Are the wheels about to come off the wagon

[Return of the Mac]

Read post above.....they've run this country into the ground,I grown up seeing the left and establishment here targeting single mothers for abuse and demonisations


They target the weakest in society for abuse and threats,they've always been the same with decades, dating back to mother and baby homes.....they dispise the ordinary people in the country


Actually are they still planning to do zero to improve the lot of those labeled 'essential workers' ....they have engineered an ethnic minority with the worst outcomes of any group in western Europe,

They keep an emergency court for a war,over with 30 years, because they refuse to improve the criminal court system here and use the establishment to bluster and abuse anyone who speaks out on it..... actually do ex-taoiseaxh of here still keep their name on petition critising iran for the same?



Edit,do they still round up migrants,take their tents and dump them in the mountains....or is that just a Paddy's day special treat for our super duper, definitely not evil, ruling class?

You of course release that the Left have never held power in this country in there own right. So what you describe above have been created by Governments that were lead by either Centrist or Centre Right Parties.

[Berties_Horse]

I'm not part of the group you think I am. Probably best to leave it there

Pull the other one, your posting style & phraseology is stonewall. You have zero shame, another pitiful Walter Mitty.

[Setanta]

You of course release that the Left have never held power in this country in there own right. So what you describe above have been created by Governments that were lead by either Centrist or Centre Right Parties.

Nah mate,I'm centrist,they are left out and out and have engineered a social collapse in this state,no point in washing your hands of em now, particularly when earlier you were happy to imply slurs and abuse of me,to run to their defense



These people have lined their pockets at the expense of ordinary people and dispise those who don't tow or bend the knee to their agenda,the silent majority can no longer be compelled to ride on back of the bus,while they stifle discussion,rob the state to line their pockets and run out country into the ground,while refusing to build a local economy,keeping state subservient to mega corporation's.....today the first time in decades,state hasn't immediately rolled over to mega corporations and the left are out in crisis thinking of ways to impose Google data centres onto the public,so as ordinary people are forced to pay higher electricity,, encouraged to use dish washers at "off peak" since there isnt power to go about,so mega corporation's must come first

[Return of the Mac]

Nah mate,I'm centrist,they are left out and out and have engineered a social collapse in this state,no point in washing your hands of em now, particularly when earlier you were happy to imply slurs and abuse of me,to run to their defense



These people have lined their pockets at the expense of ordinary people and dispise those who don't tow or bend the knee to their agenda,the silent majority can no longer be compelled to ride on back of the bus,while they stifle discussion,rob the state to line their pockets and run out country into the ground,while refusing to build a local economy,keeping state subservient to mega corporation's.....today the first time in decades,state hasn't immediately rolled over to mega corporations and the left are out in crisis thinking of ways to impose Google data centres onto the public,so as ordinary people are forced to pay higher electricity,, encouraged to use dish washers at "off peak" since there isnt power to go about,so mega corporation's must come first

Okey dokey. I wish you and your fellow travellers in the likes the of The National Party well as you rise up the "silent majority" and hurtle toward an election landside:)

[75987653]

Setanta, you're still doing that thing of mixing up leftwing and rightwing, and you've been doing it so long now that I do not believe you're unaware.

I haven't suggested that our government isn't flawed - I'm just commenting on how nonsensical it is to say that the Irish government are "the worst, most corrupt rulers in the world". Eritrea would like a word. And the rest.
https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2023

[Berties_Horse]

Setanta, you're still doing that thing of mixing up leftwing and rightwing, and you've been doing it so long now that I do not believe you're unaware.

I haven't suggested that our government isn't flawed - I'm just commenting on how nonsensical it is to say that the Irish government are "the worst, most corrupt rulers in the world". Eritrea would like a word. And the rest.
https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2023

You're content to marinate yourself in your own ignorance, throwing about labels like confetti. The sheer condescension of debasing a poster: "you're still doing that thing of mixing up leftwing and rightwing". All the nuance of a sledgehammer to the temple, you're utterly clueless.

[75987653]

You're content to marinate yourself in your own ignorance, throwing about labels like confetti. The sheer condescension of debasing a poster: "you're still doing that thing of mixing up leftwing and rightwing". All the nuance of a sledgehammer to the temple, you're utterly clueless.

What are you on about? What labels like confetti? You're happy to throw insults at me of course. Literally zero reason to call me clueless but I said something you disagreed with so apparently that's enough.
The guy has been constantly referring to things that are conservative as PC - if he's genuine, well then he's the clueless one. He says that people who support Israel are PC and woke - when we all know it's the exact opposite.

And it's just insulting to people who have to live under tyrannies around the globe to say that Ireland has the worst, most corrupt politicians in the world. Finding the obvious nonsense in what he says is a really bizarre reason for you to go off on a personal tirade.

[Arthur Cocks]

I think everyone around here needs to chill out. Lot of anger out there.

[Arthur Cocks]

Bertie, you really should learn to craft simple sentences. You have an extremely overwrought and constipated way of putting together sentences and paragraphs. It’s all mixed metaphors and non sequiturs (that’s Latin btw). I don’t know if you fancy yourself as some sort of undiscovered literary genius, but, and I won’t beat around the bush here, you are more Bill Cullen than Bill Bryson.

Are you still hate-scrolling through Boards? You should sign up again. Some lads have loads of accounts and never get caught.

[knownunknown]

Some lads have loads of accounts and never get caught.

It’s quite obvious those lads have loads of free time on their hands, probably unemployed incels whose only joy in life is to troll others on online forums. Either that or NGO workers with more free time than sense. They are not angry but quite pathetic.

[knownunknown]

The left -right doesn’t apply to politics anymore it’s empty, vacuous. What we are left with is woke and non woke. Most parties in Ireland anywhere close to power have aligned themselves with woke values and this is what is destroying the country.

Look at all the hot button issues, gender, immigration, race etc… all borne out of an ideology coming from an American college decades ago that we used to collectively laugh at.

At least in other western countries there is a genuine political force that opposes this garbage, but not in Ireland.

[Arthur Cocks]

The left -right doesn’t apply to politics anymore it’s empty, vacuous. What we are left with is woke and non woke. Most parties in Ireland anywhere close to power have aligned themselves with woke values and this is what is destroying the country.

Look at all the hot button issues, gender, immigration, race etc… all borne out of an ideology coming from an American college decades ago that we used to collectively laugh at.

At least in other western countries there is a genuine political force that opposes this garbage, but not in Ireland.

Have you got some sort of tic that manifests itself as compulsively going on about woke? Stop living your life almost exclusively on the internet, go outside and do something more productive with your life. Going on like that can’t be good for you.

[knownunknown]

Have you got some sort of tic that manifests itself as compulsively going on about woke? Stop living your life almost exclusively on the internet, go outside and do something more productive with your life. Going on like that can’t be good for you.

Go back twenty years and no one was talking about this woke bollocks, because it didn't exist. The ones offended by the term so much are the ones pushing this bolloxology- such as yourself. They would prefer no one was talking about the sweeping cultural changes to our country such as with immigration, completely open borders, gender by decree, white privilege, intersectionality, transgender bathrooms and prison spaces, because when people know what they're doing they get opposed.

The tactic of just attacking the speaker has become old and stale, similar to the trolls around these parts.

Good trolls serve a genuine purpose, get people thinking. This angry type of trolling is just boring and repetitive.

[knownunknown]

As a non Irish looking Irish man I feel genuine fear for the first time in this country when walking the streets because of what I look like and I’ve seen it coming for years. It’s caused by the woke gowls who think they’re doing good when in fact all they’re doing is causing division.

Few countries have ever experienced this level of immigration and it never ends well for social cohesion. This need by the media (noticed here* too by a BBC journalist)to control the narrative is causing further hate which will be taken out eventually on a person that looks foreign such as I.

* “The media seems to be keen that a racist narrative does not develop around what happened.”

[Setanta]

Okey dokey. I wish you and your fellow travellers in the likes the of The National Party well as you rise up the "silent majority" and hurtle toward an election landside:)

Nah mate....not in,nor associated with the national party....but whatever leftists needs to dismiss any criticism of the mess they've made of the country in persuit of enrichment of 1% and mega corporation's

[Setanta]

Setanta, you're still doing that thing of mixing up leftwing and rightwing, and you've been doing it so long now that I do not believe you're unaware.

I haven't suggested that our government isn't flawed - I'm just commenting on how nonsensical it is to say that the Irish government are "the worst, most corrupt rulers in the world". Eritrea would like a word. And the rest.
https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2023

Haven't mixed up left or right wing,they are in themselves indistinguishable,but one is backed by the lame stream media


The government literally run the country to enrich themselves,the 1% and mega corporation's.....they are amongst the worst,most corrupt governments in the world,they cannot hide,that we have a massive infrastructure in solar and wind farms,which have been built near entirely to service outside mega corporation's data centres and ruined communities,families and tourism jobs in large tracts of the country....but the mega corporation's get their way,so we must all cheer and silence any/all critism



Our country and society is riddled with domestic and substance abuse,they have deliberately followed and presued policies to hold back the ordinary person,and to enrich the 1% ever since day one of the state and lied to people over and over.....anyone who looks on at our NGOs,their carryon and same people appearing in em all the time(including the newly prominent Simon Harris bro charity) and conclude our establishment isn't among the most corrupt in the world is pure silly,they've legalised theft and corruption, while using media to try get the silent majority to ignore what they see with their own eyes

[Setanta]

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/fea ... 66419.html


Several hundred more jobs lost in the run in to winter,the chickens coming home to roost from decades of refusal to develop a domestic economy in midlands,even going as far to close bord na mona,with no immediate alternative...while leaving hundreds employed by outsiders who can (and always do) pull the plug,throwing ordinary people to the scrap heap as per usual


I must say,I'm unconvinced the left have the answers for this mess they are after walking into,only ruin ordinary people's lives and shout "national party" to silence any criticism of this debacle....a useless shower who once they've lined their pockets, nothing else matters

[Setanta]

Have you got some sort of tic that manifests itself as compulsively going on about woke? Stop living your life almost exclusively on the internet, go outside and do something more productive with your life. Going on like that can’t be good for you.

Nothing quite like silencing anyone who deosnt tow the PC agenda and telling em to shut up..... particularly from someone who follows randomers around to variety of online forums to goad (at stage do it become bully?) them

[Berties_Horse]

Nothing quite like silencing anyone who deosnt tow the PC agenda and telling em to shut up..... particularly from someone who follows randomers around to variety of online forums to goad (at stage do it become bully?) them

A zero sum game for our resident bluffer, terminally incoherent. Casting aspersions without credibility. Resentful of posters on this forum engaging in honest debate, the personality defects are overt as they are infantile. The curtain was lifted eons ago, only confession on their part was admitting multiple accounts and without any trace of shame. A tragic state of affairs "dude".

[Guburnor]

Can everybody remember please not to be a dick?

People whinge and moan that it's hard to attract new posters to a discussion site, but rarely pause to wonder why.

[75987653]

Setanta, I didn't say this government isn't *among* the most corrupt in the world. You said they are THE worst, most corrupt in the world, and I said that that assertion is incorrect, and totally ludicrous. I'm not saying there aren't things wrong here - there are - but it's still nowhere near whatsoever the level of corruption in many other countries. You have no grounds to complain when lack of perspective, and dishonesty, won't go unchallenged.

Political correctness: "Careful choice of words in spoken and written communications and actions, intended to avoid giving offense to ethnic, racial, cultural, or sexually oriented groups, disabled persons, and other designated groups that may be stigmatised."
No idea how this comes into what you're talking about regarding the government.

[kadman]

All depends on what yardstick is used to measure of corruption and performance we are measuring. With the recent riots, arson, assaults in society in Ireland, those people need to be brought to account for their actions and made pay the penalty for their crimes. And that appears to be happening to some degree.

Equally so when politicians abuse their positions and when they benefit on a personal level for their misdeeds, they also need to be brought to account. But that seldom happens. If they effect policies and take actions that totally abuse the electorate, then they need to have the full rigours of the justice system brought to bear against them. But that never happens.
Are they as physically abusive to their electorate as some other countries, probably not. Do they profit from their position as much as other countries, i somehow suspect they do at times. Are they accountable for their actions or inactions here, definitely not. Case in point.....haughey, Bertie, for starters of a very long list.

[knownunknown]

In my youth I always thought freedom of speech was a value revered by the left. Has this flipped or was I just wrong back then?

Today it is certainly enemy number one of the woke brigade. If you can suppress speech you can suppress thought and if you can compel speech you can compel thought. P.C. Courses don’t teach people to think, they teach people to parrot back exactly what is said to them.

They attack free speech as a concept by calling it childish names, attacking defenders of the concept as bad people who just want to be free to insult others and then by gaslighting by saying it doesn’t and has never existed.

It is a human right, the most fundamental of human rights upon which all other rights are built because every other right is built upon the ability to speak.

There is no ambiguity here; the below articles are clear as day. We have decided these rights no longer mean anything, and this is a very bad thing indeed. Just imagine the worst person you can think of, trump for most of you, being in control of who can speak and what they are allowed to say.

EU Charter of Fundamental Rights - article 11 This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers.

Universal Declaration of Human Rights Article 19 - Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

[Setanta]

Setanta, I didn't say this government isn't *among* the most corrupt in the world. You said they are THE worst, most corrupt in the world, and I said that that assertion is incorrect, and totally ludicrous. I'm not saying there aren't things wrong here - there are - but it's still nowhere near whatsoever the level of corruption in many other countries. You have no grounds to complain when lack of perspective, and dishonesty, won't go unchallenged.

Political correctness: "Careful choice of words in spoken and written communications and actions, intended to avoid giving offense to ethnic, racial, cultural, or sexually oriented groups, disabled persons, and other designated groups that may be stigmatised."
No idea how this comes into what you're talking about regarding the government.

They literally run the country to enrich themselves,the 1% and mega corporation's


Most the present cabinet are resigning en-mass before the next election,care to take a bet,what sector the most of em will work for in the future?,afaik coveney to be working for google is an open secret



The establishment dispise the healy-raes.....but the country is full of business men like them,who gets rich off privatisation and tax-payers.....over whelming majority of whom donate and prop.up.establishment parties here....they robbed this country under the guise of legalised theft in privatisation



They have thousands of refugees left in....they have set the country up,to ensure ordinary people can't prosper here,what hope have these refugees to make a life for emselves??...sharing in modern era tenaments is their future,either that or run the risk of cholera breaking out in tents in dublin while lame stream media covers it up...there's a reason most the polish and eastern europeans have left even before COVID and inflation struck here


The way they treat people,and this is fundamentally what refugees are- people,is wrong (evil imo)they are enriching themselves and establishment businesses through direct provision rather than helping anyone atal here

There's no amount of perception of corruption quizzes going to paper over they've destroyed society here and legalised corruption/wrong doing in office for personal enrichment

[Setanta]

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/new ... 67460.html


18,500 + per bicycle to shed them.......nice little earner fleecing taxpayer there,and definitely not someone corruptly enriching themselves off public money


This saves the world from global warming,or our environment from a worsening ecological collapse,how?