Israel and Palestine

[Setanta]

Hamas have chosen war by not releasing the hostages. It is Hamas who is responsible for anymore wanton death because they are not in a position to negotiate and should release all the hostages.

When has a slaughter ever taken place in which the party was warned first?



Hamas can end this all by giving up their arms and releasing the hostages. The only people that can end this is Hamas.

Were it a family member of yours held for over 500 days, mentally tortured and starved maybe then you would understand.

Hamas have chosen war by not releasing the hostages.

This is simply not true,there has been a negociated framework for release....but Israel couldn't resist bombing children long enough to see it through

Hamas can end this all by giving up their arm

Israel has a long history of overseeing massacres of groups of people who give up their means for self defense....hamas are hardly about to submit to another sabra and shatlia?....left won't like this,but anyone, anywhere has a right to self defense

only people that can end this is Hamas

Hamas didn't launch missiles to slaughter hundreds of people last night.....time for Israel to accept responsibility for their actions and stop blaming everyone else

Were it a family member of yours held for over 500 days, mentally tortured and starved maybe then you would understand.

Gaza has been an open air prison of these conditions with generations.....I cannot think of any circumstances where Ill be ok with bombing women and children TBH....hiding behind hostage to justify genocide is all that's wrong with the Israeli public

[PureIsle]

Fewer civilians have died proportionally than any other war ever vs an enemy that openly espouses using their children for jihad.

Is that supposed to be an excuse?
The butchers are not as bad as previous butchers?
What a horrible attitude to have!

Hamas started the war in oct 7th and they still haven’t released all the hostages.

You know well it did not start on Oct 7th.
That you write such drivel in indicative of your support for those butchering maniacs.

Without the smart weapons being used by Israel, supplied by the U.S. there would be far more civilian casualties, but you know all this because it’s been said in the thread before but you ignore it because it doesn’t fit your narrative.

Hahahahaha ...... becaue the weapons are 'smart' means murdering civilians en-massse is OK?
That is as lunatic a reasoning as I have read anywhere.
Those weapons do what they are told - think about that!

Without those weapons those Israeli murderers would be long dead or departed.
They have now in the past day or so killed another 500 - again mostly women and children with their "smart" weapons, fired from a distance of course.

[knownunknown]

Is that supposed to be an excuse?
The butchers are not as bad as previous butchers?
What a horrible attitude to have!



You know well it did not start on Oct 7th.
That you write such drivel in indicative of your support for those butchering maniacs.



Hahahahaha ...... becaue the weapons are 'smart' means murdering civilians en-massse is OK?
That is as lunatic a reasoning as I have read anywhere.
Those weapons do what they are told - think about that!

Without those weapons those Israeli murderers would be long dead or departed.
They have now in the past day or so killed another 500 - again mostly women and children with their "smart" weapons, fired from a distance of course.

If you’re going to describe every war ever as butchers then the meaning of butchers gets diluted to mean literally nothing. The fact that you find this funny is odd. To achieve their goals of diminishing Hamas, the terrorist organization firing rockets from civilian areas, they can either use precise weapons or they could mortar the whole area for pennies on the pound. You continually ignore all this while laughing.

[Setanta]

If you’re going to describe every war ever as butchers then the meaning of butchers gets diluted to mean literally nothing. The fact that you find this funny is odd. To achieve their goals of diminishing Hamas, the terrorist organization firing rockets from civilian areas, they can either use precise weapons or they could mortar the whole area for pennies on the pound. You continually ignore all this while laughing.

To achieve their goals of diminishing Hamas, the terrorist organization firing rockets from civilian areas

How many rockets did hamas fire during the ceasefire to justify killing thousands of civilians?


Looks to.me,the most effective way of stopping rockets is a negociated settlement not genocide

[knownunknown]

How many rockets did hamas fire during the ceasefire to justify killing thousands of civilians?


Looks to.me,the most effective way of stopping rockets is a negociated settlement not genocide

Hamas are a terrorist organization that actively targets civilians and said they will do it again and again until Israel is gone. Since Oct. 7th they have fired another 19,000 or so rockets at Israel. They are still holding civilians as hostages. They are not in a position to negotiate, they should surrender and return the hostages.

Most Western countries have a stated policy of not negotiating with terrorists. This policy is typically invoked during hostage crises and is limited to paying ransom demands, not other forms of negotiation.

The ‘do not negotiate with terrorists’ position is underpinned by the argument that the best way of stopping hostage-taking by terrorists is to remove the incentive.

Of course sometimes these rules are broken, like when Israel negotiated the release of Gilad Shahlit in exchange for 1,027 prisoners held by Hamas, among the 1,027, Yahya Sinwar who would go onto to lead the Oct. 7th attacks.

Hamas have nearly lost their ability to further strike Israel, they refuse to surrender or release the hostages so continuing now to make sure they can never perform an atrocity like Oct. 7th again is a worthwhile pursuit.

[Setanta]

Hamas are a terrorist organization that actively targets civilians and said they will do it again and again until Israel is gone. Since Oct. 7th they have fired another 19,000 or so rockets at Israel. They are still holding civilians as hostages. They are not in a position to negotiate, they should surrender and return the hostages.



The ‘do not negotiate with terrorists’ position is underpinned by the argument that the best way of stopping hostage-taking by terrorists is to remove the incentive.

Of course sometimes these rules are broken, like when Israel negotiated the release of Gilad Shahlit in exchange for 1,027 prisoners held by Hamas, among the 1,027, Yahya Sinwar who would go onto to lead the Oct. 7th attacks.

Hamas have nearly lost their ability to further strike Israel, they refuse to surrender or release the hostages so continuing now to make sure they can never perform an atrocity like Oct. 7th again is a worthwhile pursuit.

To achieve their goals of diminishing Hamas, the terrorist organization firing rocket

Hamas have nearly lost their ability to further strike Israel

The left are ever the same,tripped up by their own hypocrisy to justify slaughtering civilians

make sure they can never perform an atrocity like Oct. 7th again is a worthwhile pursuit.

You catch more bees with honey than vinegar,there is nothing to stop another Oct 7th....a buildup of rockets to overrun the iron dome,drone attacks on watchtowers (actually what ever happened to the CCTV footage from Oct 7th?).and walls breached with ease again.....the template is there to do it all over again,would seem to me,if Israel chooses perpetual war,it's writing it's own future as a repeat of past



Still never did manage to come up with a figure of how many rockets hamas fired during this ceasefire to justify slaughtering thousands of civilians...how is that?

[knownunknown]

The left are ever the same,tripped up by their own hypocrisy to justify slaughtering civilians




You catch more bees with honey than vinegar,there is nothing to stop another Oct 7th....a buildup of rockets to overrun the iron dome,drone attacks on watchtowers (actually what ever happened to the CCTV footage from Oct 7th?).and walls breached with ease again.....the template is there to do it all over again,would seem to me,if Israel chooses perpetual war,it's writing it's own future as a repeat of past



Still never did manage to come up with a figure of how many rockets hamas fired during this ceasefire to justify slaughtering thousands of civilians...how is that?

There haven’t been thousands of civilians slaughtered. How many people do you think would die of natural causes since Oct.7th in Gaza of a population of 2.1million people, and where are they? How come the death statistics don’t make any note of them?

The Gaza health ministry, under Hamas, “has systematically inflated the death toll by failing to distinguish between civilian and combatant deaths, over-reporting fatalities among women and children and even including individuals who died before the conflict began,” the report said.

This has led to a narrative where the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) are portrayed as disproportionately targeting civilians, while the actual numbers suggest a significant proportion of the dead are combatants,” it said.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/uk-think- ... civilians/

[knownunknown]

Rte are just a hamas mouth piece also, the now debunked “mostly women and children” was repeated by them ad nauseum.

The reporting of these figures has been analysed by a group of international scholars, who meticulously analysed reports of Gaza war fatalities from February 2024 through May 2024. They examined 1,378 articles from major English-language newspapers and media outlets, specifically The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Guardian, CNN, the BBC, Reuters, The Associated Press and the Australian ABC.

Over that four-month period, 84% of those publications failed to make the critical distinction in total numbers between combatant deaths and civilian deaths.

Only 5% of the surveyed media organisations cited numbers released by the Israeli authorities, while 98% cited fatality figures provided by the Hamas-run Gaza Ministry of Health.

In 19% of media reports examined, numbers provided by Hamas-run institutions were used without citing any source, thereby suggesting those figures were undisputed.

Furthermore, fewer than one in every 50 articles mentioned that the figures provided by the MoH were unverifiable or controversial. Strikingly, the Israeli statistics had their credibility questioned in half of the few articles that incorporated them.

https://henryjacksonsociety.org/publica ... -counting/

[knownunknown]

Look how rte have pivoted from “mostly women and children” months ago to yesterdays headline.




https://www.rte.ie/news/post/104646700/

[Setanta]

There haven’t been thousands of civilians slaughtered. How many people do you think would die of natural causes since Oct.7th in Gaza of a population of 2.1million people, and where are they? How come the death statistics don’t make any note of them?



https://www.timesofisrael.com/uk-think- ... civilians/

There haven’t been thousands of civilians slaughtered

There has.... minimum of 60K....but Gaza had a population of 2.2million prior to this genocide,but requested aid be let in for 1.8 million.....they didn't magically disappear

How come the death statistics don’t make any note of them?

Is it true Israel targeted hospitals,doctors and morgues first in every area it moved into,to make recording of deaths impossible??....leaving upto 400K dead now

How many people do you think would die of natural causes

Every single person whom died of a treatable illness since Oct 7th lies at feet of Israel since it blew up all the hospitals, entirety of civil infrastructure around water and waste treatment and killed aid workers and doctors


Funny how all these questions asked and answered,and you can't come up with a number of rockets fired by hamas during the ceasefire to justify more thousands of civilians being slaughtered....how is that?....almost as if the figure is zero,but Israel just likes to slaughter civilians

[knownunknown]

Funny how all these questions asked and answered,and you can't come up with a number of rockets fired by hamas during the ceasefire to justify more thousands of civilians being slaughtered....how is that?....almost as if the figure is zero,but Israel just likes to slaughter civilians

They are still holding civilian hostages that they abducted on Oct.7th. Just because they are running out of rockets doesn’t mean they dont have murderous intent.

You said here before the peace negotiations that the ability for Hamas to run Gaza and fire weapons was non existent. Then we all saw the footage of Hamas parading the streets with their hostages holding up their weapons and having a nice festive, murderous time.

[knownunknown]

Hamas is gone lad, Israel has massacred the police force (and most doctors)of Gaza as well.....this is most likely starving people stealing food in a famine....most of us wouldn't exist here,if our own didn't have to resort to it during gorta mor



It seems a bizzare critism to make,someone starving stealing food in a famine....seems like a basic expectation of what would happen?

This was you, right? When I told you Hamas was stealing the aid meant to benefit the civilians of Gaza you told me they don’t exist.

[Setanta]

They are still holding civilian hostages that they abducted on Oct.7th. Just because they are running out of rockets doesn’t mean they dont have murderous intent.

You said here before the peace negotiations that the ability for Hamas to run Gaza and fire weapons was non existent. Then we all saw the footage of Hamas parading the streets with their hostages holding up their weapons and having a nice festive, murderous time.

They are still holding civilian hostages that they abducted on Oct.7th.

Is it true they have a negociated framework,but Israel couldn't hold off killing civilians to see it through to next phase?

said here before the peace negotiations that the ability for Hamas to run Gaza and fire weapons was non existent

Because it is, Israel said it killed 75% of hamas activists after 2 weeks....they have homemade weapons and pea shooters, against an army that herds refugees into tents to bomb them

Hamas parading the streets with their hostages holding up their weapons and having a nice festive, murderous time.

Who was murdered in these videos?

[Setanta]

This was you, right? When I told you Hamas was stealing the aid meant to benefit the civilians of Gaza you told me they don’t exist.

When I told you Hamas was stealing the aid meant to benefit the civilians of Gaza

Come to think of it,you still haven't managed to come up independently verified proof of this....or how many rockets were fired by hamas during the ceasefire to justify slaughtering thousands of civilians...or where the missing 400K inhabitants of Gaza are....how is that?

[knownunknown]

Who was murdered in these videos?

They were parading dead civilians in coffins throughout the streets that died under their care to the sound of festive music while displaying their weapons with pride. You said they “were gone”

[Setanta]

They were parading dead civilians in coffins throughout the streets that died under their care to the sound of festive music while displaying their weapons with pride. You said they “were gone”

They were parading dead civilians in coffins throughout the streets that died under their care

And who launched the airstrikes to kill these civilians??....time for Israel to accept responsibility for its actions in stead of musing everyone else is "murderous"

You said they “were gone”

Because to all intents and purposes as a military organisation,they are.... Israel are just entering for another turkey shoot of women and children....all off an still undisclosed amount of rockets fired by hamas during the ceasefire,how is that?

[knownunknown]

Because to all intents and purposes as a military organisation,they are.... Israel are just entering for another turkey shoot of women and children....all off an still undisclosed amount of rockets fired by hamas during the ceasefire,how is that?

They’re still stealing the aid meant for civilians, they’re still holding hostages and they still say they will attack Israel at every opportunity.

Look for yourself.

[Setanta]

They’re still stealing the aid meant for civilians, they’re still holding hostages and they still say they will attack Israel at every opportunity.

Look for yourself.

They’re still stealing the aid meant for civilians

This has been independently verified by whom.... because there isn't any aid entering,most likely to engineer another famine there to kill civilians

they’re still holding hostages

Is it true,they had a negociated Framework for release,but Isreal couldn't hold off slaughtering civilians long enough to see it through?

they still say they will attack Israel at every opportunity

Is it true,they didn't attack during a ceasefire (during which Israel targeted 100s for slaughter?),would this therefore not lead credence to further longer permenant ceasefires?

[knownunknown]

Eli Sharaby recounts his tale as a hostage for 491 days under Hamas captivity. 59 hostages remain in captivity.

Where was the United Nations? Where was the Red Cross? Where was the world?” Sharabi asked.

Sharabi said the council talked about the need to get humanitarian aid to Palestinians in Gaza, but he saw Hamas militants eating stolen food from dozens of boxes marked with U.N. emblems while the hostages starved. They were given maybe a piece of pita and a sip of tea a day, and an occasional dry date, he said.

Hamas live like kings, while hostages and civilians starve.

When he was released on Feb. 8, Sharabi said he weighed 44 kilos (about 97 pounds) — less than the weight of his youngest daughter, who was killed along with his wife and older daughter in Hamas’ surprise attack in southern Israel on Oct. 7, 2023, along with about 1,200 others. He was among 251 people taken hostage. He didn’t find out his family were massacred until he was released

[PureIsle]

https://thecradle.co/articles/oscar-win ... ank-pogrom

Palestinian filmmaker Hamdan Ballal, co-director of the Academy Award-winning documentary film ‘No Other Land,' was beaten and injured by Israeli settlers in the occupied West Bank on 24 March before being arrested by Israeli security forces.

“A group of settlers just lynched Hamdan Ballal … They beat him, and he has injuries in his head and stomach, bleeding. Soldiers invaded the ambulance he called and took him. No sign of him since,” Israeli journalist Yuval Abraham announced via social media.

[knownunknown]

https://thecradle.co/articles/oscar-win ... ank-pogrom

Hamdan Ballal Or Basal Adra? Sounds like a Jussie Smollett type. He describes himself as an activist.

https://www.972mag.com/israel-news-basil-al-adraa/

[knownunknown]

Gaza Streets Fill With "Hamas Out" Slogans As War Frustrates Palestinians Videos and photos shared on social media late on Tuesday showed hundreds of protestors, mostly male, chanted "out, out, out, Hamas out" and "Hamas terrorists".

These Gazans need the support of Israel and the US to achieve their goals.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/25/midd ... index.html

[PureIsle]

[knownunknown]

Not a word on rte about how gazans are protesting against the terrorist organisation that rules over them with an iron fist. Nothing. They reported extensively on the “we march with Palestine” protests here in Ireland just a few days ago but when it turns out gazans want Hamas out not a peep.

https://www.rte.ie/video/id/23926/

[knownunknown]

Al Jazeera are framing it as “gazans protest against the war” when it is clear the gazans are protesting against Hamas. It’s times like these you need to sit up and pay attention to the media and what they want you to believe and realize it differs from the truth because they are pushing a narrative.

Hundreds of Palestinians have gathered in northern Gaza to demand an end to Israel’s escalating onslaught

https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsf ... st-the-war