IMMIGRATION OUT OF CONTROL

[Jack The Stripper]

Can treasure Ireland take in a million or two from Uganda? Yes we can.

[Jack The Stripper]

Courtown today blew its pressure release valve.

[isha]

I'd like to report hate speech in the form of an-....dun dun dunnnn... Anti-Immigration MANIFESTO

The culprit is Ylva Johannson. She has been hiding in plain sight, pretending not to be a fascist by first being elected as a full on communist in 1988 in Sweden, now serving as European Commissioner for Home Affairs since 2019. She previously served in the government of Sweden as Minister for Schools from 1994 to 1998, as Minister for Welfare and Elderly Healthcare from 2004 to 2006, and as Minister for Employment from 2014 to 2019. She has been a member of Swedish Social Democrat party since the early 90s and is said to be very much on the left of that left wing party.

Fair dues to her, she has been hiding herself behind all that socialism for a very long time!

“An effective and common EU system for returns is a central pillar of well-functioning and credible migration and asylum systems, as well as of the comprehensive approach of the New Pact on Migration and Asylum. An effective and common EU system for returns should also serve as a deterrent to help reduce unsafe and irregular migration,” reads a statement of the Commission announcing the new proposal.

The strategy focuses on four main areas, which are:

Modernise and optimise the return procedures in each EU Member State while fully respecting fundamental rights, including here protection of the personal data of those being returned
Increase voluntary returns and the reintegration of those returned in the society in their home country, as well as foster more sustainable returns in a bid to increase returns overall
Facilitating a more collaborative and coherent EU approach to return among the Member States, the Commission and EU border agency Frontex while taking account of the general relations with third-country partners
Improve the data and statistical evidence based on return while building a more targeted, planned and efficient return policy and common operational response capability

“We are making progress on Migration EU, but we need to work together,” Commissioner for Home Affairs, Ylva Johansson, said during a press point with the EU Return Coordinator, Mari Juritsch.

More migrants who do not meet the requirements to enter or remain in the European Union should return to their country, the European Commissioner for Home Affairs said on Tuesday (January 24).

"Those who are not entitled to stay in the European Union must be sent back to their country of origin," said Ylva Johansson, who together with EU Return Coordinator Mari Juritsch, presented a new returns strategy during a press conference in Brussels to ensure more repatriations.

The bloc has been striving for a higher repatriation rate for irregular migrants for years.

[Setanta]

I'd like to report hate speech in the form of an-....dun dun dunnnn... Anti-Immigration MANIFESTO

The culprit is Ylva Johannson. She has been hiding in plain sight, pretending not to be a fascist by first being elected as a full on communist in 1988 in Sweden, now serving as European Commissioner for Home Affairs since 2019. She previously served in the government of Sweden as Minister for Schools from 1994 to 1998, as Minister for Welfare and Elderly Healthcare from 2004 to 2006, and as Minister for Employment from 2014 to 2019. She has been a member of Swedish Social Democrat party since the early 90s and is said to be very much on the left of that left wing party.

Fair dues to her, she has been hiding herself behind all that socialism for a very long time!

Would it not be more her line,to critise the actions of several EU countries,whom destabilised entire continents and been treating forgien affairs actions as methodology to protract domestic interests/power??


We have several thousands (used be listed as circa 40K) of our own in America,as 'undocumented',we will never reach that number here undocumented,our own fled famine,troubles and desperation of economic circumstances here for better lives abroad.....it's wrong to critise others for doing what we have had to do(and in some cases still are)

It's a path to legality needs provided for any illegals in Europe is needed,with proviso they don't break serious laws....to empower those locked into immigration system and stymie the rise of what is effectively slave ownership as examplified by the owners of NCT and it's filipino workers, along side a proper transfer of wealth from the rich/corporation's to fund effective social and public services in europe......this mass arrest/deportation deosnt work,yanks are at it 40 years and it hasn't worked....


what makes EU politicians think they can achieve this,when they failed in their efforts to impose a ban on turf cutting??

[isha]

Would it not be more her line,to critise the actions of several EU countries,whom destabilised entire continents and been treating forgien affairs actions as methodology to protract domestic interests/power??


We have several thousands (used be listed as circa 40K) of our own in America,as 'undocumented',we will never reach that number here undocumented,our own fled famine,troubles and desperation of economic circumstances here for better lives abroad.....it's wrong to critise others for doing what we have had to do(and in some cases still are)

It's a path to legality needs provided for any illegals in Europe is needed,with proviso they don't break serious laws....to empower those locked into immigration system and stymie the rise of what is effectively slave ownership as examplified by the owners of NCT and it's filipino workers, along side a proper transfer of wealth from the rich/corporation's to fund effective social and public services in europe......this mass arrest/deportation deosnt work,yanks are at it 40 years and it hasn't worked....


what makes EU politicians think they can achieve this,when they failed in their efforts to impose a ban on turf cutting??

I agree. We live in a shit world. France, the UK, Germany, Italy etc did provide munitions and support for empire wars that have devastated the lives of people in many countries. I was among the hundreds of thousands who marched in Dublin before the Gulf Wars to try and beg governments globally not to instigate another war. However unmanaged migration will not raise all boats, it will swamp the ones we have here. It will lower wages and make us all more enslaved than we already are. Im in favour of regulated economic migration where we know the backgrounds and records of the individuals who come - just like it would be for me if I wanted to go to Australia or Canada or America etc, and excellent provision for refugees fleeing war, natural disaster, etc, to the very best of our ability without being idiotic and having the refugees sleeping on the streets. In many cases, investing SERIOUSLY in the countries and the communities that have been devastated and pillaged would probably be the very best idea.

[Setanta]

I agree. We live in a shit world. France, the UK, Germany, Italy etc did provide munitions and support for empire wars that have devastated the lives of people in many countries. I was among the hundreds of thousands who marched in Dublin before the Gulf Wars to try and beg governments globally not to instigate another war. However unmanaged migration will not raise all boats, it will swamp the ones we have here. It will lower wages and make us all more enslaved than we already are. Im in favour of regulated economic migration where we know the backgrounds and records of the individuals who come - just like it would be for me if I wanted to go to Australia or Canada or America etc, and excellent provision for refugees fleeing war, natural disaster, etc, to the very best of our ability without being idiotic and having the refugees sleeping on the streets. In many cases, investing SERIOUSLY in the countries and the communities that have been devastated and pillaged would probably be the very best idea.

There is more than enough money and resources here to raise all boats,it's just in the hands of too few people for far too long


You cannot realistically manage migration,a million fled here in 3 years during the famine,but by providing a path to legality you can ascertain how many are migrating and provide opportunities for them to succeed rather than trapping them inlow wage economy....ban the practice of paying below a living wage aswell,curtail the rental market and set rents as proportion of someone's wages



This locking people up in direct provision for years,to funnel money off taxpayer to government backers,is wrong,and an abuse of people every bit as immortal as what went on here in 20th century....there's still people locked up in mosney all these year's later.....


the establishment here is evil in its forcing of immigration without proper methodology and protections for the immigrants and locals.....the establishment who still cheerlead their bank bailout and austerity have done multiples to impoverish and ruin people's lives than any billy,jack or Joe from overseas ever will

[isha]

I don't agree with direct provision. It seems disgusting.
But a lot of what you are saying is Utopian. I am in favour of most of it but I just don't see it happening. If it does, and everything is perfect, then yes, we can be a star trek one world civilisation.

[isha]

There's also something fundamentally patronising about embracing unlimited migration. Come on to Ireland from wherever you are, it's so marvelous here! We will sort you out and you will have a better life!!

But how about all the countries that are experiencing a brain drain? A loss of their young people? The adventurous ones?

Look at Bulgaria for example. A beautiful country. I would live there tomorrow no bother. Gorgeous summers, fabulous mountains, fantastic productive land, lovely food, good grumpy locals. And there is a massive depopulation of the youth going on. It is sad to see the towns and villages in the heartlands with just old people knocking round.

Same happening in places like Albania, Romania. What about the long cultural heritage of places like Algeria, what about the youth in Afghanistan, Nigeria, Sierra Leone - that last one is a gorgeous place, I know people who live there. Africa is full of resources, beauty, young people, innovation. I have listened to some great videos by young African entrepreneurs and leaders. We here in the ''old world'' essentially, are poaching the youth now like we once poached their ores and wood and valuable metals (and still do in fairness to us!!) Villages without young people springing up. How very fcuking presumptuous of us. Supporting the people traffickers, who are in league with actual fcuking SLAVERS!!, so we can pay our pensions, get cheap labour and stave off our demographic crises.

[Setanta]

I don't agree with direct provision. It seems disgusting.
But a lot of what you are saying is Utopian. I am in favour of most of it but I just don't see it happening. If it does, and everything is perfect, then yes, we can be a star trek one world civilisation.

Its not utopian,it's basic minimum stuff,people should be expecting from a government

Its the establishment have been entrenched for so long here,but if the Catholic church can be knocked off their perch,so can the establishment......labeling people illegals,based on some EU metric of legality,and demand they be rounded up/deported, (similar that America are at with generations),isn't ever going to work long-term,or shift the establishment here,

There's not a single immigrant in the dail today,voted against extending an eviction ban,the societal problems with this country lie square and centre with the establishment

[isha]

I'm on a roll. I'll stop in a minute. But I have witnessed that Lady Bountiful Syndrome in other countries. Ex-pats who move to Bulgaria or Turkey or India, living well off their good pensions or house sales, and "charitably" employing the local people to do heavy work for very little money. Talking down to them as if they are idiots. I've listened to the conversations, how much you can get the locals to do for next to nothing. I see something similar in ostentatiously being pro immigrants and then employing then for 12 euros an hour in your clean rooms in medical device factories, or to pick your fruit and vegetables and live in dormitories, knowing they are so grateful and nervous that they won't pipe up ever to challenge the terms and conditions of employment. It's everywhere, and the very people shouting loudest pro immigration are benefitting off it either in factories or service industries, or yacking about it in their media roles or living off the misery of it in their fat cat well paid NGO jobs.

Just give everyone in the world a sustaining UBI and quit the crap.

[Jack The Stripper]

I don't agree with direct provision. It seems disgusting.
But a lot of what you are saying is Utopian. I am in favour of most of it but I just don't see it happening. If it does, and everything is perfect, then yes, we can be a star trek one world civilisation.

The right to housing bill will solve the international protection applicants. Watch your property taken off you and filled with ipa’s.

[Del.Monte]

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/soci ... ty-centre/

How on earth do these people get through immigration at Dublin airport? Just how many immigrants do the lefty do-gooders think should be allowed in? Out of control no longer describes the situation that is being allowed to develop. It can't be long before these people start occupying private property across the country. Just what percentage of the population is now made up of illegals/asylum seekers etc...I could go on but there's no point as the country has gone over the precipice.

[jmayo]

Listening to Morning Ireland today once again having a good honest frank discussion about topic with reference to recent ongoing events in Clare.

They had woman from some refugee body in Clare and a Green party senator from Clare on to discuss situation.
Of course they pointed out all these international protection candidates i.e. blokes are down in Clare to find work.

And it is much better to have them down there in the middle of nowhere than up in Dublin where the poor lads might come to some harm.

The effectively unelected (well not by ordinary citizens anyway) Green senator made reference to how some of those awful national party people were at a meeting.
I guess she (although she sounded a bit like a bloke, but you never know these days) thought the national party types are leading the poor local yokels astray as otherwise they would be cheering with open arms when upto 50 or so young male engineers and doctors arrive.

I mean how dare anyone question what these young men from God knows where with God knows what backgrounds are going to be doing in a rural area in Clare.

[kadman]

Its gone way past the stage where you can have an opinion if its in line with the government narrative, but you are a racist if its not. And Leo has clearly stated that he doesn't heed the opinions of the public anyway.
Of course you will have your chance to change all this, come the next election if you should choose to do so.

[Del.Monte]

Its gone way past the stage where you can have an opinion if its in line with the government narrative, but you are a racist if its not. And Leo has clearly stated that he doesn't heed the opinions of the public anyway.
Of course you will have your chance to change all this, come the next election if you should choose to do so.

Not really, the woke Shinners can't get enough immigrants into the country. This is probably because - contrary to the official narrative - the bulk of them won't be rocket scientists, brain surgeons etc. and will end up in poorly paid service jobs i.e. a fertile source for SF votes.

[kadman]

Not really, the woke Shinners can't get enough immigrants into the country. This is probably because - contrary to the official narrative - the bulk of them won't be rocket scientists, brain surgeons etc. and will end up in poorly paid service jobs i.e. a fertile source for SF votes.

Sure that old " blame the shinners chestnut ", and they have never been in power. You must like another 100 years of FF/FG politics

[678904673]

Not really, the woke Shinners can't get enough immigrants into the country. This is probably because - contrary to the official narrative - the bulk of them won't be rocket scientists, brain surgeons etc. and will end up in poorly paid service jobs i.e. a fertile source for SF votes.

Sorry Del. But you can't blame our failed immigration policy on Sinn Fein. This is the mess of the current government

[Del.Monte]

Sorry Del. But you can't blame our failed immigration policy on Sinn Fein. This is the mess of the current government

Not saying it's SF's fault but they won't change anything as they want to increase their pool of potential voters.

[678904673]

You'd miss Jack The Stripper on this thread

[nlgbbbblth]

Its gone way past the stage where you can have an opinion if its in line with the government narrative, but you are a racist if its not. And Leo has clearly stated that he doesn't heed the opinions of the public anyway.
Of course you will have your chance to change all this, come the next election if you should choose to do so.

On the other hand, the Left despise FF and FG who are in government

So agreeing with the government's immigration policy won't necessarily get you off the hook.

The Left will find some other reason to hate you.

[marhay70]

On the other hand, the Left despise FF and FG who are in government

So agreeing with the government's immigration policy won't necessarily get you off the hook.

The Left will find some other reason to hate you.

The Government has an immigration policy, really?

[kadman]

The Government has an immigration policy, really?

They do.

Its come on in, the water is fine


And for our own youth that have no prospects of getting homes to live here its.Here is the governments message to them.

[jmayo]

Not really, the woke Shinners can't get enough immigrants into the country. This is probably because - contrary to the official narrative - the bulk of them won't be rocket scientists, brain surgeons etc. and will end up in poorly paid service jobs i.e. a fertile source for SF votes.

I detest SF because a lot of them haven't left the gun behind and view this state as some sort of false creation.
And they are economic idiots.
Oh and they are totally in favour of the lunacy open door immigration policy of the current crowd in government.

Then again as a lifelong FG voter, I now detest all the top tier and equally all the ones below them who continously support them.
I have always detested the FF cesspoll since the days of Haughey.
Bertie, Cowan and the sleeveen from Cork have done nothing to dissuade me from that opinion, only copper fastened it.

So it will be vote for independents and SF.
FG and FF need a serious kicking and if voting for SF does that then so be it.
Hell at this stage I vote for the religious loons if they turned up with jackboots and a crucifix.

I won't even mention those fookers in the Green Party who should be composited as the ultimate sacrifice to save the planet.

[isha]

Just in passing today I came across this chart

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I was curious about Georgia since we have so many refugees claiming asylum from there.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_(country)

Georgia is a bit smaller than Ireland and has 3.7 million population. So about the same population density as us. It's presently recorded as one of the fastest growing economies in Eastern Europe. You can read about it in the Wikipedia link above.

Why are we supposed to be providing free housing, healthcare, and income to thousands of Georgians?
If I go down through that list, the countries I see as potentially genuine from the point of view of asylum seeking are places like Afghanistan, Ukraine, Syria, the Congo, maybe Uganda. A few others. But as for the thousands from elsewhere, I don't know what would genuinely qualify them for refugee status. I know life might not be all roses where they are, but we can't take everyone from where life isn't all roses. We could do more investment in such places.

[marhay70]

Just in passing today I came across this chart

20230521_072705.jpg

I was curious about Georgia since we have so many refugees claiming asylum from there.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_(country)

Georgia is a bit smaller than Ireland and has 3.7 million population. So about the same population density as us. It's presently recorded as one of the fastest growing economies in Eastern Europe. You can read about it in the Wikipedia link above.

Why are we supposed to be providing free housing, healthcare, and income to thousands of Georgians?
If I go down through that list, the countries I see as potentially genuine from the point of view of asylum seeking are places like Afghanistan, Ukraine, Syria, the Congo, maybe Uganda. A few others. But as for the thousands from elsewhere, I don't know what would genuinely qualify them for refugee status. I know life might not be all roses where they are, but we can't take everyone from where life isn't all roses. We could do more investment in such places.

We have asylum seekers from the US???
My question is and has been. 99% of the countries stated on this list have no direct transport links to Ireland, so these people must have travelled through another country that does have direct transport links. Why did they not seek asylum there, why, when they arrived here and said they were seeking international protection, were they not immediately put on a plane and sent back to that country to apply there?