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Israel and Palestine

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Michael D. said his piece about the UNRWA situation:

President says 'propaganda campaign' against UN work in Gaza a 'scandalous travesty'


https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2024/0311 ... ident-gaza
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More lies exposed.



IOF killed a lot of their own people.
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The more spoken about this 'Hannibal Directive' the more the numbers, of Israelis killed by their own, rise.
I don't expect we will ever get a correct number as all the bodies were quickly 'dealt with' without any forensic investigation.
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Norman Breaks wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2024 2:38 pm I've also read about Canada and Sweden resuming aid. The pier is not a good idea and some are saying it's going to be used in the extraction of oil and gas just off the coast. Stolen from the Palestinian people.
They are resuming aid because of commitments made by UNRWA to be more transparent, which can only be a good thing. Previously when the aid agency weren’t so transparent even Canada and Sweden paused the aid. They still take Israel’s accusations really seriously. Accountability and reforms are a solution that benefits everyone, not what was happening previously where Hamas were funnelling billions from aid to fund terrorism.
It said that to unblock the aid, UNRWA had agreed to “allow controls, independent audits, to strengthen internal supervision and extra controls of personnel”.


Ahmed Hussen, Canada’s minister of international development, said: “Canada is resuming its funding to UNRWA so more can be done to respond to the urgent needs of Palestinian civilians. Canada will continue to take the allegations against some of UNRWA’s staff extremely seriously and we will remain closely engaged with UNRWA and the UN to pursue accountability and reforms.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/ ... lestinians
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knownunknown wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2024 6:48 pm They are resuming aid because of commitments made by UNRWA to be more transparent, which can only be a good thing. Previously when the aid agency weren’t so transparent even Canada and Sweden paused the aid. They still take Israel’s accusations really seriously. Accountability and reforms are a solution that benefits everyone, not what was happening previously where Hamas were funnelling billions from aid to fund terrorism.



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/ ... lestinians


UN report states that the 'confessions' were forced using torture. This is how low the IOF will go.
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Norman Breaks wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2024 6:54 pm

UN report states that the 'confessions' were forced using torture. This is how low the IOF will go.
I believe all those countries that cut off the aid have seen evidence enough already that isn’t in the public domain(which would explain countries like Sweden and Canada pausing aid in the first place. ) The most common denial is forced confession, every tom dick and harry always says that.
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knownunknown wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2024 8:57 pm I believe all those countries that cut off the aid have seen evidence enough already that isn’t in the public domain(which would explain countries like Sweden and Canada pausing aid in the first place. ) The most common denial is forced confession, every tom dick and harry always says that.
You can believe what you like, doesn't make it truth.
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The UN says they still no evidence.

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Norman Breaks wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 1:52 pm You can believe what you like, doesn't make it truth.
Everything in this sorry mess is levels of belief. For example you believe the country that allows you to be yourself, gay, lgbt or whatever, is also going to use humanitarian trucks as a trap to commit mass genocide. It just doesn’t make any sense.
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Norman Breaks wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2024 3:48 pm Ah yes, the Americans. The bastion of truth, justice and righteousness. /s
This is the Irish criminal law act, 1997.
7.—(1) Any person who aids, abets, counsels or procures the commission of an indictable offence shall be liable to be indicted, tried and punished as a principal offender.
https://revisedacts.lawreform.ie/eli/19 ... 20offender.
It’s fairly common across the western world, this is the Canadian criminal code:
21. (1) Every one is a party to an offence who

(a) actually commits it;
(b) does or omits to do anything for the purpose of aiding any person to commit it; or
(c) abets any person in committing it.”
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/act ... on-21.html
Bush’s quote rings true across just about every country in the world. “ We will make no distinction between the terrorists that committed these acts and those who harbour them”. Anyone who aids an offender will be treated as an offender themselves.

Its concentric circles as described here by Sam Harris at 3mins 50 seconds.
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knownunknown wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:20 pm Everything in this sorry mess is levels of belief. For example you believe the country that allows you to be yourself, gay, lgbt or whatever, is also going to use humanitarian trucks as a trap to commit mass genocide. It just doesn’t make any sense.
The IDF. A very tolerant bunch of lads all the same.



You can be yourself alright. Just don't be the 'wrong type of Jew'. SMH.
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About the misrepresentation of the J. Glazer speech at the Oscars :-

https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2024 ... ar-israel/

and the speech itself :-

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This war is causing lines to be drawn in the sand. Previous to Oct. 7th Russia and Israel had pretty strong ties, that was until Chechen soldiers were being used to fight in Ukraine and this caused a serious incident where these soldiers went in search of an Israeli plane to destroy it and murder its Israeli passengers in Dagestan. https://www.npr.org/2023/10/30/12093888 ... -palestine

Or how Putin called Zelenskyy and most of his army, “nazis”.

It’s Putin’s newfound ally in Hamas that are in fact the closest things to nazis we’ve ever seen. Systematic murdering of civilians and a warped ideology incompatible with liberal values. Iran is involved with Russia now in both theatres and the US has tied its funding for both Ukraine and Israel together. This is only getting worse.

https://apnews.com/article/iran-russia- ... 7d8cd5a49e
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/1 ... les-report
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https://www.ebb-magazine.com/essays/the ... -to-resist
"In December 1982, following Israel’s devastating invasion of Lebanon six months earlier, the United Nations General Assembly passed resolution A/RES/37/43 concerning the ‘mportance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination’. It endorsed, without qualification, ‘the inalienable right’ of the Palestinian people to ‘self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference’, and reaffirmed the legitimacy of their struggle for those rights ‘by all available means, including armed struggle’.


In addition to its endorsement by the UN, the Palestinians’ right to resist their occupation is also guaranteed by international law. The Fourth Geneva Convention requires an occupying power to protect the ‘status quo, human rights and prospects for self-determination’ of occupied populations, and as Richard Falk – an expert in international law who later went on to be appointed the UN’s Special Rapporteur on Human Rights in the Occupied Palestinian Territories – has explained, Israel’s ‘pronounced, blatant and undisguised’ refusal to ever accept this framework of legal obligations constitutes a fundamental denial of the Palestinians’ right to self-determination and engenders their legally-protected right of resistance.


Furthermore, regardless of what is mandated by international law, the Palestinians possess a fundamental moral right to resist their ongoing colonisation and oppression through armed resistance, and that right must be recognised and supported. The multi-generational suffering of the Palestinians, perhaps none more so than those who live in the besieged and bombarded Gaza strip, is unremittingly cruel and has one central cause: Israel and the perpetual belligerence, expansionism and racism that is inherent to its state ideology, Zionism. Moreover, contrary to the Western media’s narrative that, without fail, portrays Israel as acting in ‘retaliation’, it is the actions of the Palestinians which are fundamentally reactive in nature, because the violence that Israel inflicts upon them is both perpetual and structural, and therefore automatically precedes any resistance to it.


Given that the Palestinians’ legal and moral right to pursue armed resistance is clear, endorsement of this position should be uncontroversial and commonplace among supporters of their cause. Yet in the West, such a position is rarely expressed – even by those who loudly proclaim their solidarity with Palestine. On the contrary, acts of Palestinian armed resistance, such as the firing of missiles from Gaza, are condemned by these ostensible supporters as part of the problem, dismissed condescendingly as ‘futile’ and ‘counter-productive’, or even labelled ‘war crimes’ and ‘unthinkable atrocities’, said to be comparable to Israel’s routine collective punishment, torture, incarceration, bombardment and murder of Palestinians.

To sit in the comfort and safety of the West and condemn acts of armed resistance that the Palestinians choose to carry out – always at great risk to their lives – is a deeply chauvinistic position. It is not the place of those who choose to stand in solidarity with the Palestinians from afar to then try and dictate how they should wage the anti-colonial struggle that, as Frantz Fanon believed, is necessary to maintain their humanity and dignity, and ultimately to achieve their liberation. Those who are not under brutal military occupation or refugees from ethnic cleansing have no right to judge the manner in which those who are choose to confront their colonisers..."


E. K. Bartlett:
Ridiculously, many of the armchair commentators who condemn Palestinian acts of Resistance on the other hand supported literal al-Qaeda in Syria (or other incarnations of Western-backed terrorists) who slaughtered Syrian civilians & backed the West's attempt to overthrow the President & destroy the country.

Many also support literal Nazis in Ukraine.

Yet, Palestinians who are oppressed in every conceivable way by the Zionist state are not supposed to Resist?
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Robinson at it again, making a complete mess of world politics. Says Netanyahu should step down and doesn’t even mention Hamas or hostages. Anyone remember when she said she was “misled” about what happened to princess Latifa? “Horribly tricked” by the princess’ family? It’s happening again.

Sure she wanted to leave the Islamic country, so surely she was just a troubled youth. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56217277

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2024/0 ... it-latest/
”I let my heart lead my head. I went to help a friend, I was naive."
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A review of a book called "The Rape of Palestine. A Mandate Chronology" by Blake Alcott, written by author Jeremy Salt.
The commissions of inquiry of the 1930s are worked over every time a study of mandatory Palestine appears, but who knows now of the Palin Court of Inquiry of July 1920, which found that the cause of recent riots in and around Jerusalem was not race or religion but British support for Zionism and zionist “indiscretion and aggression” since Balfour issued his declaration?
The truth was so unpalatable that the report was suppressed at the specific request of the first High Commissioner of mandatory/occupied Palestine, Herbert Samuel, a Zionist, but with the support of the home government. It was not made public until 1968.
The zionists rode into Palestine on the back of British imperialism. The British armed them and protected them at all levels. They filled senior positions in the occupying administration with zionists. It was not just Palestine they wanted. Norman Bentwich, appointed as ‘Attorney General,’ believed that “Jewish civilization” was capable of expanding to all the countries promised to the Jews in the Old Testament, “from the Mediterranean to the Euphrates and from the Lebanon to the Nile.”
Britain forced Zionism on the population by allowing mass ‘immigration’, by arming the zionists while disarming the Palestinians, and by using all other weapons available to an occupying power to crush resistance. Thousands of Palestinians were killed when they rebelled in the 1930s, all attempts to reason with the British having failed.
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/chro ... ok-review/
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'In Gaza, we are no longer on the brink of a famine, we are in a state of famine,' warns EU's Borrell, saying 'starvation is used as weapon of war' by Israel.

... and yet the world governments do nothing but help, including withdrawing aid which ensures many more will die of starvation - that is if they survive the murderous Israeli military actions.
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Israeli occupation authorities have rejected a warehouse full of international aid including oxygen, incubators, water and sanitation gear all of which is now stockpiled at Al Arish just 40 km away from the border of 2.3 million desperate Palestinians in Gaza, Oxfam said in a new report.

The aid originates from many humanitarian organisations around the world and has been rejected over weeks and months as a result of an unpredictable and chaotic regime of approval, scanning and inspection, ultimately controlled by Israeli authorities. The reasons for rejection are not clear, says Oxfam.

Oxfam said this rejected aid was just one example of an overall humanitarian response that Israel has made so dangerous and dysfunctional as to be impossible for aid agencies to work at the speed and scale necessary to save lives, despite best efforts.

Lovely crowd of butchers those Zionists! :roll:
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Those despicable Israeli Zionist know sh1t all about morality.
Will the geopolitical forces yet again stop any action that might save lives in Palestine?
I fear so.
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On the day new data is out on famine in #GAZA, the Israeli Authorities deny my entry to Gaza.

-Famine is imminent in the northern Gaza Strip, expected to arrive between now and May.
- Two million people= the entire population of Gaza is facing crisis levels of food insecurity or worse.
- Half the population has completely exhausted food supplies and coping capacities. They are struggling with catastrophic hunger (IPC Phase 5) and starvation.
- This is the highest number of people ever recorded as facing catastrophic hunger by the IPC system and double the number just three months ago.
- Earlier, UNICEF warned that the # of children under two years old suffering from acute malnutrition has doubled in one month.
- Children are now dying of dehydration & hunger.

@UNRWA
has by far the largest presence among all humanitarian organisations in Gaza.
My visit today was supposed to coordinate & improve the humanitarian response.

This man-made starvation under our watch is a stain on our collective humanity.
Too much time was wasted, all land crossings must open now. Famine can be averted with political will.

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Israel's War in Gaza Undermines Top UN Court, Says South Africa

South African Foreign Minister Naledi Pandor lashed out at Israel, accusing it of setting a dangerous precedent by defying the UN's top court.

"The provisional measures have been entirely ignored by Israel," Pandor said. "We're seeing mass starvation now and famine before our very eyes."

She added, "I think we, as humanity, need to look at ourselves in horror and dismay and to be really worried that we have set an example."

Pandor noted that Israel's continued attacks and blockade of Gaza could lead other nations to believe that "there is license – I can do what I want and I will not be stopped".

South Africa has taken Israel to the International Court of Justice on charges of genocide arising from its killing of more than 31,000 Palestinian civilians, mostly children, according to local authorities, in response to an October 7 Hamas attack.
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It's heart breaking.
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Before October 7 South Africa has donated approx 100,000$ in aid to unrwa, putting it down the list of aid contributors, somewhere towards the bottom. They join countries like Pakistan and Namibia supporting South Africa’s case at the ICJ, and their pittance of support for Palestine.
(Also hubs for jihadist terrorism).

The countries that have contributed the most to Palestinian aid are the ones saying it’s not a genocide. The ones calling it a genocide are jihadist hubs for terrorism that don’t contribute anything to humanitarian aid.

Countries saying genocide and the aid they provide.
Pakistan: $8,000
South Africa: $171,600
Iran: N/A

Countries saying no genocide and the aid they provide.
USA: 300-400$ million
Germany: $202,054,285
EU: $114,119,150

These are just examples, here is the extensive list of funding to the UNRWA.
https://www.unrwa.org/sites/default/fil ... donors.pdf

Here’s a list of countries that back South Africa’s case at the ICJ, a list of countries where you’re not even allowed to express a free thought.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/9 ... ember%2030.
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What I see:

Here is a list of countries in Israel/The US's pocket.
Here is a list of countries who are not.

Your point?
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