Omagh bomb

[Setanta]

Inquiry opens today,

hopefully the truth about why the ruc couldn't find the bomb and herded people towards it can be explained


The bomb-to-end-all-bombs theory is widely accepted as credible and hopefully some light will be shone upon it

[marhay70]

Inquiry opens today,

hopefully the truth about why the ruc couldn't find the bomb and herded people towards it can be explained


The bomb-to-end-all-bombs theory is widely accepted as credible and hopefully some light will be shone upon it

If there had been no bomb then your question would be moot.

[Setanta]

If there had been no bomb then your question would be moot.

If me auntie had balls,she would be my uncle..... because that car was glaringly obvious in pics

The call to Samaritans to warn was about for years,never released publically before being deleted,given Britain's history in Ireland,it's entirely reasonable that people suspect senior security service members would misinform the officers on ground,and herd civilian towards a bomb to maximise casualties,to kill off,what was a dissident campaign gathering momentum


Because it deosnt add up otherwise, particularly given how close things were at Banbridge previous to it

[Setanta]

The SAS had been in Omagh over that summer to launch an ambush on a motorbike attack,been under observation with while beforehand,as well,but failed to come to fruition

Omagh being only area to elect a dissident republican (fro purpose anti GFA)to a town council

A Saturday at height of summer,knowing an attack imminent, soldiers mysteriously confined to barracks for time in months



Whole thing stinks,and deosnt seem as clear-cut to me,when I looked into it,and people said to me information on it

[marhay70]

The SAS had been in Omagh over that summer to launch an ambush on a motorbike attack,been under observation with while beforehand,as well,but failed to come to fruition

Omagh being only area to elect a dissident republican (fro purpose anti GFA)to a town council

A Saturday at height of summer,knowing an attack imminent, soldiers mysteriously confined to barracks for time in months



Whole thing stinks,and deosnt seem as clear-cut to me,when I looked into it,and people said to me information on it

From memory, warnings were communicated to the Samaritans and to the BBC, I think, that the bomb was in, or in the vicinity of, Omagh Courthouse. You're not suggesting that these organisations, and their individual members, lied to facilitate the security forces to cover up wanton murder of innocent people?
No, the blame lies squarely with those who planned and carried out the bomb attack, no bomb, no casualties. The "war" was over, people wete led to believe and they were happy to go about their normal Saturday shopping, except that a few twisted scumbags decided that nobody was going to tell them what to do.

[Setanta]

From memory, warnings were communicated to the Samaritans and to the BBC, I think, that the bomb was in, or in the vicinity of, Omagh Courthouse. You're not suggesting that these organisations, and their individual members, lied to facilitate the security forces to cover up wanton murder of innocent people?
No, the blame lies squarely with those who planned and carried out the bomb attack, no bomb, no casualties. The "war" was over, people wete led to believe and they were happy to go about their normal Saturday shopping, except that a few twisted scumbags decided that nobody was going to tell them what to do.

If the warning given was accurate,and given debacle and in-house recrimations from.banbridge bombing is possible,and senior security force,directed officers on ground to move people towards it,who is then responsible


Because people were initially moved away from the bomb,with only in last few mins before blowing up, being herded towards it.....the very minimum that should come out from this inquiry should be what happened to cause such a "mistake" to occur within ruc and whom is ultimately responsible for herding people towards it..... because a coverup of this, would give huge credence to the bomb-to-end-all-bombs theory.....it's taken a generation,time to let those families know

[marhay70]

If the warning given was accurate,and given debacle and in-house recrimations from.banbridge bombing is possible,and senior security force,directed officers on ground to move people towards it,who is then responsible


Because people were initially moved away from the bomb,with only in last few mins before blowing up, being herded towards it.....the very minimum that should come out from this inquiry should be what happened to cause such a "mistake" to occur within ruc and whom is ultimately responsible for herding people towards it..... because a coverup of this, would give huge credence to the bomb-to-end-all-bombs theory.....it's taken a generation,time to let those families know

Look, you can have all the conspiracy theories you like, the fact remains, no bomb, no dead people, no shattered families, no destroyed town. I get it, from your previous posts that I have engaged with that you have a thing about the RUC/PSNI, I'm sure you have your reasons for that, but on rereading an account of the event, it would appear that the Police directed people away from the Courthouse where the bomb was believed to be . It was believed to be there because that's where the IRA caller said it was in a coded message. The confusion was because the message said "Main St" which doesn't exist, whose mistake that was, isn't clear. I can only imagine the panic and confusion that would have been in the crowd and indeed in the Police, having myself had a near miss with a bomb, but this is an attempted whitewashing of the perpetrators and scapegoating of those who were, after all, in the middle of the whole thing.
If the object of the exercise, according to the IRA, was to attack the RUC, then why place a bomb on what was sure to be a busy shopping day, in the middle of one of the busiest towns in the county. It was an attack on the community of Omagh and it succeeded very well.

[Setanta]

Look, you can have all the conspiracy theories you like, the fact remains, no bomb, no dead people, no shattered families, no destroyed town. I get it, from your previous posts that I have engaged with that you have a thing about the RUC/PSNI, I'm sure you have your reasons for that, but on rereading an account of the event, it would appear that the Police directed people away from the Courthouse where the bomb was believed to be . It was believed to be there because that's where the IRA caller said it was in a coded message. The confusion was because the message said "Main St" which doesn't exist, whose mistake that was, isn't clear. I can only imagine the panic and confusion that would have been in the crowd and indeed in the Police, having myself had a near miss with a bomb, but this is an attempted whitewashing of the perpetrators and scapegoating of those who were, after all, in the middle of the whole thing.
If the object of the exercise, according to the IRA, was to attack the RUC, then why place a bomb on what was sure to be a busy shopping day, in the middle of one of the busiest towns in the county. It was an attack on the community of Omagh and it succeeded very well.

Collusion was regarded for decades as a conspiracy theory,and noone doubts it's veracity nowadays


People were initially herded away from the bomb,until minute's before it,when the decision was made to change and move people towards it.....to my eyes,someone made that decision and has never publically accounted for it,it's not as if the ruc hadn't any experience of this situations,whom gave the order to change tac, because this unacknowledged and covered up,makes this conspiracy theory from nonsense to possible

[Return of the Mac]

I don't know how this enquiry will go. But my gut tells me that the revelations will be explosive

[dawg]

I don't know how this enquiry will go. But my gut tells me that the revelations will be explosive

Um, well, yes.

That is 'yes' if you have been hibernating for the last 25 years and have just about managing to wake up now.

At a guess, the explosive revelations will be about people deceased or else even more gaga than myself.

Its to go on and on so should be a nice little earner for a lot of 2nd rate legal types

[Setanta]

It's moved to next stage today,with the victims names being read into the record


Pity so many involved in the bombers side have passed, hopefully the truth will come out

[Setanta]

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/pol ... 31440.html


I used get all sorts of abuse on planks,shouted down and banned for pointing out police herded people from safety, towards that bomb in Omagh

The police commander in Omagh on the day the town was bombed has said many of his officers felt “guilty and responsible” that they had evacuated members of the public towards the explosive device.

If only they could now account for why the army was confined to barracks on a Saturday during summer,knowing it would be busy

[knownunknown]

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/pol ... 31440.html


I used get all sorts of abuse on planks,shouted down and banned for pointing out police herded people from safety, towards that bomb in Omagh





If only they could now account for why the army was confined to barracks on a Saturday during summer,knowing it would be busy

Why would you keep pointing that out? They thought the bomb was somewhere else and herded them towards what they thought was safety.

Can you imagine the distress of those officers having to live through that everyday. What the hell are you implying?

[Setanta]

Why would you keep pointing that out? They thought the bomb was somewhere else and herded them towards what they thought was safety.

Can you imagine the distress of those officers having to live through that everyday. What the hell are you implying?

Because facts > feelings, particularly in situations where people get killed.....the RUC herded them folk away from bomb after receiving a warning,but then the order come on high the bomb was elsewhere

But the Samaritans a warning ,and the recording of this was available for years,but never released publically.....whole thing stinks to me..... particularly when highly similar situation developed in Banbridge few weeks beforehand....orders received on high overriding on ground officers narrowly avoiding disaster


Noone has ever been held accountable for this mess,concerns about officers distress isn't going to water down this fact

Cross-examined by defence lawyer Dermot Fee QC, McCracken confirmed he had not been told about one of the three bomb warnings which said the device had been left at Main Street, 200 yards from Omagh courthouse

After the first warnings were telephoned to UTVand the Samaritans, the RUC police in Omagh
wrongly moved people towards the bomb, believing that the courthouse at the other end of the town
was the target. A subsequent Police Ombudsman’s report was critical of the RUC investigation into
the bombing.
The report concluded that the RUC ignored warnings from agents, such as Kevin Fulton, that a
dissident attack was imminent

[knownunknown]

Because facts > feelings, particularly in situations where people get killed.....the RUC herded them folk away from bomb after receiving a warning,but then the order come on high the bomb was elsewhere

The article you supplied doesn’t say anything like that. It suggests the terrorists who planted the bomb with malicious intent were the ones who gave the incorrect warning.

The warning incorrectly stated the bomb was close to the courthouse and many people were evacuated in the direction of Market Street.

[Setanta]

The article you supplied doesn’t say anything like that. It suggests the terrorists who planted the bomb with malicious intent were the ones who gave the incorrect warning.

They gave three warnings....one of which pin pointed the location.... promptly leading people being herded to the bomb


This alongside soldiers being confined to barracks at height of summer needs answering to my eyes anyway

the husband of one of the victims of the bombing interrupted a RUC/Garda press conference appealing for more information and said that a “conspiracy” was underway to prevent the conviction of the bombers. Lawrence Rush said to the meeting, “My dear sir, this is a conspiracy. This will come out like the Derry Thirteen [a reference to the Bloody Sunday massacre by the British army in 1972]. This is a conspiracy by the British government and by everyone involved in the administration. This is an example of administrative terrorism

Pressure is growing today for a public inquiry into the Omagh bombing after it was claimed British intelligence chiefs recorded the bombers mobile phone calls on the day of the attack.

There's alot left unsaid about how the only town to elect a dissident post GFA (sas attempted an ambush there post GFA aswell)was bombed,with police knowing it was to happen and herding people towards the bomb after apparent confusion regarding bomb warnings,but recordings of them never publically released......the truth should hopefully come out..... because the narrative built up around it by media and establishment,has very shakey foundations,given corroborating circumstances,from what I see anyway

[knownunknown]

They gave three warnings....one of which pin pointed the location.... promptly leading people being herded to the bomb


This alongside soldiers being confined to barracks at height of summer needs answering to my eyes anyway





There's alot left unsaid about how the only town to elect a dissident post GFA (sas attempted an ambush there post GFA aswell)was bombed,with police knowing it was to happen and herding people towards the bomb after apparent confusion regarding bomb warnings,but recordings of them never publically released......the truth should hopefully come out..... because the narrative built up around it by media and establishment,has very shakey foundations,given corroborating circumstances,from what I see anyway

Correct me if I’m wrong, but what you’re saying is the ira planted the bomb, the Garda and RUC knew where the real bomb was and herded people towards that instead. A big conspiracy between all parties to achieve what exactly?

[Setanta]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but what you’re saying is the ira planted the bomb, the Garda and RUC knew where the real bomb was and herded people towards that instead. A big conspiracy between all parties to achieve what exactly?

That's not what I've said,I've outlined events,as known to happen,.....only that the narrative that's built up around this,is very shaky and relies on emotion (RUC officers claiming distress/PTSD) rather than facts to underpin it


Someone (unlikely on ground officer) gave the order to move people towards that bomb,someone is responsible for making that decision and has never publicly accounted for reasoning,or accepted responsibility for this.....the corrobating circumstances give rise to as many questions and open the door for conspiracies (which increasingly seem credible),which only truthful disclosure can silence/dispel....

Because the truism pushed here deosnt add to me anyway,when facts are applied to it

[knownunknown]

That's not what I've said,I've outlined events,as known to happen,.....only that the narrative that's built up around this,is very shaky and relies on emotion (RUC officers claiming distress/PTSD) rather than facts to underpin it


Someone (unlikely on ground officer) gave the order to move people towards that bomb,someone is responsible for making that decision and has never publicly accounted for reasoning,or accepted responsibility for this.....the corrobating circumstances give rise to as many questions and open the door for conspiracies (which increasingly seem credible),which only truthful disclosure can silence/dispel....

Because the truism pushed here deosnt add to me anyway,when facts are applied to it

Is it not possible the terrorists that placed the bomb, putting citizens in harms way were the ones who gave the wrong information? Or perhaps they just made a mistake.

If you had to herd people to somewhere you thought was safe and it turned out you moved them to their deaths the chances of you having PTSD are pretty high.

[Setanta]

Is it not possible the terrorists that placed the bomb, putting citizens in harms way were the ones who gave the wrong information? Or perhaps they just made a mistake.

If you had to herd people to somewhere you thought was safe and it turned out you moved them to their deaths the chances of you having PTSD are pretty high.

Indeed it is possible,and a release of the recorded phone call warnings would shed light on the issue....which hopefully this inquiry could get to bottom of

[Setanta]

Old habits die hard for imperialists....it's a pattern to these type issues....a bomb to end all bombs

https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/ ... llen-bomb/

[knownunknown]

Opening line “ The British and Irish governments "scrubbed" files relating to the Enniskillen Bomb and concealed claims that the state knew about the IRA attack and allowed it to happen, it has been claimed”

Claimed by Martin Dillon, who wrote this book: The Sorrow and the Loss: The Tragic Shadow Cast by the Troubles on the Lives of Women

[knownunknown]

I mean how could the terrorists that planted a bomb in the way of civilians be responsible, the bomb was surely intercepted early, had its timer tampered with and set off early, by the government who wanted the IRA to look bad. My head hurts.

[Setanta]

I mean how could the terrorists that planted a bomb in the way of civilians be responsible, the bomb was surely intercepted early, had its timer tampered with and set off early, by the government who wanted the IRA to look bad. My head hurts.

I mean Enniskillen likely sprung out of failure of loughgall to curtail militant activities......it's a fairly bold claim,of which families of Enniskillen victims are rightly calling for an inquiry into it