Israel and Palestine

[PureIsle]

How can we not?

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As I already stated, the people would not have the regression in living standards and facilities or indeed the convenience.
This country is 'bought and paid for'.

Now if you lay out a step by step method of bringing the population along with your idea and supporting it, regardless the ill effect it would have on their standard of living, I am 'all ears' and willing to support it.

Up to you to show in minute steps how you would propose to achieve your goal.
Asking a question, as above quote, explains nothing about "how".

[Setanta]

As I already stated, the people would not have the regression in living standards and facilities or indeed the convenience.
This country is 'bought and paid for'.

Now if you lay out a step by step method of bringing the population along with your idea and supporting it, regardless the ill effect it would have on their standard of living, I am 'all ears' and willing to support it.

Up to you to show in minute steps how you would propose to achieve your goal.
Asking a question, as above quote, explains nothing about "how".

People's lives and living standards have been regressing year on year,as it is here.....we have some of worst slums in Europe,the government wants to force out locals to bring in poor immigrants,to assist in its theft of wealth of country to mega corporations and 1% here

What living standards are so good,we have children dying in ER wards,record breaking homelessness,a failed domestic economy,a social collapse, suicide,drug and substance abuse/addiction and domestic violence are endemic in this country.....the left want to lie to us,that we've to accept this to appease an overclass of mega forgien corporation workers to enrich outsiders....they actively piss away our sovernity and neutrality,to eventually arrive at position to conscript our youth to euro army to commit terrible deeds in the name of the leftist agenda in Israel,likely to continue,free staters proud tradition of assisting slaughter of villages in Mali,and now Russia


Outside of the Uber rich,this country is a shithole for the average man,and now we are tied to a social collapse,by an establishment that dispises the public.....it's fairly easy,put a disentanglement from Europe and it's forever wars party in front of people and let them decide between ourselves alone,or having their children and neighbours slaughtered for the PC agenda in east of the ukraine


This country survives since day 1 on lies, propaganda and bullshit the public on the civil war,and has provided a base of gullible public who accept truism and establishment nonsense,it's time to begin educating the public on how evil the left here is,by smashing their lies,as step one,and as soon as people see through the establishment lies,they'll stop accepting our support for genocide and begin to accpet the truth of needing to go alone,rather than have governments who lie and piss away our sovereignty for left mega corporation's

[PureIsle]

People's lives and living standards have been regressing year on year,as it is here.....we have some of worst slums in Europe,the government wants to force out locals to bring in poor immigrants,to assist in its theft of wealth of country to mega corporations and 1% here

What living standards are so good,we have children dying in ER wards,record breaking homelessness,a failed domestic economy,a social collapse, suicide,drug and substance abuse/addiction and domestic violence are endemic in this country.....the left want to lie to us,that we've to accept this to appease an overclass of mega forgien corporation workers to enrich outsiders....they actively piss away our sovernity and neutrality,to eventually arrive at position to conscript our youth to euro army to commit terrible deeds in the name of the leftist agenda in Israel,likely to continue,free staters proud tradition of assisting slaughter of villages in Mali,and now Russia


Outside of the Uber rich,this country is a shithole for the average man,and now we are tied to a social collapse,by an establishment that dispises the public.....it's fairly easy,put a disentanglement from Europe and it's forever wars party in front of people and let them decide between ourselves alone,or having their children and neighbours slaughtered for the PC agenda in east of the ukraine


This country survives since day 1 on lies, propaganda and bullshit the public on the civil war,and has provided a base of gullible public who accept truism and establishment nonsense,it's time to begin educating the public on how evil the left here is,by smashing their lies,as step one,and as soon as people see through the establishment lies,they'll stop accepting our support for genocide and begin to accpet the truth of needing to go alone,rather than have governments who lie and piss away our sovereignty for left mega corporation's

1. So, your solution is to put a 'disentanglement' proposal before the people for them to hopefully, in your scenario, to agree with it.

2. But on the other hand you point out that we have "a base of gullible public who accept truism and establishment nonsense" so there is no way such a proposal would be carried.

Your solution to this is then to "begin educating the public on how evil the left here is" but no indication how that could be achieved, especially considering point two above, or how long it might take if at all possible.

There is, IMO, a much better chance of the EU collapsing than achieving the goals you set out by the means you stated.

[PureIsle]

When former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon was queried about how the rest of the world might respond to Israel using its nukes to effectively wipe out its Arab neighbors, he responded

“That depends on who does it and how quickly it happens. We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force… We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.”

The supporters of the Israeli genocide in Palestine would do well to remember those words and to realise that Israel is now even more militaristic and batshit crazy than it has ever been before. By all polls done within Israel the madness is hugely supported by the Israeli population.

[Setanta]

1. So, your solution is to put a 'disentanglement' proposal before the people for them to hopefully, in your scenario, to agree with it.

2. But on the other hand you point out that we have "a base of gullible public who accept truism and establishment nonsense" so there is no way such a proposal would be carried.

Your solution to this is then to "begin educating the public on how evil the left here is" but no indication how that could be achieved, especially considering point two above, or how long it might take if at all possible.

There is, IMO, a much better chance of the EU collapsing than achieving the goals you set out by the means you stated.

I've yet to see anyone who voted for the governments recent pissing away of sovereignty or anyone who wants to die/their kids to die for the EU army tbh.....people needs to be told truth on what the left and mega corporation's plan for the average man on street


Never said,there's no way such a proposal will be carried....but we do need to begin eroding the lies of which the free state is built,before our people are conscripted to die for mega corporation's and the 1% here

how long it might take if at all possible.

A journey of a 1000 miles begins with the first step,and I've seen enough of the EU,leftists here and their facilitating of genocide to think its time to take back control of our own country

[PureIsle]

I've yet to see anyone who voted for the governments recent pissing away of sovereignty or anyone who wants to die/their kids to die for the EU army tbh.....people needs to be told truth on what the left and mega corporation's plan for the average man on street

The truth is out there.
People either do not want to hear it or are too propagandised to accept it.

Never said,there's no way such a proposal will be carried....but we do need to begin eroding the lies of which the free state is built,before our people are conscripted to die for mega corporation's and the 1% here

I never said you did - I said that.

A journey of a 1000 miles begins with the first step,and I've seen enough of the EU,leftists here and their facilitating of genocide to think its time to take back control of our own country

By whom and by what means that has any hope of success?

[Norman Breaks]

Russia supports Palestine. I'm sure they have their strategic reasons for this but I like to see it.

[Norman Breaks]

Israel is toast.

[PureIsle]

Israel is toast.

What a white-wash of the USA administration!

Israel is a USA bitch, doing what it is told.
The vast majority of Israeli citizens not only agree with what the Netanyahu government is doing, but a large portion of them complain not more is being done.

So it is not just Netanyahu, nor is it just Israel, it is the USA feeding and guiding the elimination of the Palestinian people both in Gaza and the West Bank.
The Israelis want it all, without any Palestinians!

A 'two state' solution is no longer possible.
Netanyahu and his mates won't allow it.

Only solution I see is the elimination of the Israeli state.
If Israel survives then wars will continue in the region, until eventually it gets sorted.
Israelis, at various levels, have made that clear.
The USA is firmly behind them.

[Quato]

When former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon was queried about how the rest of the world might respond to Israel using its nukes to effectively wipe out its Arab neighbors, he responded

“That depends on who does it and how quickly it happens. We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force… We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.”

The supporters of the Israeli genocide in Palestine would do well to remember those words and to realise that Israel is now even more militaristic and batshit crazy than it has ever been before. By all polls done within Israel the madness is hugely supported by the Israeli population.

Could you supply a reliable source for that quote? I doubt very very much that Sharon ever said anything like this. Israel never confirms or denies possessions of nuclear weapons. It runs a policy of deliberate ambiguity. That way everyone is left in the dark.

[PureIsle]

Could you supply a reliable source for that quote? I doubt very very much that Sharon ever said anything like this. Israel never confirms or denies possessions of nuclear weapons. It runs a policy of deliberate ambiguity. That way everyone is left in the dark.

Sorry, cannot do.
It was something I had stored but no reference stored.
You are correct, and I should not have posted that without checking it beforehand.
I am unsure why I stored it ... possibly to check for the same reason you gave.
I am unable to delete it now unfortunately, but would be happy if a mod were to intervene and delete it.
Damn!

[PureIsle]

Quato wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 9:37 pm
Could you supply a reliable source for that quote? I doubt very very much that Sharon ever said anything like this. Israel never confirms or denies possessions of nuclear weapons. It runs a policy of deliberate ambiguity. That way everyone is left in the dark.

I found the source I believe

https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israel-goe ... -genocide/

Written By

Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation (Federal ID Number #52-1739023) that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is councilforthenationalinterest.org, address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is inform@cnionline.org.

[PureIsle]

So now Israel has decided it is time to invade what is left of the Palestinian West Bank, in the biggest military operation there since 2002.

https://x.com/GazaMartyrs/status/182872 ... rjvOg&s=19

[Norman Breaks]

The violent actions of a dying nation.
RIH Israel.

[Setanta]

So now Israel has decided it is time to invade what is left of the Palestinian West Bank, in the biggest military operation there since 2002.

https://x.com/GazaMartyrs/status/182872 ... rjvOg&s=19

They have Gaza flattened...surely the obvious next step in their actions is to make the west bank uninhabitable for palestinians


Personally feel,the media and YouTubers have lied to me about Muslims and their levels of radicalisation.....fellows qued up in factories to join the provos after bloody Sunday and during hunger strikes here,them clowns in Austria aside,there hasn't been any notable step up in active Islamic terrorism plots

[Setanta]

That black woman over in America,tore Isreal propagandists to shreds on piers Morgan on tik tok.....not so sure her name,but the deliberate targeting for extermination,of the oldest Christians in the world,has split American religious extremists

There's a strong chance,this genocide,could permenatly weaken Israeli influence in America,an entire generation of politicians have been tied to outright,blindly arming and supporting a genocide,the same generation who sought to bring democracy to middle east,leave a worse legacy,than those they sought to over throw

[Norman Breaks]

Do you mean Candace Owens and the Rabbi Schmoldy or whatever his name is?

[Setanta]

Do you mean Candace Owens and the Rabbi Schmoldy or whatever his name is?

That's the woman,she tore shreds off him.....there's nothing I dispise more than someone who will lie,and bullshit me,into believing wrong is right


I seen that woman before on tik tok clips,and she can be sketch enough in outlook,but good lord,did she tear shreds off of him,and Zionists in general....that pic of that little girl in rollarskates they shot, actually made my stomach turn.....nearly 12 months into this slaughter,wanton destruction and Israel has failed to achieve significant military objectives,rockets are still being launched,ambushes still being laid,and hostages still held....while politically they are forever known as genocidists,lead by a wanted war criminals

[Norman Breaks]

Yea, I'm not a fan of her by a long stretch but she did indeed slay that buffoon of a Rabbi. I was actually surprised that he let her go on so long without interruption but I think he was just so stunned by the veracity and accuracy . He was at a loss for words.

To your next point, Palestinian resistance fighters were celebrating the failed military action by the IOF in Jenin.

[Setanta]

Yea, I'm not a fan of her by a long stretch but she did indeed slay that buffoon of a Rabbi. I was actually surprised that he let her go on so long without interruption but I think he was just so stunned by the veracity and accuracy . He was at a loss for words.

To your next point, Palestinian resistance fighters were celebrating the failed military action by the IOF in Jenin.

Hamas has one potential massive security flaw going forward,the sheer number of youngsters who are going to swell it's ranks,will make potential spies/undercover agents who drive Isis style extremism to discredit it,is huge......be interesting to see level of vetting it'll do for next generation of fighters

I would suspect Israel will likely have to concede the south of the country in any peace agreement to avoid its leadership being hunted for decades like the nazis were

[Setanta]

Israel back doing,what they do best,bombing refugees in tents

The same night an Israeli plane,known to carry munitions flew over Ireland (and across several EU states)....it's time to blockade them by air aswell

[PureIsle]

On the 340th day of the Israeli genocide in Gaza, Israeli brutality was manifested in massacres in the al-Mawasi area, where Israeli occupation forces wiped out entire families burying tens of them under tons of sand in a zone once labeled "humanitarian" by the occupation.

In only 24 hours, Israeli occupation forces committed three massacres against Palestinian families in Gaza, killing 32 Palestinians and injuring 100 others, excluding the toll from the al-Mawasi.

Since October 7, Israeli occupation forces have killed 41,020 Palestinians and injured 94,925 others, according to the Ministry of Health in the Strip.

- Vanessa Beeley

That says it all - nothing to add.

[PureIsle]

I do not trust the WHO.
I do not trust Wm. Gates or any of the businesses he is associated with.
I do not trust the Israeli regime.

Now we have Israel 'allowing' a vaccination roll out to Palestinian children - some 640,000 of them - after Israel has been using their best endeavours to eliminate those same children along with the 41,000 or so Palestinians they have eliminated since October last year.
During that time Israel has prevented food, medicine, fuel and even potable water from entering Gaza.
They have bombed the place to hell, causing destruction of all services, including rupturing sewage. Sewage has spewed out on the streets in some places due to the bombing.

So having created the conditions for the genocide of all the Palestinians in Gaza, including bombing, starvation, unsanitary conditions, destroying hospitals and medical centres, and killing medical personell, including those manning emergency vehicles/ambulances, Israel now wants to save the children from a Polio virus, which last I read, had been confirmed in one child. I do not recall who confirmed that diagnosis.

It appears from what I read that it is a vaccine-derived poliio virus 2 which has been found. One would ask from where this might have come, as Gaza has been polio free for about 25 years or so, and no polio vaccine has been distributed there since. Oddly it is reported that Israel vaccinates their personnel against polio virus 2 ... makes one wonder!

Anyway, the remaining children of Gaza are to get an experimental genetically modified oral polio virus vaccine ..... from Gates and the WHO ...... delivered when Israel takes a pause in their bombing to facilitate the roll out.

Am I supposed to believe that Israel has had a change of heart?
Having killed some 13,000 children so far Israel now wants to facilitate saving the rest of them?

Yeah, it must be that Israel has seen the light and wishes to save the Palestinian people in Gaza from destruction.
...... or maybe Israel wants them kept alive so Israel has the opportunity to kill them in similar manner to those children who have gone before?
...... or maybe Israel reckons the experimental genetically modified oral drops will do the elimination for them?

Who knows? It is Israel after all!

[Setanta]

I do not trust the WHO.
I do not trust Wm. Gates or any of the businesses he is associated with.
I do not trust the Israeli regime.

Now we have Israel 'allowing' a vaccination roll out to Palestinian children - some 640,000 of them - after Israel has been using their best endeavours to eliminate those same children along with the 41,000 or so Palestinians they have eliminated since October last year.
During that time Israel has prevented food, medicine, fuel and even potable water from entering Gaza.
They have bombed the place to hell, causing destruction of all services, including rupturing sewage. Sewage has spewed out on the streets in some places due to the bombing.

So having created the conditions for the genocide of all the Palestinians in Gaza, including bombing, starvation, unsanitary conditions, destroying hospitals and medical centres, and killing medical personell, including those manning emergency vehicles/ambulances, Israel now wants to save the children from a Polio virus, which last I read, had been confirmed in one child. I do not recall who confirmed that diagnosis.

It appears from what I read that it is a vaccine-derived poliio virus 2 which has been found. One would ask from where this might have come, as Gaza has been polio free for about 25 years or so, and no polio vaccine has been distributed there since. Oddly it is reported that Israel vaccinates their personnel against polio virus 2 ... makes one wonder!

Anyway, the remaining children of Gaza are to get an experimental genetically modified oral polio virus vaccine ..... from Gates and the WHO ...... delivered when Israel takes a pause in their bombing to facilitate the roll out.

Am I supposed to believe that Israel has had a change of heart?
Having killed some 13,000 children so far Israel now wants to facilitate saving the rest of them?

Yeah, it must be that Israel has seen the light and wishes to save the Palestinian people in Gaza from destruction.
...... or maybe Israel wants them kept alive so Israel has the opportunity to kill them in similar manner to those children who have gone before?
...... or maybe Israel reckons the experimental genetically modified oral drops will do the elimination for them?

Who knows? It is Israel after all!

Their political leadership has an active war crime arrest warrant out for them,they are going to try and bullshit the world in a future war crime commission and use this vaccination programme as a defence

I genuinely hope,I live long enough to see,the fúckers hang for all the innocent people they've slaughtered,and absolute lies and bullshit propaganda they've said to justify this slaughter

[Norman Breaks]

Don't you need to be healthy for most of these types of vaccines? Lots of pictures of starving kids, not sure their immune system can handle a live virus dose.