Israel and Palestine

[marhay70]

I don't see the relevance of the weapons EU supplied,and Ireland's requirement to be entangled in it,we need to take back control of our country and have less to do with them and decouple into a position of self sufficiency or close as reasonable possible


Just 3 of incidents
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland ... -1.3332492
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/fur ... 45940.html
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/At_Tiri_incident

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41029148.html

Tragic as they may be it's not exactly multitudes and none, as I said, in the last twenty years. There was Civil War in Lebanon at the times you picked, it was a hostile place for everyone.

As for your other point, I am not going around the houses with you again. You keep prattling on about taking back our country, disentangling ourselves from the EU, and by extension , the western world, yet you continually refuse to say how you, and it's only you so far, would achieve this.

[Setanta]

Tragic as they may be it's not exactly multitudes and none, as I said, in the last twenty years. There was Civil War in Lebanon at the times you picked, it was a hostile place for everyone.

As for your other point, I am not going around the houses with you again. You keep prattling on about taking back our country, disentangling ourselves from the EU, and by extension , the western world, yet you continually refuse to say how you, and it's only you so far, would achieve this.

20 years is the time limit for critism of murders?


I have stated an outline of it.....might be just me,but kinda don't want Ireland linked to a country that drops tons of explosions on to orphaned children sheltering in a school.....if that means disentangling from the EU,so be it,we have no say there as it.... we've put up with the yanks using Shannon for too long,that was the thin edge of the wedge,its time to take back control and stop assisting wars for corporation tax receipts

[Setanta]

The PLO were thrown off buildings by Hamas following their last elections. The moderates have been literally slaughtered by the extremists. All the annexations happened after another country declared war on Israel first or built up troops along the borders. Israel never declared war on anyone. This whole thing started after Israel was invaded and 1,200 people murdered in cold blood, majority civilians and hundreds taken hostage, dozens of children among them.

This is not a fight for liberation, hamas are not freedom fighters. It’s a millennia old religious dispute led by extremist terrorists intent on destroying Jews, it’s literally in their charter that they publish and endorse.

Take Jerusalem for example, they they lay complete claim to it. When in history do they harp back to as justification for this? I bet I can go back further and find Jews there. When Israel was in control all religions were allowed access, when Jordan had it (Muslim brotherhood) they housed their animals there in the Jewish and Christian parts to purposefully cause anger. To this day about 20% of the population of Israel are “Palestinians” while 0% of Palestine is inhabited by Israelis.

One culture (israel) allows other cultures to not only survive but flourish, while the other uses violence to ensure theirs is the only one allowed.

One culture (israel) allows other cultures to not only survive but flourish, while the other uses violence to ensure theirs is the only one allowed.

Lad,they use children playing for sniper practice,and commit genocide against their neighbours

The public protest against aid going to starving refugees,they have failed utterly to make a civilisation (the left might love this GDP, identity politics and money,but that's clearly not made them a civilised people) and boasting of a culture that does this to anyone is bizzare

[marhay70]

20 years is the time limit for critism of murders?

Don't talk nonsense, that's not what I said and you know it.

Outline your strategy for Ireland to withdraw from the EU and become self sufficient . Put up or shut up.

[Setanta]

Don't talk nonsense, that's not what I said and you know it.

Outline your strategy for Ireland to withdraw from the EU and become self sufficient . Put up or shut up.

You'll have to refresh my memory of the multitudes of Irish troops killed by Israel

Tragic as they may be it's not exactly multitudes and none, as I said, in the last twenty years.

This is what I said,nowhere have I mentioned multitudes

Just so we're clear, Israel is also in the middle east,and have killed multiple Irish troops in the UN

Put up or shut up.

I am under no obligation to be silent on Ireland's relation to the EU, particularly when the EU has long since moved from a trading block and harmed Ireland with the banking bailouts to save German hedge funds leading directly to our problems today,to not impose arms embargos on a genocide and slicing away irish sovernitity with its migration pact (that noone here voted for,just the government gave it away)
you can't just demand any POV you disagree with be silenced......if we are all forced to hold same agenda or else be silenced,the world will be very boring

[knownunknown]

Lad,they use children playing for sniper practice,and commit genocide against their neighbours

The public protest against aid going to starving refugees,they have failed utterly to make a civilisation (the left might love this GDP, identity politics and money,but that's clearly not made them a civilised people) and boasting of a culture that does this to anyone is bizzare

That’s what you get in a functioning democracy- disagreement. People protest for all sorts of things. I think there was one woman out at Shannon airport protesting the US planes landing there for years.

Where you won’t find disagreement is within territories controlled by Hamas, the people who abducted hundreds and continue to hold them hostage. They rule with an iron fist, anyone who disagrees with them gets dropped off a 5 storey building with their hands tied behind their back. These are the people you call freedom fighters, religious lunatics.

They don’t care about the people they are supposed to protect, they spend their money on weapons and tunnels to shelter hostages, not civilians. Not on food and aid and bomb shelters.

The IRA never took pride in killing civilians like Hamas does while vowing to do it again repeatedly.

[Setanta]

That’s what you get in a functioning democracy- disagreement. People protest for all sorts of things. I think there was one woman out at Shannon airport protesting the US planes landing there for years.

Where you won’t find disagreement is within territories controlled by Hamas, the people who abducted hundreds and continue to hold them hostage. They rule with an iron fist, anyone who disagrees with them gets dropped off a 5 storey building with their hands tied behind their back. These are the people you call freedom fighters, religious lunatics.

They don’t care about the people they are supposed to protect, they spend their money on weapons and tunnels to shelter hostages, not civilians. Not on food and aid and bomb shelters.

The IRA never took pride in killing civilians like Hamas does while vowing to do it again repeatedly.

That’s what you get in a functioning democracy- disagreement.

Here's the thing,there's almost noone disagreeing with them,or any attempts to curtail them

Where you won’t find disagreement

Israel has not even got an agreed defined border?

They rule with an iron fist, anyone who disagrees with them gets dropped off a 5 storey building with their hands tied behind their back.

Whereas anyone(particularly journalists)who disagrees with Israel get their home bombed,to kill their families first and then assinated....seems to be a middle eastern problem,killing dissenters

spend their money on weapons and tunnels to shelter hostages, not civilians. Not on food and aid and bomb shelters

Why do they need bomb shelters?

[marhay70]

This is what I said,nowhere have I mentioned multitudes







I am under no obligation to be silent on Ireland's relation to the EU, particularly when the EU has long since moved from a trading block and harmed Ireland with the banking bailouts to save German hedge funds leading directly to our problems today,to not impose arms embargos on a genocide and slicing away irish sovernitity with its migration pact (that noone here voted for,just the government gave it away)
you can't just demand any POV you disagree with be silenced......if we are all forced to hold same agenda or else be silenced,the world will be very boring

Multiples is what I wrote , spellcheck must have changed it and you chose to ignore the post where I said "the only Irish people killed in the middle east in the last twenty years have been killed by those you choose to defend" I've never managed to master multiple quotes.
Nobody is challenging your right to question the EU or Ireland's membership. Your original position was that Ireland should become self sufficient and I challenged you to tell us how exactly we could do that, you have continually avoided answering that question presumably because you can't answer it. I'll ask it once again before it disappears once more into the fog of language. "How will Ireland become self-sufficient"

[Setanta]

Multiples is what I wrote , spellcheck must have changed it and you chose to ignore the post where I said "the only Irish people killed in the middle east in the last twenty years have been killed by those you choose to defend" I've never managed to master multiple quotes.
Nobody is challenging your right to question the EU or Ireland's membership. Your original position was that Ireland should become self sufficient and I challenged you to tell us how exactly we could do that, you have continually avoided answering that question presumably because you can't answer it. I'll ask it once again before it disappears once more into the fog of language. "How will Ireland become self-sufficient"

the only Irish people killed in the middle east in the last twenty years have been killed by those you choose to defend"

And again,I haven't defended any organisation (assuming Hezbollah?) in the middle east....most definitely not Isis who killed Irish people assisting the Kurds aswell

I've never managed to master multiple quotes

I use copy & paste,then put 'quote' into the square brackets [ ],insert the copy & paste,but you need '/' before 'quote' in second bracket!

I challenged you to tell us how exactly we could do that, you have continually avoided answering

I gave a Reasonable outline of starting position,and I'm happy to listen to,and platform anyone who wishes to expand upon it (admittedly could be tread of its own-but this genocide is what put me from passive on it),as I'm well open to it,and feel it's reasonable enough to listen all stakeholders and proposals on it......this whole relying on outsiders should started being curtailed from time of that shipping crisis in Suez canal, inflation outbof that said to me,its a farce,and we ourselves are better alone

[marhay70]

And again,I haven't defended any organisation (assuming Hezbollah?) in the middle east....most definitely not Isis who killed Irish people assisting the Kurds aswell



I use copy & paste,then put 'quote' into the square brackets [ ],insert the copy & paste,but you need '/' before 'quote' in second bracket!




I gave a Reasonable outline of starting position,and I'm happy to listen to,and platform anyone who wishes to expand upon it (admittedly could be tread of its own-but this genocide is what put me from passive on it),as I'm well open to it,and feel it's reasonable enough to listen all stakeholders and proposals on it......this whole relying on outsiders should started being curtailed from time of that shipping crisis in Suez canal, inflation outbof that said to me,its a farce,and we ourselves are better alone

You have never outlined a plan on how Ireland would be self sufficient, if you had, I wouldn't still be asking the question.
Refer me to where you outlined this plan.

[Setanta]

You have never outlined a plan on how Ireland would be self sufficient, if you had, I wouldn't still be asking the question.
Refer me to where you outlined this plan.

move away from leaning into Europe anyway....we decrease our reliance on forgien companies (corner market in generic drugs for one)and tax breaks to paper up a disastrous domestic economy

We can be relatively well secure on food,and stop chasing Europe's tail and being forced into bailouts and migration pacts that destroy the country and bleed away our sovereignty

A domestic economy should support and supply the domestic population,and not being reliant on companies and businesses with no loyalty to eire......there is no reason an Irish company cannot achieve the top in tech/pharma sector (otherwise what is the point of having a tech/pharma sector,if it's not to train our own to excellence and build a sustainable future industry?)


We can develop the bogs of bord na mona into large scale forestry plantations (spruce outgrows Swedish by 4 times here),our climate is remarkable for it,develop this is into a massive sustainable,100% renewal aswell (from nursry to processing can be 100% self sufficient)export led industry to underpin the midlands and marginal counties,and stop the over reliance on Dublin to prop up rest of country..... eventually become world leaders in nursery and supply forestry,with our island be made into bio-security stronghold to underpin above

Take over complete processing of carcasses of animals killed here (something like 40% lamb killed is exported as whole carcass)


Begin process of deepening rivers in floodplains to return land to productivity and stop chasing tail on floods,and curtail the excessive application of mspa(this is environmental wish,moreso than self sufficient)

As I've said,.I'm happy to listen and platform any reasonable stakeholders and individuals who wish to build upon above,to disentangle from Europe (perhaps to a Hungary approach?),I've seen enough of Europe to know we have no say and they are immoral,this migration pact is a two year process,if it's renewed without a mandate to do so,il be happy to see a general strike in the country to bring a government into line


There is nothing inherently wrong with a country providing security for it's citizens and being self sufficient,and insulating itself as best possible from a chaotic world financial system,that requires ordinary shopkeepers to go broke and commit suicide,but banks can be bailed out

[marhay70]

We can be relatively well secure on food,and stop chasing Europe's tail and being forced into bailouts and migration pacts that destroy the country and bleed away our sovereignty

A domestic economy should support and supply the domestic population,and not being reliant on companies and businesses with no loyalty to eire......there is no reason an Irish company cannot achieve the top in tech/pharma sector (otherwise what is the point of having a tech/pharma sector,if it's not to train our own to excellence and build a sustainable future industry?)


We can develop the bogs of bord na mona into large scale forestry plantations (spruce outgrows Swedish by 4 times here),our climate is remarkable for it,develop this is into a massive sustainable,100% renewal aswell (from nursry to processing can be 100% self sufficient)export led industry to underpin the midlands and marginal counties,and stop the over reliance on Dublin to prop up rest of country..... eventually become world leaders in nursery and supply forestry,with our island be made into bio-security stronghold to underpin above

Take over complete processing of carcasses of animals killed here (something like 40% lamb killed is exported as whole carcass)


Begin process of deepening rivers in floodplains to return land to productivity and stop chasing tail on floods,and curtail the excessive application of mspa(this is environmental wish,moreso than self sufficient)

As I've said,.I'm happy to listen and platform any reasonable stakeholders and individuals who wish to build upon above,to disentangle from Europe (perhaps to a Hungary approach?),I've seen enough of Europe to know we have no say and they are immoral,this migration pact is a two year process,if it's renewed without a mandate to do so,il be happy to see a general strike in the country to bring a government into line


There is nothing inherently wrong with a country providing security for it's citizens and being self sufficient,and insulating itself as best possible from a chaotic world financial system,that requires ordinary shopkeepers to go broke and commit suicide,but banks can be bailed out

Most of this mirrors the policies implemented by De Valera and Lemass in the 1930s and which continued until Lemass, a realist and pragmatist, admitted the errors and sought to develop international trade and investment, including applying for membership of the EEC, During that period, poverty was rife, the population was decimated by emigration and shrank to its lowest ever level, unemployment was at a peak. Only when Lemass, to his credit, admitted that these policies had failed and strove to foster trade and FDI, did Irland begin to turn the corner. Ireland cannot sustain an isolationist economy, it just does not have the resources.

[Setanta]

Most of this mirrors the policies implemented by De Valera and Lemass in the 1930s and which continued until Lemass, a realist and pragmatist, admitted the errors and sought to develop international trade and investment, including applying for membership of the EEC, During that period, poverty was rife, the population was decimated by emigration and shrank to its lowest ever level, unemployment was at a peak. Only when Lemass, to his credit, admitted that these policies had failed and strove to foster trade and FDI, did Irland begin to turn the corner. Ireland cannot sustain an isolationist economy, it just does not have the resources.

Ireland cannot sustain an isolationist economy, it just does not have the resources.

In the era of pharma and tech,however it gives us a much further potential for divestment from deeper entanglement in the europe....we have every right to assert our independence as anyone else,not have a europe who arms a genocide,dictate who can and can't be here, particularly from outside the eu,in a migration pact

mirrors the policies implemented by De Valera and Lemass in the 1930

Which one?

[marhay70]

In the era of pharma and tech,however it gives us a much further potential for divestment from deeper entanglement in the europe....we have every right to assert our independence as anyone else,not have a europe who arms a genocide,dictate who can and can't be here, particularly from outside the eu,in a migration pact




Which one?
[/quot
Most of this mirrors the policies implemented by De Valera and Lemass in the 1930s and which continued until Lemass, a realist and pragmatist, admitted the errors and sought to develop international trade and investment, including applying for membership of the EEC, During that period, poverty was rife, the population was decimated by emigration and shrank to its lowest ever level, unemployment was at a peak. Only when Lemass, to his credit, admitted that these policies had failed and strove to foster trade and FDI, did Irland begin to turn the corner. Ireland cannot sustain an isolationist economy, it just does not have the resources.

Ireland cannot sustain an isolationist economy, it just does not have the resources.

In the era of pharma and tech,however it gives us a much further potential for divestment from deeper entanglement in the europe....we have every right to assert our independence as anyone else,not have a europe who arms a genocide,dictate who can and can't be here, particularly from outside the eu,in a migration pact

mirrors the policies implemented by De Valera and Lemass in the 1930

Which one?
[/quote]

Pharma and Tech are both the domain of multinationals, what are you suggesting?


Virtually all of your suggestions were first introduced by the FF governments from the 1930s. State companies from Bord an Mona to Irish Shipping to Irish Sugar, all of which, to a greater or lesser degree have ceased to exist and were only of short term viability.

[Setanta]

In the era of pharma and tech,however it gives us a much further potential for divestment from deeper entanglement in the europe....we have every right to assert our independence as anyone else,not have a europe who arms a genocide,dictate who can and can't be here, particularly from outside the eu,in a migration pact




Which one?

Pharma and Tech are both the domain of multinationals, what are you suggesting?


Virtually all of your suggestions were first introduced by the FF governments from the 1930s. State companies from Bord an Mona to Irish Shipping to Irish Sugar, all of which, to a greater or lesser degree have ceased to exist and were only of short term viability.
[/quote]

Pharma and Tech are both the domain of multinationals, what are you suggesting?

Establish and support our own.....what is the point of all this FDI,if we don't use it to support/train local Industrys to International standards......entire towns in this country been left wiped out economically when companies with no loyalty or obligation to them

State companies from Bord an Mona to Irish Shipping to Irish Sugar, all of which, to a greater or lesser degree have ceased to exist and were only of short term viability.

THE ESB was also introduced....there's zero wrong having a state company to ensure stuff gets done and provides security and services to peoples....childcare should be next to be set up.... privatisation has failed everywhere it's been tried

[marhay70]

Pharma and Tech are both the domain of multinationals, what are you suggesting?


Virtually all of your suggestions were first introduced by the FF governments from the 1930s. State companies from Bord an Mona to Irish Shipping to Irish Sugar, all of which, to a greater or lesser degree have ceased to exist and were only of short term viability.

Establish and support our own.....what is the point of all this FDI,if we don't use it to support/train local Industrys to International standards......entire towns in this country been left wiped out economically when companies with no loyalty or obligation to them





THE ESB was also introduced....there's zero wrong having a state company to ensure stuff gets done and provides security and services to peoples....childcare should be next to be set up.... privatisation has failed everywhere it's been tried
[/quote]

The ESB was a success because ut exploited two resources Ireland did have, water and turf.

International pharma companies do train local staff to high standards, I worked for one at one stage. International pharma produces products in Ireland for export, but you want to cut ties to other countries. International pharma import millions of tons of raw materials using mainly US dollars, any Irish company setting up would need to do the same. Where would we get US dollars? An Irish company setting up would need to compete against established international companies which would mean applying for licences to manufacture from those companies, why would they grant them? Unless, of course, you envisage going down the R&D route and at some time in the distant future, using whatever funds we could find, we may stumble on the replacement for paracetamol. Ireland's population would then be back, probably to the levels it was in 1960. Who then, would we sell it to? Much the same parameters would apply to the Tech sector.

[Setanta]

Establish and support our own.....what is the point of all this FDI,if we don't use it to support/train local Industrys to International standards......entire towns in this country been left wiped out economically when companies with no loyalty or obligation to them





THE ESB was also introduced....there's zero wrong having a state company to ensure stuff gets done and provides security and services to peoples....childcare should be next to be set up.... privatisation has failed everywhere it's been tried

The ESB was a success because ut exploited two resources Ireland did have, water and turf.

International pharma companies do train local staff to high standards, I worked for one at one stage. International pharma produces products in Ireland for export, but you want to cut ties to other countries. International pharma import millions of tons of raw materials using mainly US dollars, any Irish company setting up would need to do the same. Where would we get US dollars? An Irish company setting up would need to compete against established international companies which would mean applying for licences to manufacture from those companies, why would they grant them? Unless, of course, you envisage going down the R&D route and at some time in the distant future, using whatever funds we could find, we may stumble on the replacement for paracetamol. Ireland's population would then be back, probably to the levels it was in 1960. Who then, would we sell it to? Much the same parameters would apply to the Tech sector.
[/quote]

but you want to cut ties to other countries.

Fairly important point,I've said disentangle from Europe,not cut ties,we don't need to be Europe's lapdogs,our present establishment are like the castle catholics of old,running country for and to outsiders benefit/wishes

An Irish company setting up would need to compete against established international companies which would mean applying for licences to manufacture from those companies

Irish companies can develop their own drugs,and also make generic drugs (woman went to my school has a business doing just this),all the while cornering the market on generic drugs in particular with a reputation for excellence,built upon the already established pharma sector

Much the same parameters would apply to the Tech sector.

This being the same tech sector,which has produced several Irish success stories already?,and is already in collaspe and difficulty job wise?

[marhay70]

The ESB was a success because ut exploited two resources Ireland did have, water and turf.

International pharma companies do train local staff to high standards, I worked for one at one stage. International pharma produces products in Ireland for export, but you want to cut ties to other countries. International pharma import millions of tons of raw materials using mainly US dollars, any Irish company setting up would need to do the same. Where would we get US dollars? An Irish company setting up would need to compete against established international companies which would mean applying for licences to manufacture from those companies, why would they grant them? Unless, of course, you envisage going down the R&D route and at some time in the distant future, using whatever funds we could find, we may stumble on the replacement for paracetamol. Ireland's population would then be back, probably to the levels it was in 1960. Who then, would we sell it to? Much the same parameters would apply to the Tech sector.

Fairly important point,I've said disentangle from Europe,not cut ties,we don't need to be Europe's lapdogs,our present establishment are like the castle catholics of old,running country for and to outsiders benefit/wishes



Irish companies can develop their own drugs,and also make generic drugs (woman went to my school has a business doing just this),all the while cornering the market on generic drugs in particular with a reputation for excellence,built upon the already established pharma sector




This being the same tech sector,which has produced several Irish success stories already?,and is already in collaspe and difficulty job wise?
[/quote]

Once again, has Brexit passed you by? You don't "disentangle" from the EU, you're either in or you're out. I'd love to know how you finance this with no income from exports, FDI, income tax, ( half the population will be gone). How will you finance the healthcare system, the educational system, the social welfare system. How will you buy fuel and raw materials, how will all these Irish entrepreneurs, obtain finance for all the R&D which may not see payback for fifty years, if ever? You say you'd like to emulate Hungary, have a read up on just how well Hungary is doing at the moment because of Orban's policies, how dissent is bubbling under the surface.
However, it's all moot, the people of Ireland are not stupid and there is no chance of Ireland withdrawing from the EU or the world stage, anytime soon, or thankfully, within my lifetime.

[Setanta]

Fairly important point,I've said disentangle from Europe,not cut ties,we don't need to be Europe's lapdogs,our present establishment are like the castle catholics of old,running country for and to outsiders benefit/wishes



Irish companies can develop their own drugs,and also make generic drugs (woman went to my school has a business doing just this),all the while cornering the market on generic drugs in particular with a reputation for excellence,built upon the already established pharma sector




This being the same tech sector,which has produced several Irish success stories already?,and is already in collaspe and difficulty job wise?

Once again, has Brexit passed you by? You don't "disentangle" from the EU, you're either in or you're out. I'd love to know how you finance this with no income from exports, FDI, income tax, ( half the population will be gone). How will you finance the healthcare system, the educational system, the social welfare system. How will you buy fuel and raw materials, how will all these Irish entrepreneurs, obtain finance for all the R&D which may not see payback for fifty years, if ever? You say you'd like to emulate Hungary, have a read up on just how well Hungary is doing at the moment because of Orban's policies, how dissent is bubbling under the surface.
However, it's all moot, the people of Ireland are not stupid and there is no chance of Ireland withdrawing from the EU or the world stage, anytime soon, or thankfully, within my lifetime.
[/quote]

You don't "disentangle" from the EU, you're either in or you're out

Except of course,the British had ample opportunities for better deals,but lost run of themselves....no mind the view that disentangle= leave, which it deosnt....we need people to disrupt it,and dismantle it's institutions as we have no say in their running

the people of Ireland are not stupid and there is no chance of Ireland withdrawing from the EU or the world stage, anytime soon, or thankfully, within my lifetime.

It's aswell noone is suggesting this then.....but I've seen enough of Ireland being party to terrorism and attacking the world....I'm old enough to remember when people would silence and shout down anyone saying we shouldn't let em us Shannon airport due to American FDI....now they have become emboldened to point the US and EU arm an active genocide....bit by bit, they've bought out our sovernitity,for prosperity built off of slaughter,it's no difference to when people here collaborated with the British for their grubby little empire......what is ethical different in prospering off Europe and America genocide,than the profiting the kinihans do,other than alot less innocent people die over the kinihans

[marhay70]

Once again, has Brexit passed you by? You don't "disentangle" from the EU, you're either in or you're out. I'd love to know how you finance this with no income from exports, FDI, income tax, ( half the population will be gone). How will you finance the healthcare system, the educational system, the social welfare system. How will you buy fuel and raw materials, how will all these Irish entrepreneurs, obtain finance for all the R&D which may not see payback for fifty years, if ever? You say you'd like to emulate Hungary, have a read up on just how well Hungary is doing at the moment because of Orban's policies, how dissent is bubbling under the surface.
However, it's all moot, the people of Ireland are not stupid and there is no chance of Ireland withdrawing from the EU or the world stage, anytime soon, or thankfully, within my lifetime.

Except of course,the British had ample opportunities for better deals,but lost run of themselves....no mind the view that disentangle= leave, which it deosnt....we need people to disrupt it,and dismantle it's institutions as we have no say in their running




It's aswell noone is suggesting this then.....but I've seen enough of Ireland being party to terrorism and attacking the world....I'm old enough to remember when people would silence and shout down anyone saying we shouldn't let em us Shannon airport due to American FDI....now they have become emboldened to point the US and EU arm an active genocide....bit by bit, they've bought out our sovernitity,for prosperity built off of slaughter,it's no difference to when people here collaborated with the British for their grubby little empire......what is ethical different in prospering off Europe and America genocide,than the profiting the kinihans do,other than alot less innocent people die over the kinihans
[/quote]

The Brits could only have got better deals by remaining within certain spheres of influence of the EU, they chose not to do so, "Brexit means Brexit" was the clarion call. They got what they wanted and have spent the years since, complaining about it.
Long may Ireland continue her ties with the EU and the US.
I'm still waiting to hear where the funding will come from for this proposed self sufficiency.

[PureIsle]

Now, back to the issue at hand - Israel and Palestine.

John Mearsheimer speaking to Napolitano deals with both Lancet and Haaretz recent reports dealing with numbers killed and the Hannibal Doctrine excuted by the Israeli forces on Oct. 7th.




I still have no great expectation that we will ever get the real numbers of who killed how many on that day. Anyway here is one report about the Haaretz article.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... ck-haaretz

[PureIsle]

The Palestinian view of events:-

- The Mawasi Khan Yunis massacre constitutes a dangerous escalation in a series of crimes and massacres that are unprecedented in the history of wars.

- The Al-Mawasi area was classified by the occupation army as “safe areas” and called on citizens to move there, as occupation aircraft, artillery and drones intensively and successively targeted the tents of the displaced with various types of weapons, leaving hundreds of martyrs and wounded innocent and defenseless civilians.

The occupation’s claims about targeting leaders are false allegations, and this is not the first time it claims to target Palestinian leaders, and they later turn out to be false. These false allegations are only to cover up the scale of the horrific massacre.

The massacre is a clear confirmation by the Zionist government of its continuation of the war of extermination against our Palestinian people through the repeated and systematic targeting of defenseless civilians.

This disregard for international law and treaties and the widespread violations against defenseless civilians would not have continued without the support provided by the American administration to the Zionist extremist government and its terrorist army by covering up its crimes, providing it with all means of political and military support, and paralyzing the hand of international justice from carrying out its role towards these crimes, which is what makes it a full partner in it.

Al Akhbar

Reports of 71 dead and scores injured in the latest massacre in Khan Yunis.

So the genocide continues.

... and for some details of what the other side has to say read this


https://x.com/SuppressedNws/status/1812191673897619479



Update:

The death number is now at 90 with 300 more wounded, including some in serious condition and considering the lack of medical facilities a number of those will most likely die also.

[PureIsle]

Will the USA now change its stance on a two-state solution?
Yes it has been widely recognised, and stated many times by Israeli politicians that there will never be a Palestinian state while Israel exists.

Maybe the suggestion that Israel be moved to within the USA where it is so loved, would be a good idea?

Unfortunately I see no change in the USA's support for the ongoing genocide in Palestine. In fact that has been ramping up recently but crickets from those who could control it.

Knesset firmly rejects Palestinian statehood ahead of Netanyahu’s US trip
Several countries recently recognized Palestine as a state, coinciding with mounting outrage over the genocide war in Gaza

The Israeli Knesset passed a vote early on 18 July, rejecting the establishment of a Palestinian state.

The resolution was supported by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s ruling coalition and several opposition parties, including Benny Gantz’s National Unity party.

Lawmakers from opposition leader Yair Lapid’s Yesh Atid party walked out on the vote, while members of Labor, Raam, and Hadash-Taal parties opposed it. The resolution was passed with a 68-9 vote.

https://thecradle.co/articles/knesset-f ... us-us-trip

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But the IDF is the most moral army in the whole wide world .... believe it or you are anti-Jew!
There is no genocide in Palestine ... believe it or you are anti-Jew!

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Will the USA now change its stance on a two-state solution?
Yes it has been widely recognised, and stated many times by Israeli politicians that there will never be a Palestinian state while Israel exists.

Maybe the suggestion that Israel be moved to within the USA where it is so loved, would be a good idea?

Unfortunately I see no change in the USA's support for the ongoing genocide in Palestine. In fact that has been ramping up recently but crickets from those who could control it.





https://thecradle.co/articles/knesset-f ... us-us-trip

I can't see any country wanting to take in a bunch of deranged religious zealots and war criminals tbh


The US is working overtime to get nethanyus arrest warrant delayed and stop the UK from withdrawing it's challenge.....it's a pity now,that Ireland deosnt have an air force,to force his planes to land at Shannon coming back from its US stopover


It's likely Israel will end up cedeing land and an international protection force be needed to put in,to keep them away from palestinians after this war,a genocide like this, shouldn't be allowed to ever happen again