Hate Speech Law

[PogMoThoin22]

Isn't it convenient how this happened just as new hate speech laws were being pushed forward. I wouldn't go to a halting site at night and I wouldn't expect a taxi driver to. There are plenty of estates I wouldn't go to either

[kadman]

The whole of Ireland is now open to prosecution should any guard ask you for your phone as he suspects there may be evidence of a crime on it, which he has the right to do so if he suspects as much. Its a fair bet that any phone that has a violent tom and jerry gif....which might upset someone , somewhere and its " come with me if you please" off to the nick with ya.

Absolute madness. Why is the state pandering to these crazy ideas about speech laws. So we dont have the right to free speech. Whats next I ask.

[knownunknown]

Now that GUBU has picked up a reputation (according to some posts on boards) as a "hate site", I suspect we'll attract further attention if/when this law is enacted.

Interesting times ahead no doubt.

Only a matter of time before they try to shut this place down. I hope they fail. The loss of twitter was huge for them, a space they can no longer control. Hopefully that’s a sign of things to come.

[Bishop_Brennan]

Why in the name of Jaysus would you download, watch and store a video of a mass shooting and a beheading?

Weird tbh and not sure what it has to do with hate speech laws. Just comes across as incredibly antisocial behaviour.

Just the NZ video - because I was morbidly curious.

Your reaction tells me there should be some sort of punihsment for me possesing the video.

I don't intend to distribute it (can't find it anyway) but If I lived in Ireland technically I could get into trouble by just having it on a hard drive.

[Bishop_Brennan]

The whole of Ireland is now open to prosecution should any guard ask you for your phone as he suspects there may be evidence of a crime on it, which he has the right to do so if he suspects as much. Its a fair bet that any phone that has a violent tom and jerry gif....which might upset someone , somewhere and its " come with me if you please" off to the nick with ya.

Absolute madness. Why is the state pandering to these crazy ideas about speech laws. So we dont have the right to free speech. Whats next I ask.

That's it, this is purely to control the wrong opinion or dissent.
It's a new set of blasphemy laws - that will protect only one religion - we all know which.

And perhaps the biggest thing is to protect the hairy bollocked lunatics in a dress that want to wave their genitals in front of children.


Clown fecking world!!

[Bishop_Brennan]

Only a matter of time before they try to shut this place down. I hope they fail. The loss of twitter was huge for them, a space they can no longer control. Hopefully that’s a sign of things to come.

Well, it would be interesting to see what they could point to as being "hate" ... any of the planks faithful reading this, can you point to one post that's "hateful" ?

[BrianD3]

It will be interesting to see what happens when the Sacred Cows of Irish society direct (and they will) homophobic or racist abuse towards others. They also have a habit of using "handicapped" as a form of abuse.
https://youtube.com/shorts/0n7dPu5O518

[Bishop_Brennan]

Isn't it convenient how this happened just as new hate speech laws were being pushed forward. I wouldn't go to a halting site at night and I wouldn't expect a taxi driver to. There are plenty of estates I wouldn't go to either

God I can't stand that f*cking kn<SNIP>ker.

Is that the one that went to university and got a PHd in "Traveller studies" ?

Yeah ... sure ...

[nlgbbbblth]

It will be interesting to see what happens when the Sacred Cows of Irish society direct (and they will) homophobic or racist abuse towards others. They also have a habit of using "handicapped" as a form of abuse.
https://youtube.com/shorts/0n7dPu5O518

Another video I saw - "big down syndrome head on ya" was used

Nothing will happen. It will be excused or ignored.

[Guburnor]

God I can't stand that f*cking kn<SNIP>ker.

This is the kind of comment that is likely to fall foul of any hate speech law, and as such will be modded accordingly in future.

GUBU will happily host discussion and comment along the lines of why the taxi driver might have concerns about going into a halting site, and why it may not in fact be racism/discrimination etc.

If that sort of thing gets us into hot water, then so be it, we'll cross that bridge if and when we come to it. There is a value in defending people's right to express an informed and rational opinion even if everybody else is offended by it,

But the comment above is a fairly clear cut example of what constitutes hate speech under the new laws, and even if it were not, it adds nothing to any discussion, and just comes across as deliberately inflammatory.

Will everybody please steer clear of this stuff in future, thanks.

[Bishop_Brennan]

Come on, I know it's true - you know it's true - EVERYONE knows it's true.

[Bishop_Brennan]

And let's be clear here, people like her love this victimhood shit, she was delighted that happened to her - gives her plenty of ammunition to wallow in her perceived victimhood.

Wonder why people like her never actually wonder why such a small % of the population make up a large % of the prison population ?
Or why such a small amount finish school ?

Can't be just discrimination surely ???

[WokeHogan]

Just the NZ video - because I was morbidly curious.

Your reaction tells me there should be some sort of punihsment for me possesing the video.

I don't intend to distribute it (can't find it anyway) but If I lived in Ireland technically I could get into trouble by just having it on a hard drive.

Would you think that there shouldn't be some sort of "punihsment" for someone "possesing" child pornography if they had no intent on distributing it?

Your post is one of the most amoral things I have ever read. Let's get this clear from the off: if you are a person who searches for and downloads beheading videos for their own gratification then you are a party to the creation of that content. Those videos only exist because of the supposition that there is a willing audience for the exploitation of real-life violence and thus you are partially responsible for the atrocity it documents.

Morally you are no different to someone who downloads child pornography. There's no ifs or buts about it. People like you should be put down.

[isha]

People like you should be put down.

Oh. The ironing.

[678904673]

Would you think that there shouldn't be some sort of "punihsment" for someone "possesing" child pornography if they had no intent on distributing it?

Your post is one of the most amoral things I have ever read. Let's get this clear from the off: if you are a person who searches for and downloads beheading videos for their own gratification then you are a party to the creation of that content. Those videos only exist because of the supposition that there is a willing audience for the exploitation of real-life violence and thus you are partially responsible for the atrocity it documents.

Morally you are no different to someone who downloads child pornography. There's no ifs or buts about it. People like you should be put down.

Don't hold back now. Tell us what you really think of the OP

[Guburnor]

I really don't want to start censoring posts in a thread about the rights and wrongs of censorship, so please could everyone not let this spat get out of control and leave it there re the morality tales about Bishops hard drive or Wokes reaction!

[isha]

Just on the beheadings videos. I would not watch such a thing if I was paid a million. I absolutely loathe and even fear to come across those beating up videos that people share everywhere now, Twitter, Facebook etc. Horrible videos of students getting kicked around or random people on the street. They make me feel ill. The level of violence. I even hate videos people make of small kids doing dances that I think are too sexy. I hate videos showing animal cruelty, butchering of meat, people in impoverished countries post catastrophes, where their sorrow and pain is laid bare. I saw a short video yesterday of a small Palestinian child after her parents and sibling had been killed by the IDF. The video honed in on her confusion and pain for a political purpose. It's vile

But the camera exists. It's a controversial tool that shapes our lives more than we admit or are even conscious. I sometimes regret the invention of the camera, even though it is one of my trainings and trades. Footage of horrible things exist and will attract some people. I remember the beheading of that poor man Ken Bigley. For a while afterwards I lost faith in any divinity because I had prayed so hard for him to be released safely. It was also an eye opener to me about the internet because somehow, maybe through school, my son saw the video when he were young. He showed his younger brother. It was a thing that seemingly went round at that time. To see such a thing did have an influence on their development. It was horrifying, and darkening to the psyche - stripped innocence. We had to have a chat about it. But there's no unseeing such a thing.

My daughter had a similar trauma in that young boys forced the young girls to see hard core porn when they were very young. She was shocked and traumatised. People talk about the beheadings videos as hate speech but don't talk about hard core porn as being hate speech because they may be invested in porn as a source of pleasure.

We live in an imperfect world full of new dangers. This hate speech law does nothing to address root causes and is instead a cynical attempt to criminalise valid political arguments.

[Avey Terrible]

Would you think that there shouldn't be some sort of "punihsment" for someone "possesing" child pornography if they had no intent on distributing it?

Your post is one of the most amoral things I have ever read. Let's get this clear from the off: if you are a person who searches for and downloads beheading videos for their own gratification then you are a party to the creation of that content. Those videos only exist because of the supposition that there is a willing audience for the exploitation of real-life violence and thus you are partially responsible for the atrocity it documents.

Morally you are no different to someone who downloads child pornography. There's no ifs or buts about it. People like you should be put down.

You think that poster should be killed? You need to take a good, long look in the mirror. You are disgusting.

[BrianD3]

People need to be "put down" for watching beheading videos and other violence? Jesus wept. As isha says, the camera exists and covers real life events which are often horrific. I don't hear anyone complaining about the mainstream media coverage of events like 9/11 where anyone watching it was watching people dying on live TV. The beheadings by Islamic extremists and the Christchurch shooting were also extensively covered in the media. Cutting the footage before any actual gore of course but emphasising how what followed was TOO SHOCKING AND GRUESOME TO SHOW, piquing interest.

I have just looked at the Christchurch video there and at the start you can just about make out the first victim greeting the shooter with "Hello, Brother", one of the saddest parts of the video IMO knowing what was just about to happen. This sort of thing could actually help to humanise "the enemy" and make an aspiring mass murderer think twice. On the other side, anyone who is vehemently anti Israel might learn something from watching ISIS beheading videos of innocent victims to drive home what the Israelis are up against.

[knownunknown]

Would you think that there shouldn't be some sort of "punihsment" for someone "possesing" child pornography if they had no intent on distributing it?

Your post is one of the most amoral things I have ever read. Let's get this clear from the off: if you are a person who searches for and downloads beheading videos for their own gratification then you are a party to the creation of that content. Those videos only exist because of the supposition that there is a willing audience for the exploitation of real-life violence and thus you are partially responsible for the atrocity it documents.

Morally you are no different to someone who downloads child pornography. There's no ifs or buts about it. People like you should be put down.

Put down by whom? I noticed you’re doing more of that projecting there, Wokehogan.

[Diamonds of Frost]

Why in the name of Jaysus would you download, watch and store a video of a mass shooting and a beheading?

Weird tbh and not sure what it has to do with hate speech laws. Just comes across as incredibly antisocial behaviour.

I don't think it's antisocial but my initial reaction is similar to yours, why? It leaves me scratching my head but when I think about it I can maybe understand.

We are such strange beasts when it comes to the horrors of the world; 'I can't stand to watch but maybe just a little' 'So sad what was the cause of death' 'Did you hear what happened to such and such it's awful wait till I tell you'. We are trying to make sense of events and to get a handle on the why because it seems so terrible and unbelievable. There is also simple morbid curiosity which can act as a sort of fulfillment of something when we watch the scary film or slow down going past the traffic collision. Perhaps it's a release rather than a fulfillment. I think there can be consequences for us depending on what it is we expose ourselves to and also if it's by choice.

A film is a piece of fiction so no matter how gory it's pretend and everyone goes back to their lives. We know this so our minds can organise it in a safe way, into the 'nothing to be worried about' box it goes - unless you are like me. A car accident moves us up a level because it is real life real people. Beheading videos and the destruction of a human at the hands of another are off the scale. If you choose to watch then I think your empathy will be impacted upon and your humanity chipped away at. It's worth maybe considering what it gives you and how you feel during and after watching it.

Years and years ago when I was a child I saw something which was possibly the aftermath of a fatal road accident. The years I'm sure have altered the memory and even at the time it might not have been what I thought. I was distressed, spoke about it a lot. My poor mother kept telling me that it was something else. I don't know but the feeling of terror and incomprehension was very much present. And the loss of life. I couldn't get my head around it at all. Images stay with me and come knocking out of nowhere and it doesn't matter whether it's real or make believe. Shudder.

[Bishop_Brennan]

Would you think that there shouldn't be some sort of "punihsment" for someone "possesing" child pornography if they had no intent on distributing it?

Your post is one of the most amoral things I have ever read. Let's get this clear from the off: if you are a person who searches for and downloads beheading videos for their own gratification then you are a party to the creation of that content. Those videos only exist because of the supposition that there is a willing audience for the exploitation of real-life violence and thus you are partially responsible for the atrocity it documents.

Morally you are no different to someone who downloads child pornography. There's no ifs or buts about it. People like you should be put down.

I said just the NZ video, not the beheading ones you cretin - I've never watched one of them, they would make me feel sick ..

Yes, I know authoritarian thugs like yourself would love to see people put in camps and put down.
Fortunately we don't live in such a society.

The NZ video had been live streamed in facebook it was out there already, comparing it to CP is just nuts.

[schmittel]

Senator Michael McDowell has made an excellent intervention in this with a letter to Simon Harris, Minister for Justice.

Senator McDowell, a senior counsel, said the Gender Recognition Act 2015 already provided that if the preferred gender is the male gender, the person’s sex becomes that of a man; and if the female gender, the person’s sex becomes that of a woman. A certificate would issue to this effect.

On that basis, he said, he had “great difficulty in understanding what is intended by the term ‘transgender’” and the phrase “a gender other than those of male and female”.

Since one of the purposes of the Bill was to expand protections against hate speech or acts, “it seems to me to be important that the Seanad should understand the meaning of the phrases,” he said.

He said he had written to the minister “to obtain absolute clarity” as to what it was intended those terms should mean. He had to ask the questions: “Is transgender a gender for the purposes of Irish law?” and “Can you specify what is meant, in addition to transgender, by ‘any gender other than those of male and female’?”

Mr McDowell said he was bearing in mind “the binary nature of gender recognition certificates as evidenced by the 2015 Act. “I await hearing from you as a matter of urgency,” he told Justice Minister Simon Harris.

So Harris has to provide absolute clarity on what transgender and “a gender other than those of male and female” means.

Given that recently politicians have struggled and deflected when asked for clarity on what a woman is, it will be interesting to hear Harris' answer.

He can't just brush it off. This is a formal request from a Senator who will be asked to vote on the bill.

I am getting popcorn in.

[PogMoThoin22]

Senator Michael McDowell has made an excellent intervention in this with a letter to Simon Harris, Minister for Justice.




So Harris has to provide absolute clarity on what transgender and “a gender other than those of male and female” means.

Given that recently politicians have struggled and deflected when asked for clarity on what a woman is, it will be interesting to hear Harris' answer.

He can't just brush it off. This is a formal request from a Senator who will be asked to vote on the bill.

I am getting popcorn in.

He makes a very good point. Harris the guy who spoke of 18 other Corona viruses hasn't the intelligence to answer this one. Popcorn indeed, buckets of it

[Bishop_Brennan]

It's simple.

Transwoman = "Hairy bollocked lunatic in a dress"