Israel and Palestine

[knownunknown]

Everything but address the genocide and DELIBERATE murder of medics by Israel.
If you want to discuss other locations and event then there are other threads for that.

Keep posting showing yourself up for what you are!
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Deliberate is your interpretation, yet you say the Russians did it by accident, again your interpretation you know the intention of neither. Videos in the past such as the Nick Sandman of the Covington catholic scandal highlight how easy it is for interpretation to be wrong.

Terrorist groups have been abusing the rules of war in places like Syria and Gaza because it’s the safest and easiest way to offer them protection. Until recently they could fire rockets with impunity from hospitals and schools and use ambulances to drive around terrorists and their weapons. That is until the IDF started declaring war zones and forcing the civilian residents to move out. Here is how that’s done https://www.idf.il/en/mini-sites/israel ... ir-safety/.

[Setanta]

Deliberate is your interpretation

You don't honestly believe the children turning up in hospitals with bullet wounds from being sniped to the head,were accidents do you.....or the hundreds of mass graves were accidental


At some stage, Zionists have to accept responsibility for their actions and stop pretending 400K Gazans missing is,somehow an accident

[PureIsle]

When ambulances attend the scene with headlights on and their emergency lights flashing, and exit the vehicles with their high-viz medical attire, and then get fired upon by a military unit, and the survivors get shot, and the whole lot buried along with their ambulances, there is little interpretation required.

But of course I would not expect a supporter of genocide to agree.

[Setanta]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... -of-israel

Free speech is going well for the Jews of the UK,now their own want em silenced for not towing the agreed left agenda

[PureIsle]

No more words are needed.

[PureIsle]

South Africa presents case against Israel at World Court
In its argument before the International Court of Justice at The Hague on Tuesday, Pretoria accused West Jerusalem of plunging Gaza into widespread suffering

https://www.rt.com/africa/616551-south- ... st-israel/

In a landmark legal move, South Africa has formally presented its case before the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in The Hague, accusing Israel of serious violations of international law and human rights in the Palestinian territories, especially Gaza.

This is the first time a state has brought such a comprehensive legal challenge to Israel’s conduct in the occupied Palestinian territories before the ICJ, highlighting growing global concern over the ongoing crisis.

[PureIsle]

... and just to make sure everyone remains aware of how Israel regards international law they attack a civilian ship in International Waters that is carrying humanitarian aid ....

https://thecradle.co/articles/israeli-d ... alta-coast

Israeli drone bombs Gaza Freedom Flotilla near Malta coast
The attack comes as a food crisis in Gaza is worsening due to Israel’s total siege and closure of all border crossings

[Setanta]

... and just to make sure everyone remains aware of how Israel regards international law they attack a civilian ship in International Waters that is carrying humanitarian aid ....

https://thecradle.co/articles/israeli-d ... alta-coast

They were trying to take out Greta thunberg and silence any high profile person who can't be bought....a shinner in Waterford,was forcefully interrogated by mossad in 2010 for trying to bring nappies as part of an aid floatilla.....he seemingly used display a tooth he claimed to knocked out of one of his interrogators, in lockins after committee meetings


I think something needs to be done to lift that blockade though,are the Irish navy still in the Mediterranean?

[PureIsle]

It looks like the blocade won't matter much in the short term if the Israelis get their way!

Israeli army, intel chiefs give 'final tactical approval' for total invasion of Gaza
Top Israeli officials have declared that in a matter of months 'Gaza will be totally destroyed' and ready to be occupied by Jewish settlers

https://thecradle.co/articles/israeli-a ... on-of-gaza

[Setanta]

It looks like the blocade won't matter much in the short term if the Israelis get their way!



https://thecradle.co/articles/israeli-a ... on-of-gaza

I was slated before for pointing out the obvious,they need weapons to defend themselves,now children are dying in droves from stravation and outbreak of disease is inevitable


Leftie do-gooders are good for fúck all,if you can't defend yourself,your family,your property and your neighbourhood from.attack,your at nothing and perpetually at risk from a government or outsiders destroying you

[PureIsle]

Israeli cabinet vote formalizes de facto annexation of West Bank's Area C

For the first time, Israel's cabinet has voted to assume exclusive control over land registration in Area C of the occupied West Bank — 60% of the territory — effectively nullifying any Palestinian claims to the land.

The move, seen as de facto annexation, voids Palestinian land registry efforts and paves the way for expanded settlement building.

War Minister Israel Katz said the decision will “strengthen and expand” Jewish settlements.

... and so it continues ..... killings, land grabs, deliberate starvation and all the other horrendous crimes and no one intervenes.

[knownunknown]

The experiment hasn’t worked. Since Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, forcing all their civilians out, some 21 different settlements; all that has followed is war, death and terrorism. Jordan, who take in most Palestinians, didn’t even want to administer the West Bank(1988 withdrawal) and you have to wonder why. (Maybe something to do with black September)


Framing this as a land grab is sensational and ridiculous. Anyone else other than murderous religious ideologues overseeing Judea and Samaria can only be a good thing. Some 9,000 Israelis were forced out of their homes to appease the Palestinian state in 2005, despite Palestinian administrations repeatedly turning down statehood in the Oslo accords of ‘98. They have repeatedly turned down the offer of statehood because they want to kill Jews, all Jews from the river to the sea. They could have had a paradise with the amount of aid they received over the decades being diverted to help the people rather than fund weapons and terrorism to kill the Jews.

Anyone not hoodwinked by Hamas propaganda would see this. The Palestinians themselves when seen on the streets of Gaza were protesting against Hamas, not Israel.

[knownunknown]

They were offered a state repeatedly and turned it down. They know if they have a state then they will no longer have a stick to beat Israel with.

[Setanta]

They were offered a state repeatedly and turned it down. They know if they have a state then they will no longer have a stick to beat Israel with.

Why did Israel have a meltdown and rage quit Ireland for recognising a Palestine state?

[PureIsle]

Israeli PM Netanyahu says Israel is actively seeking countries to take in Palestinians from Gaza, claiming more than 50% are expected to leave.

He announced that Israel will soon launch a full-scale assault to 'complete the military operation and destroy Hamas,' and that while a temporary ceasefire may occur, the war will not stop.

Netanyahu confirmed that the Israeli cabinet has approved a plan to expand the occupation of Gaza, with officials indicating that full occupation is on the table.

... nothing to see here .... except multiple war crimes and genocide ....... but it is Israel so not many care to do anything about it.

[knownunknown]

Why did Israel have a meltdown and rage quit Ireland for recognising a Palestine state?

Because it was seen as a reward for starting a war, murdering thousands of civilians in cold blood, taking hundreds as hostage. It was the most disgusting virtue signal I’ve ever seen by this country. It ranks right up there with “she was lost but now is found”.

They’ve had a chance of establishing a state many times and have repeatedly turned it down.

[Setanta]

Because it was seen as a reward for starting a war, murdering thousands of civilians in cold blood, taking hundreds as hostage. It was the most disgusting virtue signal I’ve ever seen by this country. It ranks right up there with “she was lost but now is found”.

They’ve had a chance of establishing a state many times and have repeatedly turned it down.

147 out of 200 countries recognise Palestine,it wasn't a reward for anything,only bring Ireland into line with most of the world


It's the least Ireland could do,this level of genocide shouldn't be left happen again, particularly after we suffered our own famine from occupiers,

[knownunknown]

147 out of 200 countries recognise Palestine,it wasn't a reward for anything,only bring Ireland into line with most of the world


It's the least Ireland could do,this level of genocide shouldn't be left happen again, particularly after we suffered our own famine from occupiers,

What are the borders of this state? It’s something the Palestinians have repeatedly rejected. That’s why other countries “recognizing” Palestine are just virtue signalling. The West Bank is governed by a different terrorist organization to Hamas, the plo, who are more secular in their values. I’m ok with recognising them as Palestinian administration and that’s why we’ve decided to hold relations with Ramallah, not Gaza.

[Setanta]

What are the borders of this state? It’s something the Palestinians have repeatedly rejected. That’s why other countries “recognizing” Palestine are just virtue signalling. The West Bank is governed by a different terrorist organization to Hamas, the plo, who are more secular in their values. I’m ok with recognising them as Palestinian administration and that’s why we’ve decided to hold relations with Ramallah, not Gaza.

The borders were drawn in 1948 by the UN,simple enough stuff mate


Speaking of the west bank,wasn't that supposed to handed over in 2000 to the PA,ever before anyone ever heard tell of hamas,why isn't handed over yet?

[knownunknown]

The borders were drawn in 1948 by the UN,simple enough stuff mate


Speaking of the west bank,wasn't that supposed to handed over in 2000 to the PA,ever before anyone ever heard tell of hamas,why isn't handed over yet?

The borders “drawn” in the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine in 1949 triggered a war(the very next day) whereby five Arab armies marched on Israel to destroy it, to wipe it off the map, to turn them into as the green prince says, “fish food”.

The borders were proposed by the UN yet the Palestinians/arabs never agreed to a two state solution.

If you start a war and lose you lose territory. It always has and always will happen. It’s to deter countries from starting wars in the first place. They never learned their lesson though as they started four more wars since, 1969, 1st and 2nd intifadas, and the Oct. 6th. If they started four wars and lose nothing what is there to deter them from doing it again?

In 1947, the United Nations proposed the partition of Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab states, with Jerusalem as an internationally administered city. While the Jewish community largely accepted this plan, the Arab community rejected it, leading to the outbreak of civil war.

On May 14, 1948, the State of Israel was established, marking the end of British rule in Palestine. This event triggered the first Arab-Israeli War, involving neighboring Arab countries, which ultimately led to the displacement of hundreds of thousands of Palestinian Arabs.

[Setanta]

The borders “drawn” in the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine in 1949 triggered a war(the very next day) whereby five Arab armies marched on Israel to destroy it, to wipe it off the map, to turn them into as the green prince says, “fish food”.

The borders were proposed by the UN yet the Palestinians/arabs never agreed to a two state solution.

If you start a war and lose you lose territory. It always has and always will happen. It’s to deter countries from starting wars in the first place. They never learned their lesson though as they started four more wars since, 1969, 1st and 2nd intifadas, and the Oct. 6th. If they started four wars and lose nothing what is there to deter them from doing it again?

Ya,thats the borders,is it true 98% of the fighting in subsequent war,took place in Palestine territory?

If you start a war and lose you lose territory

Nah you don't,this is hilarious,who told you this?,what part of America did the yanks hand over to the viet Cong,or the Taliban when they fled Afghanistan?

If they started four wars and lose nothing what is there to deter them from doing it again?

Again,how much of the fighting in these wars took place in palestinian assigned territory?

[knownunknown]

Ya,thats the borders,is it true 98% of the fighting in subsequent war,took place in Palestine territory?



Nah you don't,this is hilarious,who told you this?,what part of America did the yanks hand over to the viet Cong,or the Taliban when they fled Afghanistan?



Again,how much of the fighting in these wars took place in palestinian assigned territory?

Those borders were never agreed to be the Arabs. That’s why they fought so many wars since. Israel was happy with that proposal. It’s there in black and white, had they agreed to it in 1949 none of this would have happened, but instead 5 nations joined them to wipe Israel off the map.

The US lost control of Afghanistan. They were in control, then they lost it. They didn’t lose a war, they didn’t have enough resources to sustain it. Similar but different.

Germany lost a war, Japan lost a war they lost large amounts of territory, wars that they started to conquer others just like the Arabs initiated vs Israel.

[knownunknown]

This was the agreement after the war of 48.

“By the end of the war, the State of Israel had captured about 78% of former territory of the mandate, the Kingdom of Jordan had captured and later annexed the area that became the West Bank, and Egypt had captured the Gaza Strip. The war formally ended with the 1949 Armistice Agreements, which established the Green Line demarcating these territories.“

Jordan went on to give up its control of the West Bank (1988) and Egypt lost control in 1967 after it started another war trying to wipe Israel off the map.

[PureIsle]

It must be difficult to know on whose land fighting takes place as Israel has never defined its borders.

Israel has never declared exact, fully recognized borders. Since its establishment in 1948, Israel's borders have remained largely undefined and disputed due to wars, armistice agreements, and ongoing conflicts with its neighbors.

[knownunknown]

The whole world came together, twice, to make an agreement that would be fair for both parties to live by which the Israelis agreed to and the Arabs didn’t. In 1948 and 1993. That’s why they’re disputed, because they don’t want Israel to exist at all. They want everything while Israel is happy with a portion.

There has never been a Palestinian state, Gaza was largely controlled by Egypt and the West Bank, Jordan. Even today they have two separate authorities that are at war with each other, the PLO who administer the West Bank have called on Hamas to lay down their weapons and release the hostages. They haven’t called on Israel to “stop genociding everyone” they have called on Hamas to surrender.

Abbas on Wednesday urged Hamas to free all captives, saying keeping them provided Israel with “excuses” to attack Gaza.

“Hamas has given the criminal occupation excuses to commit its crimes in the Gaza Strip, the most prominent being the holding of hostages,” Abbas said at a meeting in Ramallah, the PA’s seat in the Israeli-occupied West Bank.

“I’m the one paying the price, our people are paying the price, not Israel. My brother, just hand them over.”

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/4/2 ... a-hostages

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Every day there are deaths,” Abbas said. “You sons of dogs, hand over what you have and get us out of this” ordeal, he added, levelling a harsh Arabic epithet at Hamas.