IMMIGRATION OUT OF CONTROL

[isha]

Yes I wonder why we have asylum seekers from America.
But on the first point of arrival I'm not sure about that argument in a logical sense. If I'm a refugee trying to get out of Yemen, naturally I will have to travel via a major transport hub to arrive in Ireland as we are a very small place. To put the onus on all locations with central transport hubs to accommodate all genuine refugees seems wrong

However if someone was living for some time elsewhere as an asylum seeker and liked the spread we have on offer better, and so comes here, that's not fair on us.

[isha]

After posting the above chart I had come across I then stumbled on this article in the Sunday Times. I have a subscription so I will link a good portion. It explains to me the oddity re Georgia which I noted above. It seems to me that some of what is happening now is down to Roderic o Gorman. And he has other personal campaigns re critique of gender theory ideology and hate speech. I don't know him. But there are things that strike me as odd about him. I remember way back when he excitedly posted on Twitter about being in the company of Peter Tatchell. The tweet is still there. Peter Tatchell has fully and openly expressed repugnant views re adults having sex with minors.




https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/why- ... -7c5vrpmnd

“Today, we are making a new commitment to all those seeking refuge in Ireland. We will end direct provision. Read our plan here.” No one knows what Roderic O’Gorman, the integration minister, was thinking when he began tweeting about his plans to reform the immigration system in early 2021 but staff at the International Protection Office (IPO) were aghast.

Those on the front line of Ireland’s dysfunctional immigration system had noticed an increase in asylum applications from people travelling from countries such as Georgia, which the United Nations considers to be safe, meaning its citizens would not qualify as refugees.

They were concerned about O’Gorman’s decision to translate his plans into multiple languages including the Georgian language, offering to provide asylum seekers with their “own-door” accommodation and “wrap-around supports, healthcare and education” on social media without having the infrastructure or finance to support it.

Months later O’Gorman’s colleague, Helen McEntee, announced an amnesty that allowed illegal migrants to gain residency if they came forward. How this was going to work was also unclear but there were concerns that it too would attract a new wave of migrants who might travel here and apply for asylum.

If O’Gorman and McEntee’s intentions were to assist those fleeing persecution and dissuade economic migrants from making their way to Ireland in search of a new life, it was way off the mark. It was a classic case of politicians making ideological decisions that had unforeseen consequences. Their actions heaped pressure on a struggling immigration system that was already on the brink of collapse.


Warning signs
The first signs of trouble appeared last year when the authorities noticed a sharp increase in the numbers and profile of new migrants applying for asylum, which is mostly used by workers to gain residency. The total number of asylum applications received in 2019 was 4,780. In 2020 it dropped to 1,566 but the figure rose to 2,649 in 2021 with the majority of applicants coming from Nigeria, Georgia, Somalia and Afghanistan.

A year after the O’Gorman tweets and McEntee’s amnesty announcement, the numbers jumped to 13,651 in 2022. A further 3,628 people have sought asylum between January and April, according to official figures. An examination of the profile of the applicants paints a fuller picture of what happened.

Many of those seeking protection in Ireland had travelled from safe countries such as Georgia and Albania in search of work but unable to obtain a work visa had applied for asylum. This, coupled with the arrival of 100,000 Ukrainian refugees fleeing the war, proved too much. The system ultimately collapsed last month when the state could no longer offer accommodation to asylum seekers as demand had outstripped supply.

The housing and cost of living crises had significantly reduced the number of beds available to accommodate migrants claiming asylum. Appeals for repurposed buildings and tented accommodation to address the shortfall had failed to produce enough beds. The problem worsened when hostels and hotels, which previously rented out rooms, ended their contracts with the state, leaving about 2,500 people living in direct provision in need of homes. Hundreds of new asylum seekers were told they would have to find accommodation on their own having travelled here. Many resorted to living in tents out of desperation as they could not find a job, or a place to sleep.

The issue has become a political nightmare for Leo Varadkar and his government, which has been criticised for failing to reform the immigration system to protect legitimate refugees and streamline the issuance of visas to deter migrants from making bogus asylum applications to gain residency.

Immigration officials are now trying to find beds for hundreds of people who have claimed asylum while at the same time trying to quell the concerns of local communities, where local buildings are being commandeered to provide emergency accommodation. The system is in free fall, according to insiders, immigration officials and gardai.

Dealing with protests against the opening of new direct provision centres has become an issue in itself. Last week roads leading to Magowna House hotel, near Inch in Co Clare, were blocked by locals, who say it is unsuitable to house asylum seekers. There have been 125 such protests outside direct provision centres since January, some involving violence. In Dublin, arsonists burnt down a makeshift camp on Sandwith Street two weeks ago. Ministers are also very aware of how the issue is being used to stoke fear by right-wing extremists.


An imploding system
Ireland provides protection to refugees in two ways. The first strand is organised with the United Nations and involves screening applicants in refugee camps and resettling them in Ireland. Hundreds of Vietnamese, Myanmar and Syrian families have moved here and been fully integrated. The second strand involves offering protection to anyone who arrives at a port, airport or at the IPO in Dublin to claim asylum regardless of where they have come from. Applicants are asked to complete a questionnaire and explain why they are seeking protection.

Each applicant is then offered accommodation in a direct provision centre until a decision is made on their case, which can take months but sometimes years if appeals are lodged or judicial reviews instigated. Under recent changes introduced by the government, applicants can work legally after a few months.

Investigations into the background stories of applicants are almost impossible to check as many destroy their travel documents and claim to have no identification papers. Many also lie about their nationality to try to secure residency rights by claiming to be refugees fleeing persecution. For example, Pakistani nationals claim to be Afghans fleeing the war while Kenyans claim to be Somalis.

The process is further complicated by the fact that asylum seekers are required to apply for protection in the European country where they land. Thousands move between states, making individual applications in each country, before a decision is made and they are deported. Many move to countries where benefits are better. No two stories are the same.

Research has shown that word of mouth and family ties are what usually encourage people to make the journey to Ireland, which explains why large numbers can suddenly arrive from one country. Ireland also makes an attractive location as it has no functioning deportation system when applications are rejected. Only people found to pose a threat to the public or with serious criminal convictions are removed from the state by gardai, if they can be found. Thousands vanish without trace after claiming asylum and start working in the “black economy”, or travel to Britain or Europe.

Applications from people arriving from safe countries of origin such as Georgia, Kosovo, Albania and South Africa are expedited as they are almost always rejected. When this happens, an appeal is lodged, delaying the process further. Many nationalities, including Georgians, feel they have no option but to apply for asylum as a method of gaining residency to work, said Giorgi Zurabashvili, the Georgian ambassador to Ireland.

“The Georgians travelling to Ireland are all jobseekers. Georgia is a safe country and is a democracy. Many of those travelling to Ireland are men who want to work in the construction industry. They are actually needed to help build houses, but they can’t get work visas,” he said.

The Department of Justice did not respond to questions but figures from the European Council on Refugees and Exiles for 2022 show 14,103 of last year’s cases are still awaiting a decision while 1,383 applications for asylum were granted. A total of 869 were rejected but it’s unclear if any of these were deported.

Most experts in social policy and migration say the solution is creative thinking and reform of the system. Seamus Taylor, an expert on social policy at Maynooth University, described what was happening as a “perfect storm” but said it was important to put everything in context.

“There needs to be worldwide governance of migration. If we facilitate the movement of capital and business, we need a system to facilitate the movement of people. We are told Ireland is an open country at the centre of the world, but this shouldn’t be limited to business, trade and technology, it should include people,” he said.

Like most experts, Taylor believes many of the problems can be solved. “Many of the issues accompanying the opening of direct provision centres could be avoided if there was proper consultation with local communities,” he said, pointing to the welcome given to hundreds of Syrian refugees when they were settled in Ballaghaderreen in Co Roscommon under a United Nations resettlement programme. “They were welcomed with open arms,” Taylor added.

“Handling this is challenging for both the communities and the government but it can be done. We need to have rules which will allow us to live happily in diversity. Irish people are culturally equipped to do this as we have travelled the world and encountered hostility.

“The boats sinking in the Mediterranean today were the coffin ships which took our ancestors to America,” he said.

To take no action and not pursue a radical overhaul of the system would be risky for a country that wants to be recognised as one of Europe’s most stable democracies, one of the best locations to do business and a voice for the developing world at the United Nations.

It would also set the stage for the collapse of social cohesion across the country as the flow of migrants into Europe is expected to rise in the coming years, driven by interstate conflict, climate change and the desire of people to better their lives.

“People migrate for all sorts of reasons. But at least 20 million have been migrating each year since 2008 as a result of climate change alone,” said Diarmuid Torney, an expert on climate change at Dublin City University. “But if you fast forward to 2050, that figure might be one billion.

“Parts of the Indian and African continent who are heavily populated are likely to become uninhabitable. We can’t allow ourselves to think they will go to Germany and we will be protected by our geographical location,” he said. “The arrival of refugees and those simply seeking a better life is not going to stop any time soon.”

A spokesman for O’Gorman said: “The decision to tweet his white paper plans to end direct provision in Georgian, Albanian, Arabic and other languages was made on the grounds they were the most common languages spoken by those residing in direct provision.

“‘Own-door’ in the context of the white paper does not mean an applicant is given possession of a property. It means the property provided by the state for temporary habitation to a person while their application for international protection is being assessed has its own door into a family unit, and is not a congregated accommodation setting.”

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From the Indo: https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/i ... 03554.html

Ireland is struggling to cope with the scale of the refugee crisis that has swept Europe, the Taoiseach has said.

Leo Varadkar said while issues have arisen with accommodation shortages and some anti-immigration protests, he insisted the vast majority of the near 100,000 people who have arrived in Ireland in the last year have been housed and welcomed by local communities.

There are now 199 recently arrived asylum seekers without any State-provided accommodation.

Seventy-one who had no accommodation were offered a place today.

Eleven more new arrivals were not offered any accommodation when they presented at the International Protection Office today.

"We're facing a major refugee crisis not just here in Ireland but all across Europe,” the Taoiseach told the Dáil.

"We would have seen in most years (that) 3,000 to 4,000 people come to Ireland each year looking for protection, in the past year it's been closer to 100,000, most fleeing the war in Ukraine, but a very large number of people seeking international protection from other parts of Europe and outside of Europe, as well, and we're struggling to deal with it."

Ministers condemned far-right agitators "peddling lies" and seeking to block migrants from entering certain areas, as they gave statements to the Dáil on housing asylum seekers across the country.

They also evoked the history of fleeing Ireland in search of a better life abroad during the Dáil debate on the refugee accommodation crisis.

More than 85,000 Ukrainians have arrived in Ireland after fleeing the Russian invasion of their country since its outbreak last February, with a further 15,000 arriving last year seeking asylum.

The State is now offering accommodation to more than 85,000 people amid a severe housing shortage that the Government has said can only be addressed by boosting supply after years of underinvestment.

The Government has committed to refurbishing buildings, encouraged people to "pledge" a home for Ukrainian refugees for a period of time, and to fund rapid-build accommodation units in the hope of housing migrants arriving in Ireland.

Speaking in the Dail, Minister for Equality Roderic O'Gorman - charged with housing and integrating Ukrainians and asylum seekers - said that the people who are "warmly embracing" those who have fled from conflict or persecution "are the true mark of Irishness".

Addressing communication concerns, he said he had engaged with locals and communities to give information and dispel misinformation, but added "we don't always get to do the level of engagement".

He said that masked men who film and intimidate asylum seekers "are not concerned locals", but members of the far right "peddling lies" to further their own agenda.

He added: "The vilification of men in particular who come here seeking international protection, some of these men who have been tortured, exploited and come here seeking refuge, being denigrated as something other, something to be feared."

He said that international protection means fairly and humanely examining a claim for asylum, and should not "vilify" those who have their claims rejected.

He added: "Our deep history of immigration means we have an instinctive understanding of the plight of those seeking to make a better life elsewhere.

"There's not one Irish person who hasn't had a family member, a male family member, who's gone abroad seeking a better life as an economic migrant, and we view them as our families, as proud relatives living elsewhere."

Minister for Housing Darragh O'Brien said that in Ireland's "quite recent history", people have had to flee its shores and "weren't always given the welcome that that they should have" but went on to play "a very important role in their new countries".

He said that it was important that the message "from a very dangerous fringe on the right wing aren't allowed to take hold" and suggested that a flux of people seeking asylum in Ireland would now become "the new norm".

He added: "All of us realise that the reality that we live in right now - which is mass migration - is a reality that the developed world and Europe and Ireland are going to have to live with for many, many years to come even post the conflict in Ukraine.

"We look at climate change, we look at all the conflicts right across the world, countries like ours, people see as a safe and secure place where they can rear their families and so I think we have to be more flexible into the future about providing additional accommodation for the long term."

As part of the refurbishment programme, he said that currently there are 59 different projects at various stages of progression that will provide just short of 3,000 additional bed spaces when the work is complete.

Justice Minister Simon Harris criticised "bad actors" who he said travel from community to community who seek to "hijack" the Irish tricolour for their own needs.

"They want to express these concerns for their own ends, they use divisive rhetoric, they use misleading information, and they target those people that have come to Ireland to seek protection," he said.

"In our DNA, we know what it is like to have to leave your homeland and go and seek refuge somewhere else.

"People who drape the tricolour around them while blocking the entry and exit of people from their temporary homes, from their place of shelter, do not speak for our country, they do not speak for this people's house, the Dail."

He said that Government was working "tirelessly" to ensure that asylum seekers who have fled to Ireland and have been left without State-provided accommodation will be housed.

Sinn Féin leader Mary Lou McDonald noted it said something about political life in Ireland that the vast majority of politicians who put themselves forward for election have criticised the actions of the far right "because these are the values of the Irish people".

"Barricades are wrong, blockades at the accommodation of anyone, but particularly vulnerable people is wrong, wrong, and wrong again," she said.

Sinn Fein TD John Brady accused the Government of having a hand in creating "the current mess", criticising Ireland's asylum system as "unworkable" and "unfair" to applicants.

"It is also a fact that it is less well off communities which have had to accommodate the vast majority of refugees, and from the outset the government has failed to deliver on its commitments and responsibilities - at best it has, at times, been reacting to events rather than delivering solutions up front," he said.

Labour TD Duncan Smith said that the statements from three ministers was an example of the "coordinated, coherent response from Government" that the opposition had been calling for.

He said that he had concerns about "a small minority" of public representatives who he said he "would not trust" with certain information in relation to where new arrivals were going to be accommodated.

"There has been instances where representatives have come and said things at public meetings, or have dropped leaflets and that, quite simply, is something that we cannot stand for," he said.

The situation is off the charts and the figures constantly quoted of 80k Ukrainans and 20k International Asylum Seekers never seems to be updated - so nobody has arrived since these figures were being thrown around earlier in the year.... what a typical Irish feck-up.

[jmayo]

When we face a recession the chickens will all come home to roost and we will very quickly see the emperor has not clothes, not even jocks.

At this stage I view our media, and all our politicians as quislings.
They are braying today about the end of the civil war as they sell out our country.
Every single day the media are trying to spin shyte, looking for every possible good news story about what we used to call refugees, then asylum seekers and now "those seeking international protection".
Next week they will be called citizens and anyone that disagrees will be deemed a racist that has to be stamped on from on high.

Come next election I will vote anyone leaning right, no matter if they are a bible basher quoting Archbishop McQuade and then lastly sadly the shinners.
FF, FG, Labour need to be annihilated to change them.
I wont even mention those cabbages in the greens.

[95438756]

Come next election I will vote anyone leaning right, no matter if they are a bible thumper quoting Archbishop John Charles McQuade

fyp

[isha]

75% (at least) of Irish citizens are far right. 83% of Sinn Feins voter's are far right. Bet you had been persuaded by the mainstream media and celebrity pundits that only the knuckle dragging racists that hang out online on transphobic hate sites or the grannies holding protests in long-neglected inner city working class areas are far right. But nope. Looks like your neighbours and friends are probably far right.

“75 per cent of people believe that the number of refugees Ireland is taking in is “now too many” with 19 per cent disagreeing and 6 per cent saying they did not know.”


Around 74 per cent of Fianna Fáil supporters and 70 per cent of Fine Gael supporters believe that Ireland is taking in too many refugees, in a finding that will alarm both parties.

This attitude is even stronger amongst Sinn Féin supporters, 83 per cent, and supporters of independents, 88 per cent.

The Red C poll found that 76 per cent of people agreed with the statement “I can appreciate some of the anger people feel about asylum seekers being moved into their local area.”

Around 21 per cent said they disagreed with this, and 3 per cent said they did not know.

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Anybody else sick of the line put out by the media and lefties - "shure the Irish emigrated to everywhere and shure didn't it turn out great"? The Irish emigrated to huge, largely sparsely populated countries such as the USA, Australia, New Zealand etc. and to our nearest neighbour which already had a large population i.e. they disappeared into the community there. Here we have a small island, incapable of providing properly for its existing population (housing, health, water etc) taking in huge numbers (who knows how many) of people from a myriad of different cultures with little in common with, or loyalty to, the host country.

It's hard to be certain but using data from various sources it would appear that 25% of our population were not born in the country. Many of these immigrants are very entitled, and along with the plethora of NGOs/vested interests are already demanding their rights to everything - how long before quotas are introduced for the Dail, the Gardai, the Army etc.? I'll be pushing up daisies before the chickens really come to roost but I fear for the future for my children as much as anything else.

[isha]

In my honest opinion it is not about saving refugees - which I wholly support. Bring Yemenese people here and help as many as we can.
But this is not what is happening.

It's because capital has been globalised and it suits the very rich and powerful people who have globalised their finances to have globalised movement of proles who will provide cheap labour. It's a planetary thing. The very powerful playing baubles across a game board.

[Del.Monte]

And the Brendan O'Connor Show this morning trying to spin out of the 75% of people in the latest Red C poll who think we are taking in too many refugees by saying the poll is nuanced and the far right blah, blah...

[isha]

The poll will be taken again using only government employees, employees of relevant NGOs, media spin doctors and loyal mouthpieces, and privileged dwellers in the leafy suburbs of cities whose very large gardens oddly enough have not been deployed as summer encampments for refugees.

[Apelles]

I'd say of course most people here would like to help any immigrants that are in real danger, but the government have made such a balls of handling the whole thing, people don't trust them to tell the truth about this situation. It doesn't mean 3/4 of us are all right wing fascists, just concerned its getting out of control. It could also mean that the current ruling parties, are gonna take a massive hammering in the next election . . whenever that happens.

[isha]

Related piece of information I found out today that I had not known. Just for comparison purposes.


France has 6.7 million foreign born immigrants presently residing there.
France has a population of 67.75 million.
10.3% of all of France's population in this moment are foreign born immigrants.
France is just under 550,000 km square in size.

Britain has 10 million foreign born immigrants living there presently.
Britain has a population of 67.33 million.
16.8% of all of Britain's population are foreign born immigrants.
Britain is just under 250,000 km square in size.

There are lots of different demographically, historically, politically, and sociologically interesting things one can extrapolate from these figures, including using the statistics for what is called "future studies" and predictive modelling. I just found it informative as I had no idea

[isha]

I'd say of course most people here would like to help any immigrants that are in real danger, but the government have made such a balls of handling the whole thing, people don't trust them to tell the truth about this situation. It doesn't mean 3/4 of us are all right wing fascists, just concerned its getting out of control. It could also mean that the current ruling parties, are gonna take a massive hammering in the next election . . whenever that happens.

The problem about different political options is Sinn Fein is fully onboard and any parties who express reservations to a Come All Ye immigration policy are covert bible bashers (frankly).

[Del.Monte]

The problem about different political options is Sinn Fein is fully onboard and any parties who express reservations to a Come All Ye immigration policy are covert bible bashers (frankly).

SF probably view the bulk of new arrivals as future minimum wage employees and potential voters for their wonderful party. When will see see the first immigrant Shinner TD - sure we've already had a 'pseudo' protestant one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violet-Anne_Wynne

[isha]

I don't mind legitimate immigrants being involved in the political scene of the country to which they have immigrated. Perhaps after a certain length of time. Eg if I got legitimate immigrant status in New Zealand or Japan or somewhere, maybe after some years I would like to be involved in politics. My issue is with economic migrants being called refugees and accommodated at the expense of the state. Why? I can't go to Canada and get a house, and weekly income handed to me just because I reckon Vancouver Island suits me better than these hostile, clay-ridden (beautiful) hills.

[Setanta]

I don't mind legitimate immigrants being involved in the political scene of the country to which they have immigrated. Perhaps after a certain length of time. Eg if I got legitimate immigrant status in New Zealand or Japan or somewhere, maybe after some years I would like to be involved in politics. My issue is with economic migrants being called refugees and accommodated at the expense of the state. Why? I can't go to Canada and get a house, and weekly income handed to me just because I reckon Vancouver Island suits me better than these hostile, clay-ridden (beautiful) hills.

Pretty certain refugees aren't allowed work here upon arrival,and must wait a minimum of 20 weeks to allow processing


Economic migrants is an misnomer there



That being said the EU is well able to seal the borders to russian men fleeing conscription,the notion they aren't worthy of refugee status grates on me,when you see the slaughter that happens to em and will over the summer

[isha]

Yes I disagree with the dehumanisation and hate speech against ordinary Russians that has gone on.

Most of the people arriving here are economic migrants. They are being processed as if refugees as that is the way the system has been set up. Remember a few years ago the various words refugee, economic migrant, etc were gathered together under one term - seeking international protection. This was purposely done to allow intake of economic migrants to hopefully offset longer term demographic issues re pensions and the labour force in Ireland.

It's very cynical. Read the article I linked earlier about this in the Times last week. Our biggest (by far) incoming source of "refugees" is from Georgia. There is no reason to be a refugee from Georgia.. they want jobs on the buildings but it's easier to come and claim "asylum" than to go through the work visa channels.

[Setanta]

Yes I disagree with the dehumanisation and hate speech against ordinary Russians that has gone on.

Most of the people arriving here are economic migrants. They are being processed as if refugees as that is the way the system has been set up. Remember a few years ago the various words refugee, economic migrant, etc were gathered together under one term - seeking international protection. This was purposely done to allow intake of economic migrants to hopefully offset longer term demographic issues re pensions and the labour force in Ireland.

It's very cynical. Read the article I linked earlier about this in the Times last week. Our biggest (by far) incoming source of "refugees" is from Georgia. There is no reason to be a refugee from Georgia.. they want jobs on the buildings but it's easier to come and claim "asylum" than to go through the work visa channels.

If they aren't allowed work,the term economic migrant is at best a misnomer and at worst misleading populism IMO


Overwhelming most of the people arriving here last week were tourists,pretty same for any country,anyone arriving here to work is an economic migrant,but thousands of our own left last week for same purpose (likely will myself before end of the year)


Is Georgia not someway entangled within Russia region,and had civil war relatively recently,it could be potentially with the dragging on of this war in Ukraine that old rivilaries are reeemerging and old scores from civil war would be wanting settled??

,I certainly remember ould lads from the civil war era here,openly wanting to murder/dispise their neighbours from "other" side

[isha]

No Georgia is one of the fastest growing economies in Eastern Europe, with excellent economic prospects going forward. It's got a great digital economy like Lithuania/Latvia. There is no reason for us Irish taxpayers to pay for the accommodation, food, health care and weekly benefits+ for the 3300 Georgians who arrived here last year.

[isha]

If they aren't allowed work,the term economic migrant is at best a misnomer and at worst misleading populism IMO

Populism is a word that has been hijacked. It reads now as racist, far right, bigoted.
I explained quite clearly why people migrating looking for work elect to enter the international protection service in Ireland. They are not refugees.

PS when you travel as an economic migrant - as I spent years doing before - you will be expected to provide your own housing, and to have sufficient funds on you upon entry to cover you until you are paid. If you are not in the EU you will not be entitled to claim any benefit if you don't secure work and accommodation for yourself. In most countries you will need a work visa and must go through a process before leaving your home country to show evidence of prospective employer, sponsor or a bank balance that will support you until you establish yourself. Try it in Japan or Canada or Australia or India or Kenya and report back to us.

Why are people pretending the world is different than it is?

[Setanta]

No Georgia is one of the fastest growing economies in Eastern Europe, with excellent economic prospects going forward. It's got a great digital economy like Lithuania/Latvia. There is no reason for us Irish taxpayers to pay for the accommodation, food, health care and weekly benefits+ for the 3300 Georgians who arrived here last year.

So Georgia didn't have a civil war relatively recently,that present security situation could see old wounds opened and people potentially seek old scores settled?


You can't within grounds of reason, just handwave away context,when it deosnt suit a narrative....that is breeding ground for conspiracies, as why establishment as per usual,wants and demands context to be shouted down and not allowed be pointed out

[Setanta]

Populism is a word that has been hijacked. It reads now as racist, far right, bigoted.
I explained quite clearly why people migrating looking for work elect to enter the international protection service in Ireland. They are not refugees.

PS when you travel as an economic migrant - as I spent years doing before - you will be expected to provide your own housing, and to have sufficient funds on you upon entry to cover you until you are paid. If you are not in the EU you will not be entitled to claim any benefit if you don't secure work and accommodation for yourself. In most countries you will need a work visa and must go through a process before leaving your home country to show evidence of prospective employer, sponsor or a bank balance that will support you until you establish yourself. Try it in Japan or Canada or Australia or India or Kenya and report back to us.

Why are people pretending the world is different than it is?

And again,if you can't work,would someone labeling yous as an economic migrant is either, a misinformed and using a misnomer,or deliberately misleading populism


To my eyes,someone being an economic migrant,would be someone whom works ....it deosnt stack up in reality otherwise

[isha]

Okay whatever I'm out. It's just ridiculous arguments. Good luck getting accommodation and benefits wherever you happen to rock up looking for "asylum".
PS The great civil war of Georgia that ended 30 years ago. Let's take in the whole populations of all the former Soviet republics just in case people get antsy with each other

[Setanta]

Okay whatever I'm out. It's just ridiculous arguments. Good luck getting accommodation and benefits wherever you happen to rock up looking for "asylum".
PS The great civil war of Georgia that ended 30 years ago. Let's take in the whole populations of all the former Soviet republics just in case people get antsy with each other

Russia and Georgia fought a follow on war from the civil war relatively recently and still occupies a part of Georgia,I mean I wouldn't blame Georgians for using Russia difficulty to their credit and settle old scores particularly in occupied areas.....civil war bitterness travels for generations,my folks wouldnt shop in certain shops in local village due to it here.....30 years is nothing,ask the bloody Sunday families of their views of lance corporal Dave James cleary and why his most famous killing ground is still a recruitment area for dissidents,despite it being a 12 min spree over 50 years ago (admittedely contextual poor there!)



Pointing out context,is not a ridiculous argument,why the establishment won't allow it and demand it be shouted down is very curious and worthy of further investigation

[jmayo]

A few things.
1. Yes the Irish immigrated, but we got fook all handouts wherever we went.
Yeah some went on the dole in UK from 80s onward but it was a small minority.

2. Are we supposed to take in everyone from every single war zone, from every single despotic shytehole in the world ?
Common sense has long departed and being replaced with moronic feel good bolloxology.

3. The powers that be, the do gooder classes, the trough feeding NGOs, the media love conflating legitimate refugees fleeing actual wars, legal visa holding workers and fooking chancers rocking up claiming X, Y and Z usually with no domcumentary evidence.
You get priceless shyte thrown out that all these chancers have been vetted by authorities so there is nothing for the womenfolk of some rural village to worry about.

We have no fecking idea how many Anis Amris we really are getting.
BTW he was the supposed refugee taken in from boat in the Med by Italy where he tried to burn down ayslum accommodation, spent some time in jail to eventually turn up killing 12 people in Berlin.

We should put up a plaque in Dublin Airport that uses a reworked version of Emma Lazarus’s famous 1883 poem “The New Colossus”

"Give me your chancers, your unskilled, your phone toting male masses yearning to spread misogyny, the wretched refuse of your backwards kip. Send these, the homeless, the airline and smuggler dinghy tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside some celtic tiger era white elephant building in the ar**hole of nowhere!”