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So hospitals again the target ensuring those in need of medical help are further threatened.

Israeli troops launched a sudden assault on Khan Yunis’ Al-Amal and Al-Nasser hospitals on Sunday, as the catastrophic siege on Al-Shifa Hospital enters one week
A large force of troops and vehicles suddenly besieged the hospitals on Sunday.

“Dozens of Israeli armored vehicles are currently surrounding Al-Amal Hospital, engaging in extensive excavation work in its vicinity,” the Palestinian Red Crescent Society (PRCS) said on Sunday.

PRCS added that its teams were in extreme danger and were unable to move. They also said they were unable to bury the body of one of their workers, Amir Abu Eisha, who was killed by Israeli gunfire near the Al-Amal hospital courtyard on Saturday evening.

https://thecradle.co/articles/three-gaz ... aeli-siege
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Ireland, Spain, Malta and Slovenia look towards recognizing a Palestinian state. About time. Overdue in fact.
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UN Security Council adopts resolution demanding immediate Gaza ceasefire

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/2 ... -ceasefire
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Moreover, more than 90% (of Palestinians polled in the West Bank and Gaza) believe that Hamas did not commit any atrocities against Israel civilians during its October the 7th offensive. Only one in five Palestinians has seen videos showing atrocities committed by Hamas. Only one fifth of those who did not see the videos had access to such videos but decided not to see them; the rest report that the media they watched did not show these videos. The findings show that those who have seen the videos are almost 10 times more likely to think that Hamas men have committed atrocities on October 7.
They don’t even know what their government is doing in their name and it’s being hidden from them.
https://pcpsr.org/en/node/969#:~:text=M ... by%20Hamas.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As an Israeli in this dark disgusting inhuman time, there are many things I see and hear and can tell you about and are worthy of research and serious consideration, but there is one part of it that is so uncanny, so disheartening, so extraordinary, that I can hardly describe it,…</p>&mdash; Alon Mizrahi | without equality there&#39;s no freedom (@alon_mizrahi) <a href=" 25, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Read this.
1 in 5 is more than practically zero.
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1/5 Palestinians have seen the atrocities committed by hamas on oct 7. Only 2/5 Palestinians have access to that information.

1/10 Palestinians are willing to call them atrocities and 1/10 Palestinians blame Hamas for their current situation. That’s a lot of people.

https://pcpsr.org/en/node/969#
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It was never about Oct 7th.
It was never about hostages.
It was never even about religion.

It's always been about money, power, oil, trade routes and land grabs. At the expense of innocent Palestinians.
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Let the Palestinians have access to information and decide for themselves. 10% of Palestinians blame Hamas and that is not insignificant as you say Norman.(more than practically zero)
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Major turning point in the (previously unconditional) support for Israel's genocidal regime.
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The next step is to cut the billions going to Israel. Netanyahoo (sic) is on borrowed time.
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knownunknown wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 6:43 pm 1/5 Palestinians have seen the atrocities committed by hamas on oct 7. Only 2/5 Palestinians have access to that information.

1/10 Palestinians are willing to call them atrocities and 1/10 Palestinians blame Hamas for their current situation. That’s a lot of people.

https://pcpsr.org/en/node/969#
100% of Palestinians in Gaza have experienced - seen and felt - the genocide being inflicted on them by Israel.
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The people of Palestine believe they are fighting and winning a war.

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So the Irish Gov. is to, eventually, make their move and intervene in the SA genocide case.

I suppose better late than never.
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Singapore call out Israel for their BS propaganda.

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This gives me some sliver of faith in humanity.

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“Following nearly six months of unrelenting Israeli assault on occupied Gaza, it is my solemn duty to report on the worst of what humanity is capable of, and to present my findings,” Albanese said during the dialogue at the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva, where she was presenting her latest report titled "Anatomy of a Genocide."

“There are reasonable grounds to believe that the threshold indicating the commission of the crime of genocide … has been met,” Albanese added.




https://thecradle.co/articles/threshold ... n-official
“For over 76 years, this process has oppressed the Palestinians as a people in every way imaginable, crushing their inalienable right to self-determination demographically, economically, territorially, culturally, and politically,” she said. “[The] colonial amnesia of the West has condoned Israel's colonial settler project,” adding that “the world now sees the bitter fruit of the impunity afforded to Israel. This was a tragedy foretold.”
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Amazing lady. Did you see her field the question about getting threats? Basically said it's nothing compared to the horrors she has seen during her investigation. Very courageous woman.

In other news, Ireland finally rolls up it's sleeves:
https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2024/0 ... -icj-case/
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Without bothering to follow this story very much there are parallels here with the Republicans in NI always supporting the Palestinians while the Loyalists always support Israel. Back in the days of Apartheid, the South African government were very close to Israel - security cooperation even nuclear secrets etc. so it's hardly surprising that the new rulers in SA are in love with the Palestinians. Is there more to their concern rather than just old scores being settled?
'no more blah blah blah'
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Del.Monte wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 7:33 pm Without bothering to follow this story very much there are parallels here with the Republicans in NI always supporting the Palestinians while the Loyalists always support Israel. Back in the days of Apartheid, the South African government were very close to Israel - security cooperation even nuclear secrets etc. so it's hardly surprising that the new rulers in SA are in love with the Palestinians. Is there more to their concern rather than just old scores being settled?
It would be easier to take these guys seriously(such as above Francesca Albanese) if they didn’t have a long history of Jewish hatred.

https://www.thejc.com/news/call-for-dis ... n-d04o5jo6
https://unwatch.org/germany-france-cond ... isemitism/

Most European powers have called her “ a disgrace”. Thankfully it’s just one person saying her personal opinion not based on any facts and not representative of the UN. “The views expressed by special rapporteurs do not reflect those of the global body as a whole.”



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Del.Monte wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 7:33 pm Without bothering to follow this story very much there are parallels here with the Republicans in NI always supporting the Palestinians while the Loyalists always support Israel. Back in the days of Apartheid, the South African government were very close to Israel - security cooperation even nuclear secrets etc. so it's hardly surprising that the new rulers in SA are in love with the Palestinians. Is there more to their concern rather than just old scores being settled?
Nothing surprising in two apartheid states having close relations.
Neither is it surprising that the South Africans, having thrown off their 'masters' would support the Palestinians in their fight to do the same.

So, IMO, yes there is good reason for SA to support the Palestinian cause ..... rather obvious I would have thought.
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knownunknown wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 7:46 pm It would be easier to take these guys seriously(such as above Francesca Albanese) if they didn’t have a long history of Jewish hatred.

https://www.thejc.com/news/call-for-dis ... n-d04o5jo6
https://unwatch.org/germany-france-cond ... isemitism/

Most European powers have called her “ a disgrace”. Thankfully it’s just one person saying her personal opinion not based on any facts and not representative of the UN. “The views expressed by special rapporteurs do not reflect those of the global body as a whole.”



More anti-semitic BS.
No one needs to have any gripe with Jews or jewry to be absolutely against those murderous Zionists in Israel.
They are murderers first and foremost, and their religion or race has no bearing on peoples' abhorrence of their behaviour.

Israel, ever the victim, while murdering thousands and committing genocide.

I look forward to the day Israel no longer exists.
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Del.Monte wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 7:33 pm Without bothering to follow this story very much there are parallels here with the Republicans in NI always supporting the Palestinians while the Loyalists always support Israel. Back in the days of Apartheid, the South African government were very close to Israel - security cooperation even nuclear secrets etc. so it's hardly surprising that the new rulers in SA are in love with the Palestinians. Is there more to their concern rather than just old scores being settled?
It is all to do with history.
Israel shared military capabilities with old apartheid regime.

What makes this even more stark that SA are just in it for point scoring is they do shag all about "genocides" on their own continent.

They backed Mugabe even though he was effectively ethnically clensing white farmers and back in the 80s when he got into power had engaged in his own genocide when he sent into his North Korean-trained Fifth Brigade into Matabeleland to crush dissidents and former guerrillas loyal to liberation war rival Joshua Nkomo.
He slaughtered thousands of members of the ethnic Ndebele.

Did ANC SA ever do anything about old Mugabe next door?

Hell did they arrest the leader of Sudan in 2015 when he visited SA for African Summit, even though he has had international arrest warrant for the ethnic clensing carried out by here is gandjawee rebels in Darfur in 2003.

As a signatory to the convention that created the ICC, South Africa were legally obliged to arrest the Sudanese president and transfer him to the Netherlands.

And here was an even better show of what they think.
ANC party executive committee said in a statement that “the International Criminal Court is no longer useful for the purposes for which it was intended — being a court of last resort for the prosecution of crimes against humanity.” Instead, the statement argued, the court was biased against African leaders, of which al-Bashir’s Sudan was only “the latest example.”

More than 300,000 lives were claimed in Darfur in a gruesome orgy of decapitation, rape and torture committed by government militias.

Ah but shure now the ANC are busting a nut because 30,000-40,000 Palestinians on another continent have been killed.

Total bullcrap from a despicable regime themselves.
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When Boko Haram of Nigeria kidnapped hundreds of girls, South Africa weren’t seen asking why this Islamist terrorist organization abducted the girls, they didn’t ask what Boko Haram wanted and they didn’t query what motivated them politically. They demanded their return unequivocally. That was the right thing to do.

#bringbackourgirls(over 100 remain missing)
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The way the Gaza health ministry collects data for deaths has changed dramatically since oct. 7 and seems to suggest inflated numbers of about 80%.

They also make no distinction between civilians and active combatants.

Also how were half of these 150 UNRWA employees killed in Gaza after Oct 7, but before Israel’s invasion? The bolded part is the most worrying.
The UNRWA data provided to The Telegraph covers the period between October 7 and January 4 and documents the deaths of 150 UNRWA workers in Gaza. As previously reported, it shows that half of those deaths occurred in the three weeks immediately following the Oct 7 massacre and before the Israeli land incursion into Gaza started.

But perhaps the most notable feature of UNRWA casualties dataset is that men account for 62 per cent of the deaths, despite representing only 41 per cent of the UNRWA staff in Gaza

Gender breakdown of UNRWA staff in Gaza There is a clear majority of female workers in Gaza — yet men account for nearly two-thirds of UN deaths.
There is no other way to explain this than UNRWA male workers were actively getting themselves into war zones that the women weren’t. They lived in more dangerous situations or were active combatants.
This pattern is not replicated in the death data reported by the Gazan hospitals. According to that data, men in Gaza do face a higher risk of death than women, but by nothing like the extent found in URWA’s data.
We’re told that 30,000 civilians have been killed, mostly women and children. This is certainly a lie.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-heal ... -war-data/
One way or another, men appear to account for a considerably higher percentage of fatalities than that claimed by the Gazan authorities
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knownunknown wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 5:28 pm When Boko Haram of Nigeria kidnapped hundreds of girls, South Africa weren’t seen asking why this Islamist terrorist organization abducted the girls, they didn’t ask what Boko Haram wanted and they didn’t query what motivated them politically. They demanded their return unequivocally. That was the right thing to do.

#bringbackourgirls(over 100 remain missing)
Pathetic whataboutism. You should feel shame.
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