Israel and Palestine

[kadman]

This piece from 2017 might help some see a different view of the history of "The Israeli State", which in turn could help navigate the propaganda and discern some truths.

https://mondoweiss.net/2017/01/terrorism-israeli-state/

Its impossible to navigate through the propaganda from both sides, impossible. We have all heard down through the recent years, Ricin, WMD, Babies thrown from incubators, Oil Well fires, baby beheadings, chemical weapons Direct Impact weapons, and the list goes on and on. Impossible to know where the truth is.

Mind numbing task.

[kadman]

And all while this is going on, did the government seek any meetings with the Israeli diplomat here in Ireland yet to explain why they are committing acts everybit as heinous as hamas and Russia in their conflict.

[isha]

This is Dagestan in the past hour or so. A plane was scheduled to land from Tel Aviv. This mob has burst in looking to do what exactly?? The airport is presently closed to all flights while the rioters are still on the runway. I mean wtf?
The huge protests I've seen all over the world of people chanting and baying and carrying flags of dangerous organisations make me think something this crazy could happen anywhere. These people are possessed. If I was Jewish anywhere in the world right now I would be nervous. What is the root cause of historical hatred of Jews?

[isha]

Mobs have also gone through local hotels checking all rooms and passports to check for Jews.

Dagestan, I checked, is north of Iran, with Azerbaijan separating the two. It's right beside Georgia and Armenia. Ireland has had thousands of immigrants in recent years from Georgia, almost a fifth of the people who came here in 2022 were from Georgia. This has dramatically dropped this year because it's been decided Georgia is not an unsafe country.

[isha]

Hamas has issued a press release thanking all their western fans

[isha]

This is Canada. This is Dr. Natalie Knight — “Indigenous Curriculum Consultant” at Langara College in Vancouver




Update from Dagestan - local police have intervened to protect the people on the plane and get them out of the airport. The chief Rabbi of the capital of Dagestan has said all Jews there should try to get out as it's not safe .

[isha]

I've just stopped reading half way through the account of an absolutely brutal gang rape of a young Jewish girl at the Nova festival which was filmed on her phone, including her subsequent murder.

I just don't have space for the both sides stuff right now. I really don't.

[kadman]

Sane minds cant rationalise this behaviour. All human life is sacred,ALL.

[Diamonds of Frost]

I understand Israel's defence of itself and the need to retaliate. What Hamas did (well bandwagon jumpers of them anyways) was horrific. I read one account where the phone of one had a voicemail to his mother delighting in what he had done, talking about "Jews blood on my hands". That is pure hatred and Hamas is the vehicle. Some people say that it's no wonder because Gaza is like an open air prison. I say that is no reason to target innocent civilians.

Restraint was needed and cool heads to bide their time.
Conflict cannot be resolved if the parties involved won't talk to each other. An approach made with upturned palms asking "what can we do? How can we reach an understanding. I am a human of this world as are you, we both want to live and be happy and free. I'm not going anywhere so what must we do".

I will never understand the entrenched revulsion towards another group of people simply because of who they are. How are they so blinded to each others humanity? All the destruction over a bit of land and choices that were made, I'll go with Ishmael and you go with Isaac, four thousand years ago.

War baffles me.

[isha]

Judith Butler who brought us men are women also acclaimed Hamas and Hezbollah as progressive social movements and part of the Global Left. Remember now universities are absolutely infested with this kind of thinking. And the graduates of university go into media, think tanks, NGOs, the civil service and government, and can ruin civilisations from those places of power.

[Apelles]

In this video recorded in July before the October attacks, Nikos Sotirakopoulos explains the reasons why the left hate Israel and why socialists and communist groups always gravitate to supporting the percived underdogs and the enemies of Israel.

[Seafields]

The pictures and videos of dead babies and children on twitter is the stuff of nightmares. Beyond comprehension.

[isha]

The video of Nikos is very informative.

I see a post of his on X - also interesting. A coalition of moderate, affluent Arab states taking on Gaza, and making life better there for the people. But Hamas would first have to be routed.

Some might think it is a bad idea but one of the ways the Good Friday agreement worked was because northern Ireland was promised a peace dividend. It may not have been ALL it was hyped up to be but unemployment dropped very quickly, which raised living standards for poorer people embroiled in factional fighting for want of anything better to do in sink estates.

[PureIsle]

"Ilya Ponomaryov, ex Russian deputy now working as a foreign agent in the West has openly admitted that he works on telegram to create problems in Dagestan and that the protests have been coordinated mostly by his Telegram channel "Morning Dagestan"

- Ponomaryov leader figure of the Liberal pro Western opposition in Russia fled the country in February 2022 and has since worked presumably for American government agencies in the propaganda field."

That quote accompanied a video of him saying essentially the same as quoted above.

[jmayo]

I've just stopped reading half way through the account of an absolutely brutal gang rape of a young Jewish girl at the Nova festival which was filmed on her phone, including her subsequent murder.

I just don't have space for the both sides stuff right now. I really don't.

Don't worry the apologists will be along to tell you it is Israeli propaganda.

Funny how anything Israelis say is questioned, but if someone from Gaza i.e. hamas comes out and says something it is lapped up.

I have no problem stating I have major issue with islam and muslims.
You can get some fine individuals and in small numbers are no problem for host states, but put together the hive mind of islam comes into play.
You can call me what the fook you want, I don't care.
But I am honest enough to say it.
There are a lot of dishonest people in the Western world who really do not like Jews.
And come times like this it really does come out.
Of course these people haven't the balls to really say it.
They will argue that Israel doesn't mean Jew, but then complain it is in effect a Jewish state since it discriminates against others.
They won't say boo when the ones calling for elimination or Israel make it plain that they also mean elimination of Jews.

As for people stating that there needs to be talks.
What fooking planet are you on.
As I said before it is like asking Jews in Eastern Europe in 1942 to talk to the SS.
There is no conversation.
One side has wanted to totally eliminate the other since it's formation, but now both sides want to wipe the other out.

Or maybe an example that doesn't involve Jews, it is like a black guy in Alabama trying to persuade members of the klan to understand it is ok for him to date a white woman.
It aint happening, there is no debate.
One side just wants to wipe the other from the planet and are not too bothered about how.

[Apelles]

Musk has a hook in his jaw.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 023-10-28/

[PureIsle]

A proposed Israeli plan to deal with their 'Palestinian problem'.
Essentially is it 'depart Gaza or die'.
Just further ethnic cleansing so nothing new.
It appears the first stage of this plan has been mostly achieved with the movement of citizens of Northern Gaza to South Gaza.

https://new.thecradle.co/articles/leake ... QefenowdyE

EDIT:

Another view of the same Israeli documents:-

https://uncaptured.substack.com/p/optio ... y/comments

[marhay70]

A proposed Israeli plan to deal with their 'Palestinian problem'.
Essentially is it 'depart Gaza or die'.

Isn't that exactly the condition that Hamas have placed on Israel regarding any location between Egypt and Lebanon?

[isha]

Pro Palestine protesters have been bellowing outside marks and Spencers shops in UK. And this is the latest against a McDonald's for supporting Israel.

[Cyclepath]

Judith Butler who brought us men are women also acclaimed Hamas and Hezbollah as progressive social movements and part of the Global Left. ...

It's kinda weird how some of these far left idiots are only concerned about deaths where Jews were involved. Close to 400,000 Yemenis have died in the war and famine caused by their own Arab neighbours.

You don't hear a peep from the hand-wringing grifters. Nobody cares, unless of course you can use it to justify anti-semitism

[jmayo]

Also how come no one was out complaining about Azerbaijan driving out Armenians from their homeland Nagorno-Karabakh.
Not a fooking peep about it really.
About the only celebrity I have found even mentioning it was Mel Gibson.
Obviously Christians being ethnically clensed ranks lower on the totem poll of entitled ones.
Armenians have always for some reason ranked very low on the list of cared for groups.

Maybe it is only ethnic clensing when done by Christians or Jews.

I do believe there is a lot of antisemtism that most dare not show for fear of being equated to the real Nazis, but at times like this it bubbles to the surface.
The old mindset about Jews having extraordinary access to power, being dishonest and not believable really do show up when people discuss Israel.
The very same terms labelled against Jews in the past are now often labelled against Israel and Israelis.
You don't need to be a rocket scientist or a degree in psychology to spot it.

[isha]

But why the anti Jew sentiment at all? Where does it come from? I mean surely all these closet run of the mill normie antisemitic people don't believe that Ashkenazi Jews from Khazaria are taking over the world or something something control all media something something mumbles into neckbeard shyte?

[Apelles]

But why the anti Jew sentiment at all? Where does it come from? I mean surely all these closet run of the mill normie antisemitic people don't believe that Ashkenazi Jews from Khazaria are taking over the world or something something control all media something something mumbles into neckbeard shyte?

Who knew that Jewish folk have horns and tails . . This PDF explains a lot of how the prejudices arose.
A BRIEF HISTORY OF ANTI-SEMITISM.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... pksRzzdI6r

[PureIsle]

So a lot of bad and terrible things have happened throughout the world and nothing was done to stop them.
True.
There are a lot of bad people in the world and nothing is done about them either.
True.

Now there is something very bad happening in Gaza and people are protesting against it.
Even today many more were killed and injured by Israel dropping six 1 ton bombs (supplied by the USA) on a small densely populated civilian area.

It does not matter what else happened, or is happening, in the world, what matters to those protesting is what is happening in Gaza.

Attempting to reduce the gravity of what is happening by pulling out the anti-semitism card in defense of such despicable actions is xxxxx (choose your own term).

Thousands have died; more thousands have been injured, most of them women and children and of those nearly half were children. And that is not counting those missing - buried under the rubble that was once their homes.

Israel as the occupation force is responsible for the lives and well being of the Palestinians.
Israel has ignored every UN mandate on the matter since they got a seat at the table.

But we cannot say anything against Israel because they observe a particular religion?

Israel is an apartheid state which is carrying out ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. That has nothing to do with "self defence" about which we hear a lot as a defence for Israel's actions.

[isha]

I have condemned the bombardment of Gaza and supported a ceasefire.

The question above re antisemitism is because there has been an upswing in antisemitism and it has been quite disgusting.