age of narcissism.
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This is from the Irish website lgbt.ie
Transvestites, Crossdressing and Drag.

Transvestites ‘dress’ for numerous reasons. Some feel the strong need to express femininity while others might cross dress for artistic expression or erotic enjoyment. However, most people who crossdress generally have no intention of changing their bodies through hormones or surgeries. These experiences can also be part of the trans umbrella.

This might also include drag kings or queens, who may use exaggerated gender performances as a means of exploring their gender identity. The transgender umbrella is an inclusive term which welcomes all those who wish to identify within it.
I have always said that I think women have long facilitated transsexual women in our spaces, most have not had a problem. It's the broadening of the bandwidth of transgenderism that causes huge problems. Plus transsexual women didn't try to invade female sports or insist they had literally changed biological sex, nor was there a big queer pedagogy drive to include gender theory ideology into children's spaces. Etc.

It's estimated from Swedish research that up to 3%of men enjoy cross dressing for erotic purposes.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1585936 ... 0fetishism.

Some studies say more. That's a lot of men experiencing a fetish which is now supposed to be facilitated by girls and women.

Wikipedia says cross dressing is not included under the definition of transgenderism but the global organisations involved in TQ+ activism say it most certainly is.

An article from 10 years ago about the Irish scene.

https://m.independent.ie/style/sex-rela ... 48488.html
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Ncdjd2 wrote: Sat Jul 16, 2022 9:50 pm https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment ... ar-AAZE18X

Fck sake, heard it all now.
So instead of studying a beautiful technically difficult art form, a dancer can just whack on some Jay Z and wave their hands round like they’re on meth ??

Yeah, progressive.
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Reddit now bans associating lgbt with paedophilia, also groomer apparently is hate speech- an-anti lgbt slur. How they alone get to define language is central to how they operate, these gender activists. I can only imagine the kind of protection this affords some people.

This labelling of hate speech is already being used as ‘proof’ that some groups are hateful. They’re using the language thus they are hate groups.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... rwear.html

Anyone interested could have a read of that story. A trans woman has just won a case for discrimination against the NHS. They worked in a hospital in Sheffield. They were allowed to use the female changing rooms.
There seems to have been a lot of reaction from the female staff who left nasty notes in the trans woman's locker and made unpleasant remarks. However the issue that caused the judge to rule they were discriminated against is because a boss asked the trans woman whether or not they generally wore underwear. This was in the context of the trans woman being naked from the waist down in among the females in the changing room. The judge decided the female manager would not have asked any other women such a question and therefore it was discriminatory to ask the complainant.
Concluding, Employment Judge Sarah-Jane Davies ruled a female manager quizzed her because she is transgender.

Judge Davies said: 'A concern about the woman's state of undress in the changing rooms was likely to be connected with the fact that she is a transgender woman.

'This was a communal changing room with a shower cubicle. It did not seem to the Tribunal likely that there would have been a concern about a cisgender woman in a state of undress while changing in such a changing room.


The trans woman had "light-heartedly" said to their colleagues that they had been hot at work and had taken their pants off.

So thats about the story. I don't know how this sort of thing is going to be sorted out. On the one hand transgender people exist and have to be accommodated, on the other hand a person going round in the communal female space with their mickey out is rather a big problem.
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isha wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 7:46 pm https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... rwear.html

Anyone interested could have a read of that story. A trans woman has just won a case for discrimination against the NHS. They worked in a hospital in Sheffield. They were allowed to use the female changing rooms.
There seems to have been a lot of reaction from the female staff who left nasty notes in the trans woman's locker and made unpleasant remarks. However the issue that caused the judge to rule they were discriminated against is because a boss asked the trans woman whether or not they generally wore underwear. This was in the context of the trans woman being naked from the waist down in among the females in the changing room. The judge decided the female manager would not have asked any other women such a question and therefore it was discriminatory to ask the complainant.





The trans woman had "light-heartedly" said to their colleagues that they had been hot at work and had taken their pants off.

So thats about the story. I don't know how this sort of thing is going to be sorted out. On the one hand transgender people exist and have to be accommodated, on the other hand a person going round in the communal female space with their mickey out is rather a big problem.
Trans activists say we need to consider the feelings of trans people that have difficulties using women’s spaces(I’m yet to see this argument arise around male spaces), but this becomes very difficult when they don’t afford others that same respect. The judge should have considered this in their opinion.

A manager would never ask a trans man what underwear they are wearing because it isn’t offensive to other people that also use those changing spaces. They don’t have an overwhelming physical strength advantage and a tool to rape people with. It’s not discriminatory, it’s being considerate of other people.

Pride is a double edged sword. The type of pride that helps people live as the person they want to be surely is a good thing. This type of person is unconcerned about the couple of minutes from the 1,440 they have every day in a toilet just like most other people. They’ll be considerate of other people, not making jokes about removing their pants.

Then there is the type of pride that is described religiously, not only is it one of the deadly sins, it was the original sin. I’m not at all religious but I like to learn lessons from ancient stories. “ Pride finds pleasure only in what sets it apart. That is why William May calls pride “the sin of the first person singular.” Proud people not only put themselves before others, they separate themselves from others—sometimes under the cover of religious piety.” This type of pride sees people’s identity affirmed with pictures taken of themselves in these disgusting places.
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Watching Law and Order SVU and it’s about hate crimes - usual targets mosques, Jewish facilities, swastikas on Sikh business etc - the usual targets of these “Christian” extremists.

Great that they include the storylines - with the modern crowd whining that using the wrong pronoun is LITERAL GENOCIDE!!!!! - sometimes it’s easy to forget the usual targets that suffer real hate.

Ah but they can’t help themselves can they ??? “New York is a city of 9 million people and two thousand identities”.

Oh feck right off eh ???
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The Tavistock is shutting down.
Archived article to be able to read behind paywall - https://archive.ph/2022.07.28-112218/ht ... -wpdx3v6nw

It will be replaced by regional clinics which must offer more ''holistic care'' with ''strong links to mental health services.''

Note - at least 180 Irish children were referred to the Tavistock. The doctor leading the review of the Tavistock ''found that the Tavistock clinic was “not a safe or viable long-term option” and that other mental health issues were “overshadowed” when gender was raised by children referred to the clinic.''

I'm feeling a tad cynical. If an institution that has been defiantly operating for years even in the face of heavy criticism and multiple high level resignations from its staff and board, realises at last that it is facing down the barrel of a future of litigation from many children and minors who have been rendered sterile and anorgasmic because of its rushed treatments and ideological commitment to gender theory, what better thing to do than to disband before such a scenario unfolds.

Anyway, it's some vindication for those of us who were accused elsewhere of clutching our pearls or being transphobic bigots because we questioned the treatments being meted out in that place.
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Forgot to add that the UK Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) has operated a clinic out of Crumlin hospital for ten years following the same practices as those at Tavistock.
Tavistock has been assessing Irish child and adolescent gender dysphoria patients for the past decade under an arrangement funded by the treatment abroad scheme, but which involved a team from the English clinic visiting Crumlin hospital on a monthly basis.
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-sty ... -1.4500119
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Dr Hilary Cass from her review of the UK Gender Identity Services for Children and Young People
Brain maturation may be temporarily or permanently disrupted by puberty blockers, which could have significant impact on the ability to make complex risk-laden decisions, as well as possible longer-term neuropsychological consequences.
https://cass.independent-review.uk/wp-c ... y-2022.pdf
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https://www.englandrugby.com/news/artic ... ion-policy
The review and consultation concluded that detailed peer reviewed research provides evidence that there are physical differences between those people whose sex originally recorded as male and those as female at birth, and advantages in strength, stamina and physique brought about by testosterone and male puberty are significant and retained even after testosterone suppression.

This science provides the basis of the new gender participation policy that concludes the inclusion of trans people originally recorded male at birth in female contact rugby cannot be balanced against considerations of safety and fairness.

The RFU Council has determined that until such time as new further peer-reviewed science is available, a precautionary approach is appropriate to ensure fair competition and safety of all competitors. Therefore, the RFU Council approved a policy change to only permit players in the female category if the sex originally recorded at birth is female.
Rugby union has voted to segregate according to sex. The voting numbers were a little close for comfort - 33 in favour, 26 against and 2 abstaining - but I'm happy with the ultimate results. 🥳🥳🥳
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Interesting developments at ATN in Waterford

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-n ... y-27620514

That absolute dose Emer getting rightfully criticised for this tweet
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Twitter is an utter cesspool and I am reinforced in that view on the rare occasions that I look in on it. I'm one of those users that Elon Musk was concerned about - signed up several years ago and posted once.
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Ireland silencing women - we have never done that before eh ?? 🙄🙄🙄
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