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Mirabeau wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 8:45 am Keelings and every contract cleaning company in Ireland.
Aramark are evil,

I don't care what taxes they pay, fcuk them out of our country....god it's refreshing to say this,without some melt along to cheerlead for em
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Setanta wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:20 am Aramark are evil,

I don't care what taxes they pay, fcuk them out of our country....god it's refreshing to say this,without some melt along to cheerlead for em
I went to their website to find out what they are as I never heard of them, and I'm afraid I still have no clue. Planet savers, it sounds like...
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For a start, I'll leave the Ukraine situation aside. They are fleeing a war situation and I have every sympathy with them, also they are similar to us in culture.
I'd like to know what the countries these other immigrants came from, have to say. Most of the "asylum seekers" from the Middle East, sub Saharan Africa and Asia, came here from another European country, most of them didn't come in the back of a container, or on a rubber dinghy so, how did they get here and why can't we apply to the country they came from, to repatriate them there and have them explain how they got off the Continent of Europe without documents?
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Ukrainians can f off too.
Not our war.
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Mirabeau wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 1:03 pm Ukrainians can f off too.
Not our war.
That was Chamberlain's attitude in 1938 about Czechoslovakia and that didn't end well.
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isha wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:32 am I went to their website to find out what they are as I never heard of them, and I'm afraid I still have no clue. Planet savers, it sounds like...
Specialist in getting state contracts for food,in particular,and serve up utter rubbish to people in desperate conditions while profiteering off them and the tax payer

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland ... -1.3684032

The worst of the worst of capitalism, encouraged by our government
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marhay70 wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 1:37 pm That was Chamberlain's attitude in 1938 about Czechoslovakia and that didn't end well.
Stupid comparison.
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Mirabeau wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 2:07 pm Stupid comparison.
In your opinion.
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marhay70 wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 2:26 pm In your opinion.
In facts.
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Mirabeau wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 1:03 pm Ukrainians can f off too.
Not our war.
If there's any poor fcukers need shelter it's them


(though I know your not really allowed say this,but I taught the EU refusing shelter to Russians potentially caught up in a draft was wrong.....they allow every other sketchy case in/be examined,as is reasonable/right......but people literally fleeing forced involvement into a war.. EU solution....lock the gates)
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Mirabeau wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 2:07 pm Stupid comparison.
I’d agree it’s much more like the Cuban missile crisis. Kennedy vowed to invade Cuba and wipe them out if they put the missiles there and was regarded as a hero. I wouldn’t be happy taking in an influx of Cubans just because their government don’t want to give up their weapons. The two largest nuclear powers are risking a nuclear confrontation.

It was another 4 years after the invasion of Czechoslovakia that the Manhattan project began.

Result:
  • Publicized removal of the Soviet Union's nuclear missiles from Cuba
  • Non-publicized removal of American nuclear missiles from Turkey and Italy
  • Agreement with the Soviet Union that the United States would never invade Cuba without direct provocation
  • Creation of a nuclear hotline between the United States and the Soviet Union
Instead during this conflict everyone is looking for more missiles, more tanks, more mortars more drones more everything. It should be less.
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No, they can all piss off back to where they came from.
We don't owe them anything.
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Mirabeau wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 6:46 pm No, they can all piss off back to where they came from.
We don't owe them anything.
Could not agree more.

Seeking asylum used to mean fleeing war, now it’s any idiot wanting a free ride.

Plus I guarantee these bludgers whining on the radio aren’t here direct from their country but from the UK where they are finally trying to clamp down on them.
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Ukrainians from affected regions should be allowed to come here, outside of that, they should have to prove where they're coming from. Most of the Western part of the country hasnt been anywhere near as affected as the east. I know it may not be legally possible to do so but there should be a cap on the amount of social welfare they're receiving also, the money they get should be similar to other refugees/asylum seekers get. Its quite clear its a major motivation for many in coming here as they have to come through other countries to get to us where the social welfare isnt nearly as strong.

Any other 'asylum seekers' from other countries, there should be a complete ban until we get our own house in order at least. Its an absolute disgrace what Varadkar, O'Gorman and Helen McEntee are getting away with here at the expense of the Irish tax payer.
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Reading that prick from Afghanistan saying we are as bad as the Taliban because we won’t bend over and give him a free house and free money the second he arrives here - should be on the next fcking plane back to wherever he slithered in from.
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Worrying times for the government with regards to the recent poll. I think maybe the irish people feel that their needs have been relegated to a lower position in their own country. I think this was allowed to develop into the hardening of attitudes that came out in this poll. It was bound to happen really

Irish people should come first in their own country, and diplomacy should have been the number 1 option into putting an end to this war, not the ever growing balance sheet of western power weapons manufacturers.

A new poll shows attitudes a hardening of public attitudes towards refugees, with 49% of people surveyed saying they are unhappy with the government's handling of the crisis.
The Business Post reports that 45% of people would not support the construction of modular homes to house Ukrainian refugees in their area.

But the poll shows support for modular housing without planning permission if it is to house people on social housing waiting lists, with 63% in favour and only 27% opposed.
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Heard about this wonderful individual https://gazette.com/news/us-world/rhein ... dc016.html on the Beeb last night. How selfless can one individual be working flat out to profit from the war/do his bit to help poor little ole Ukraine. :roll:
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aidhor8319 wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 2:18 pm Ukrainians from affected regions should be allowed to come here, outside of that, they should have to prove where they're coming from. Most of the Western part of the country hasnt been anywhere near as affected as the east. I know it may not be legally possible to do so but there should be a cap on the amount of social welfare they're receiving also, the money they get should be similar to other refugees/asylum seekers get. Its quite clear its a major motivation for many in coming here as they have to come through other countries to get to us where the social welfare isnt nearly as strong.

Any other 'asylum seekers' from other countries, there should be a complete ban until we get our own house in order at least. Its an absolute disgrace what Varadkar, O'Gorman and Helen McEntee are getting away with here at the expense of the Irish tax payer.
It's not about the taxpayer as even if Ireland had more money than it knew what to do with, allowing immigration at current levels is a recipe for disaster - and the fools don't get why the "far right" (ordinary joes for the most part I suspect) are gaining in popularity. I'd like to see conscription here ASAP and restricted to just TDs, Senators and Councillors (and party members of the three government parties) , and then they can be sent to the Ukraine. Literally killing two birds with one stone.
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Del.Monte wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 3:52 pm It's not about the taxpayer as even if Ireland had more money than it knew what to do with, allowing immigration at current levels is a recipe for disaster - and the fools don't get why the "far right" (ordinary joes for the most part I suspect) are gaining in popularity. I'd like to see conscription here ASAP and restricted to just TDs, Senators and Councillors (and party members of the three government parties) , and then they can be sent to the Ukraine. Literally killing two birds with one stone.
Argued with one of these open border knobs the other day - whining on about population density and how we had the room.

Says I - so all we need is space, that’s the only criterion??

“Of course - we have the space, we’re not full - we should take in more”.

“Then why are they bitching about accommodations, money, heating, etc - if it’s just about space then they should be happy they are safe.”

“Well erm ….”
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kadman wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 3:27 pm Worrying times for the government with regards to the recent poll. I think maybe the irish people feel that their needs have been relegated to a lower position in their own country. I think this was allowed to develop into the hardening of attitudes that came out in this poll. It was bound to happen really

Irish people should come first in their own country, and diplomacy should have been the number 1 option into putting an end to this war, not the ever growing balance sheet of western power weapons manufacturers.
I think,despite the endless propaganda to say otherwise,the penny is starting to drop,that this war in Ukraine isn't ending any time soon

Like,noone I know,has issue with the help given to Ukrainians,but why isn't same being done for own,or why wasn't it done all along.....

The establishment are using homeless figures,and house commencements as a political football,while the people of country suffering with years and vast swades of the youth emigrating with little prospect of returning home,to any reasonable quality of life,or prospects to make a life here....if this is,as we are repeatedly told "progress/sucess",what is failure like?
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The thread title says Immigration out of control, and I'm sure passing observers might read that as a right wing dog whistle - ie we have too many of those dreadful immigrants, there's no control on our borders etc.

But I think, for what it's worth, that immigration is out of control because our government have made false promises and over extended our countries possible resources. What the minister is calling for now - halls - is ludicrous. A hall with camp beds and minimal toilet and wash facilities is okay for scouts on a long weekend but for families, or even these single unaccompanied men who O Gorman admits up front are the majority, it's just a dreadful proposition. We have allowed in thousands of people who have travelled here from safe countries, people seeking to avail of our offered social welfare and housing, and now we simply can't properly facilitate those who TRULY need refuge. And anyone who said months ago it would be that way was literally called a racist or far right. Two of the most horrible things you could be, and, nearly as bad, be called. We live in a time of virtuous lying.

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2023/0 ... on-appeal/
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To me the war in Ukraine has brought all this to a head, and with the current mass mobilisation taking place in Ukraine you will have more people fleeing / getting out of the country to avoid being used as cannon fodder against the Russians. Don't blame them would do the same myself. This is causing pressures all over the EU not just Ireland. I think it is shameful that people are protesting outside buildings housing refugees, bad enough you have to leave your home and community and make your way to a foreign land having to look at lazy fookers who won't make the effort and stand outside leinster house where the protests should be.
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KHD wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 8:28 am To me the war in Ukraine has brought all this to a head, and with the current mass mobilisation taking place in Ukraine you will have more people fleeing / getting out of the country to avoid being used as cannon fodder against the Russians. Don't blame them would do the same myself. This is causing pressures all over the EU not just Ireland. I think it is shameful that people are protesting outside buildings housing refugees, bad enough you have to leave your home and community and make your way to a foreign land having to look at lazy fookers who won't make the effort and stand outside leinster house where the protests should be.
I think we should take all the Ukrainians we can.
I think we should not take Albanians or Georgians popping over from London, or people from anywhere else where they are not directly in present danger. For those people, bored in the village or sick of where they live because it's not groovy, there are legitimate visa application channels they can apply through, same as I could if I was fed up of the rain and thought Australia or New Zealand might suit me better.
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Listening to RTE this morning, the situation is completely out of control and going to get a great deal worse. The thread title is in bold - I wish that I could change it now - I must have been particularly annoyed when I started it or half asleep.

I am not right wing - whatever that actually means - I believe in a country having sane border controls and immigration policies. Ireland doesn't. I don't like the country being full of entitled people whatever their origin or ethnicity; I don't like our towns and cities being full of rough sleepers; people begging and worse; I don't like criminals being let in here willy-nilly; I don't like the fact that it's becoming impossible for our own people to buy a home; I don't like the glut of foreigners coming in allowing employers to keep workers on menial wages; I don't like to see the situation creating a fertile ground for scum like the National Party to attract support etc.etc.... Called me old fashioned or call me far right - I'm past caring as this place (Ireland not GUBU) is going rapidly down the drain.
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isha wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 8:37 am I think we should take all the Ukrainians we can.
I think we should not take Albanians or Georgians popping over from London, or people from anywhere else where they are not directly in present danger. For those people, bored in the village or sick of where they live because it's not groovy, there are legitimate visa application channels they can apply through, same as I could if I was fed up of the rain and thought Australia or New Zealand might suit me better.
I'm all for controlling our borders, no matter if it's Ukrainians or whoever, its important to know the background of the people coming into the country. I'd say there is absolutely no background checks whatsoever done on any migrants coming into the country. But as I said the Ukrainian thing is different in that it is an immediate issue and one that cannot be solved until the war in Ukraine ends. That's the reality.

It's amazing that there is no real anti war movement now in either the EU or America like there was years ago..Instead we have national political leaders being allowed by us to do fook all but nod their heads on the current childish and dangerous behaviour of our political elites in Brussels. The likes of the Vonderleyens, Borrells and that idiot Boris Johnson need a good kick up in the hole. Not only are they telling blatant lies to their audiences and getting away with it, but are under no pressure whatsoever from national parliaments to do anything except do the bidding of the US state dept. There was a time I thought the EU was out for the EU's interests and its citizens but the past year it has become quiet clear to me that the EU is just an obedient US vassel that will willfully destroy the cohesion and economies of the countries in the EU in the pursuit of wagging the neocon dog's delusional aspirations in the states.

History won't be kind to any of these cowboys in years to come when we look back at all of this.

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