Hate Speech Law

[Diamonds of Frost]

Senator Michael McDowell has made an excellent intervention in this with a letter to Simon Harris, Minister for Justice.




So Harris has to provide absolute clarity on what transgender and “a gender other than those of male and female” means.

Given that recently politicians have struggled and deflected when asked for clarity on what a woman is, it will be interesting to hear Harris' answer.

He can't just brush it off. This is a formal request from a Senator who will be asked to vote on the bill.

I am getting popcorn in.

There are only two genders, male and female. Surely that isn't in dispute. Or is this where 'cis' and the likes come in? Cis gender is still being either a man or a woman. This stuff boggles my mind.

[Kaiser]

It's very simple as you said. There's 2 genders - male and female. You're one or the other.

All the rest that "modern" society is struggling with are identities based on feelings or opinions. That's fine (your life is your own), but it doesn't negate biological or historical facts, nor does it make anyone else wrong or "hateful" for not agreeing with your personal view or validating it. All they are obliged to do is be civil and tolerant.

Ultimately it comes down to whether one values the former or the latter more - feelings vs facts.

Personally speaking I was always an "each to their own so long as it's legal and no one is getting hurt" kinda person, but I find myself becoming more and more resentful with being constantly told by our media and (increasingly) politicians that not only am I wrong, I'm a bigot/phobic/whatever and that I must not only accept but celebrate and advocate for things that just don't stand up to even basic scrutiny.

Sorry but no.. As I said, a person is free to believe whatever they wish to believe but that is as far as it goes. They don't have the right to enforce that belief on anyone else. It never ceases to amuse how these supposedly liberal and open-minded people that are the loudest on these matters are actually quite rigid and indeed totalitarian when it comes to feelings and opinions that they disagree with.

The larger problem of course is how Irish society seems to soak up the worst of these American-led identity politics, cultural issues and divisions. Certain elements of our own generally peaceful, easy-going and accepting society seem determined to cause the same problems here that are tearing the US apart. All because that same element have a "need" to be liked, approved of, or given a pat on the head - especially by their perceived "betters!"

Progress eh!

[Seanybiker]

Personally speaking I was always an "each to their own so long as it's legal and no one is getting hurt" kinda person, but I find myself becoming more and more resentful with being constantly told by our media and (increasingly) politicians that not only am I wrong, I'm a bigot/phobic/whatever and that I must not only accept but celebrate and advocate for things that just don't stand up to even basic scrutiny.

I think most people are the same . Nobody ever gave a shite if someone wanted to dress as a woman and have the craic or whatever. Or even the just think they where actually a woman, that grand as long as you dont go around fecking everyone off about it. Men in dresses telling women what a woman is really boils my piss though. A man will never know what its like to be a woman same way as a woman will never know what its like to be a man.


Yer ma is not yer Da.

[jmayo]

I used to often use the phrase
"if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle"
but the lunacy of the last number of years has put paid to that.

The Western world (US, Europe, Australia, NZ, etc) is going up it's own ass debating what is a woman while the powers in Asia are figuring out how to rule the world for the rest of this century.

As I think Douglas Murray eloquently put it, a lot of people just realise they aren't very unique or different and are just looking for bloody attention.
There is almost a mass psychosis at play.

With all the issues Ireland faces, we have retarded clowns in government and their media lackies, trying to shove shyte down our throats.

Ever notice nearly every single day on radio recently we have foreigners, and not legitimate visa holding ones neither, telling us how bad we are and how we need to cater for even more of their ilk.
Well if we are so bad, so detestable then fook right off, no one bar a bunch of self serving morons and trough feeders ever invited you here.

Now how many of the new proposed hate speech rules did I infringe.

[nlgbbbblth]

I used to often use the phrase
"if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle"
but the lunacy of the last number of years has put paid to that.

Actually, I must try and use that in conversation again.

Someone recently sprayed "BRITS OUT" down an alleyway near me

Great to see.

[Diamonds of Frost]

Actually, I must try and use that in conversation again.

Someone recently sprayed "BRITS OUT" down an alleyway near me

Great to see.

Really?

[Del.Monte]

Actually, I must try and use that in conversation again.

Someone recently sprayed "BRITS OUT" down an alleyway near me

Great to see.

Very contemporary.

[nlgbbbblth]

Really?

It was so incongruous and out of time that its presence in 2023 seems refreshing.

I also heard about a man who recently lit up a cigarette in someone's house without asking. Imagine that!

[WokeHogan]

I understand that there is a video circulating of a little boy in Navan being beaten half to death in a homophobic attack.

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In all seriousness, anyone who distributes that video, or downloads it, should be ashamed of themselves. Deriving gratification from violence towards a child. The distribution and downloading of beheading videos, or videos with violence towards children, should be as illegal and taboo as child pornography. Ethically, and morally, they're the same thing.

[isha]

Unfortunately I saw a snippet of that video as I scrolled on Twitter. The animals involved in assaulting that poor lad should do proper jail time. I'm sick of this shit. There was another I read about today where some animal posted to Snapchat about how he had hit a class mate over the back of the head with a metal holder for science utensils. That child was also hospitalised. These schools or teenagers violence things should be treated as the actions of psychopaths. Severe punishment. No mitigation considered. Just get them into prison.

(The above post presuming delight in others to watch such videos is verging towards weird, to be frank. But sure, you do you.)

[isha]

https://waterford-news.ie/2023/05/15/ga ... ty-school/

This was the other assault I read about today.

[Del.Monte]

Common assault for whatever reason is just that and should be dealt with accordingly. People no matter what their sexual preference/colour etc. should be able to walk down the street, attend school or whatever without some disgusting specimen(s) from the lower end of the gene pool feeling free to attack them.

[Apelles]

I have no interest nor do I ever go looking for violent videos that might make news headlines, however . . that clip of the schoolboy being attacked was just shown on The Tonight Show. What a horrific broad daylight attack, the poor lad and his family must be devastated. I'd really of expected these types of incidents to be a thing of the past by now, given the amount of social commentary and supposed awareness the subject of bullying gets in the media. Is it not being taught well enough in our schools? Do they not discuss how not to harbour hate towards another's differences? Obviously the message isn't getting through to the right people. Maybe more emphasis should be put on encouraging parents to nurture empathy in their children.

[marhay70]

I have no interest nor do I ever go looking for violent videos that might make news headlines, however . . that clip of the schoolboy being attacked was just shown on The Tonight Show. What a horrific broad daylight attack, the poor lad and his family must be devastated. I'd really of expected these types of incidents to be a thing of the past by now, given the amount of social commentary and supposed awareness the subject of bullying gets in the media. Is it not being taught well enough in our schools? Do they not discuss how not to harbour hate towards another's differences? Obviously the message isn't getting through to the right people. Maybe more emphasis should be put on encouraging parents to nurture empathy in their children.

The answer to your question is there every day when you read the papers or listen to the news. Offenders are not required to answer for their offences, simple as that. When that starts to happen we may see some reduction in the number of crimes being perpetrated against people and property but while scumbags view the law as a bit of a joke with no fear or consequence for them, nothing will change

[Diamonds of Frost]

I haven't seen the video nor will I. I am fascinated and horrified by young people who carry out such attacks. I can't fathom the motivation or the capacity. They exist very far away from me and I am well aware of my darker elements. At first I assumed that empathy was missing and also understanding that another person has feelings and a whole existence just like they do but now I wonder if they have a type of selective empathy. Is that even a thing? I don't know. If a parent of theirs was in bother would they rush to help? If their best friend spoke about having a hard time would they listen? I think that's possible. The same care doesn't exist for a kid who they deem is different to them. And I don't believe for one minute it was a homophobic attack. The poor lad could have been wearing unusual clothes, spoke with a lisp, short for his age, obese, whatever. It's difference that is the target.

[Diamonds of Frost]

The answer to your question is there every day when you read the papers or listen to the news. Offenders are not required to answer for their offences, simple as that. When that starts to happen we may see some reduction in the number of crimes being perpetrated against people and property but while scumbags view the law as a bit of a joke with no fear or consequence for them, nothing will change

I'm not sure if tougher sentencing will make a difference to certain people but I do agree it needs to happen. That women who made numerous false accusations which ruined others lives only received 6 years with a few suspended I think. 10 with none suspended is what she should have received. My mind boggles when I read about some of them.

[DeletedUser]

MP in the UK prosecuted for a "racially motivated public order offence" for telling a Bahrain based agitator/activist (depending on your poison) to "go back to Bahrain.

I have an English accent although I've lived and paid taxes here for donkey's years and was brought up Irish from when I could crawl.

If laddo from Wexford told me to "sod off back to England" - would I be able to have them similarly prosecuted ? I think not!!!

[marhay70]

MP in the UK prosecuted for a "racially motivated public order offence" for telling a Bahrain based agitator/activist (depending on your poison) to "go back to Bahrain.

I have an English accent although I've lived and paid taxes here for donkey's years and was brought up Irish from when I could crawl.

If laddo from Wexford told me to "sod off back to England" - would I be able to have them similarly prosecuted ? I think not!!!

It would appear that anybody can come into the EU, abuse our hospitality, insult our culture(s) and live high off our generosity and we can't say boo to them when they get out of line. This is wokeism taken just a bit too far for my liking. I'm prepared to help anybody in need of a hand up but when they start coming up with a handful of dirt into your face, that is the time to draw the line.

[nlgbbbblth]

Andrew Fitzpatrick hates you all

[DeletedUser]

It would appear that anybody can come into the EU, abuse our hospitality, insult our culture(s) and live high off our generosity and we can't say boo to them when they get out of line. This is wokeism taken just a bit too far for my liking. I'm prepared to help anybody in need of a hand up but when they start coming up with a handful of dirt into your face, that is the time to draw the line.

Sadly never a truer word spoken

[DeletedUser]

Andrew Fitzpatrick hates you all

I’ve no idea who he is but he’s a cnut.

[kadman]

WE talk about accountability for crimes by young people, but respect for the law and accountability has to start from the top down. Our own politicians have little regard for the rule of law, and dont believe they are accountable for any misdeed, whether it be big or small.
How do we then expect youngsters to have any regard for law and order.

[jmayo]

I’ve no idea who he is but he’s a cnut.

Looks like a clown that thinks he should be in a tribute act to Crosby, Stills and Nash.

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Andrew Fitzpatrick hates you all

What a disgusting, authoritarian scumbag. Would have ratted you out under Mao.

And anti SWERF. Always interesting when self proclaimed "feminist" men are so eager for people to be working in prostitution and porn.

[isha]

Did you ever think it would be hate speech to be against people buying other people's bodies for sex ( or womb rental)?