13 year old boy called rapist.

[isha]

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I read this story. Found it horrifying. I defended the boy on Twitter. Which is a mistake in terms of what is allowed, but whatever. Doesn't bother me. My thing is I believe false accusation happens to boys. I also believe really bad things happen to girls. I'm a mother of boys and a girl. I know from them and their social circles growing up that both sexes lie and can be rotten.

The police dismissed the accusations. Said it was all consensual. Said they are inundated with girls making hysterical accusations against boys.

I think the whole area needs to be handled knowing that both sexes lie and are deceitful. A boy can ruin a girls life. A girl can rule a boys life. The way things are now it is presumed girls don't lie. What that boy went through was torture. Identity-politics-sanctioned torture.

A friend of mine, a junior school teacher in Germany, was accused of molestation by a very young girl, less than 10 years old. The school went ape-shit, but my friend responded by going absolutely ape-shit back, that he was not guilty, that he would not stand for it. The girl eventually admitted that she had completely made up the story to punish him. But imagine what it would have been like if he had not responded so strongly? Even a very young girl can make up sexual assault charges. Yes, and even a very young boy can sexually assault.

It's so complicated. So difficult to decipher. But there should not be presumptions of guilt or innocence or automatic believing or disbelieving. That's why we have investigations and trials. That's my opinion.

[Hairy-Joe]

And then people wonder why there's no volunteers for youth groups......

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I read this story. Found it horrifying. I defended the boy on Twitter. Which is a mistake in terms of what is allowed, but whatever. Doesn't bother me. My thing is I believe false accusation happens to boys. I also believe really bad things happen to girls. I'm a mother of boys and a girl. I know from them and their social circles growing up that both sexes lie and can be rotten.

The police dismissed the accusations. Said it was all consensual. Said they are inundated with girls making hysterical accusations against boys.

I think the whole area needs to be handled knowing that both sexes lie and are deceitful. A boy can ruin a girls life. A girl can rule a boys life. The way things are now it is presumed girls don't lie. What that boy went through was torture. Identity-politics-sanctioned torture.

A friend of mine, a junior school teacher in Germany, was accused of molestation by a very young girl, less than 10 years old. The school went ape-shit, but my friend responded by going absolutely ape-shit back, that he was not guilty, that he would not stand for it. The girl eventually admitted that she had completely made up the story to punish him. But imagine what it would have been like if he had not responded so strongly? Even a very young girl can make up sexual assault charges. Yes, and even a very young boy can sexually assault.

It's so complicated. So difficult to decipher. But there should not be presumptions of guilt or innocence or automatic believing or disbelieving. That's why we have investigations and trials. That's my opinion.

I am increasingly relieved I don't have children when I read things like this. More power to you Isha for clearly raising yours right.

A culture war is absolutely raging now and the analogy of the Salem Witch Trials is an accurate one - there is a generation of women now growing up that believe themselves to be exclusively victims and men are the enemy. And yet when those men announce they are - in their minds - women, all bets are off and those same women politely step aside and allow them access to our spaces - beit a rape crisis centre, gynaecological facility or sports team/changing room.

I argued decades ago that changing the language was not a help - indecent assault/sexual assault used to be just short of rape where penetration had not taken place and was as serious as rape - and rightly so, it was punished as severely.

Now those terms aere used for a casual and innocent touch on the shoulder - or in scenarios like the man sent down this week for touching a woman in bed after they had already had sex. How can you NOT believe consent is given if you have just had enthusiastic, consensual sex and a woman is naked beside you?? Again yet those same women (and I have seen this personally) will go into gay bars en masse and sexually assault men "for a laugh".

I absolutely swear that had Tim Berners-Lee saw 30 years into the future he';d have gone "bollocks to that!" and invented a robot monkey butler instead.

[JayZeus]

And then people wonder why there's no volunteers for youth groups......

I spent 10+ years as a scout leader, from my late teens through to my late 20’s, having been a scout throughout my childhood.

Married now for many years, but no kids. Just didn’t work out for us. That’s for context. My wife and I both long for an opportunity to directly support the betterment of the generation that follows us, in the absence of children of our own.

As much as I really wish I could be involved in supporting a phenomenal youth movement through facilitative leadership and mentoring, there is no way in hell I’d risk having some little sheite or a parent destroy my life with easily told lies.

It’s disgusting, all of it. Abuse, false accusations and the entirely inadequate response by the entire legal system in the case of both offences.

[isha]

To be honest it is scary raising kids. By having mine very young I just about squeaked in over the line and avoided raising Gen Zs who are well and truly hooked into the machine. Mine grew up with a big lump of an old style computer and didn't have phones until they were older teens or even adults. My younger siblings are handling the most atrocious things that are being visited upon their children via technology and phones. I would go insane.

Of course kids are great and loads of kids are doing fine, I'm not being alarmist, just pointing out what I think are important issues.


The important thing is it is boys AND girls who can be messed up or mess up. Even though smartphones were fairly newish my daughter and her friends were held down in school by gangs of boys and forced to see hard core porn, which devastated my child who still had a thing for fairies and magical creatures at the time.
And I also saw very young girls of 12 and 13 seek male attention under my very nose by draping themselves in skimpy clothing over my much older sons and in some cases my husband, because these particular girls didn't have dads in the house and had literally learned at home that getting attention this way (from passing boyfriends of Mammy) was probably the most attention they were going to get.

The whole area is tragic and complex and important. We have to find ways to sort this kind of stuff out. I feel incredibly bad for girls who are assaulted. But my heart also broke for the boy in the newspaper story.

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To be honest it is scary raising kids. By having mine very young I just about squeaked in over the line and avoided raising Gen Zs who are well and truly hooked into the machine. Mine grew up with a big lump of an old style computer and didn't have phones until they were older teens or even adults. My younger siblings are handling the most atrocious things that are being visited upon their children via technology and phones. I would go insane.

Of course kids are great and loads of kids are doing fine, I'm not being alarmist, just pointing out what I think are important issues.


The important thing is it is boys AND girls who can be messed up or mess up. Even though smartphones were fairly newish my daughter and her friends were held down in school by gangs of boys and forced to see hard core porn, which devastated my child who still had a thing for fairies and magical creatures at the time.
And I also saw very young girls of 12 and 13 seek male attention under my very nose by draping themselves in skimpy clothing over my much older sons and in some cases my husband, because these particular girls didn't have dads in the house and had literally learned at home that getting attention this way (from passing boyfriends of Mammy) was probably the most attention they were going to get.

The whole area is tragic and complex and important. We have to find ways to sort this kind of stuff out. I feel incredibly bad for girls who are assaulted. But my heart also broke for the boy in the newspaper story.

I have two nieces of 12 and 14 and they are very much old school 12 and 14, like I would have been - I pray they keep that child like innocence and awe as long as humanly possible.

[knownunknown]

I thought this was somewhere in the US until it mentioned sitting GCSE’s. Can the police ever make a determination that an accusation was false, I guess the ‘victim’ could admit to lying. Stories like this are probably more common than we think when the only way to get the story out is through an anonymous author.

We’re at a point where any man’s life can be ruined by the right accusation in the right circumstances with absolutely no evidence. Most feminist literature will say that most sexual assaults aren’t reported -anywhere between a rate of 2x - 10x, creating an incentive for fake accusations and to punish people with no evidence. Language is changing before our eyes, accusers are now victims, defendants are perpetrators and sexual assault as PS noted is also requiring a lower bar.

In the UK they can thank people like Alison Saunders, a rabid feminist who promised to prosecute more and more until those numbers were met. This included the infamous case of Mark Pearson and that award winning liar from game of thrones, Faress. (A case that also happened around this time). Saunders continued to prosecute the case despite the video evidence clearly disproving Faress’ lies. This is the environment in which the case of this poor boy happened. The head of the CPS was a dishonest ideologue trying to meet her quotas.

Prosecutors slowed down CCTV in case of commuter cleared of 'bizarre' sex assault on actress

Any honest person would admit this is a horrible way to structure society.

[Hairy-Joe]

I'm another that spent a long time of my youth in the scouts. But I wouldn't dream of being a scout leader now. The lack of volunteers can be seen as my local scout troop is gone.