Brexit is Brilliant (or is it?)

[Del.Monte]

Why?

The Tommy Robinsons of the UK can get off their backsides and pay for it themselves if it's that important to them.

It's important to anybody rational who understands that Europe and especially Britain and Ireland cannot take unending numbers of refugees. I don't give a flying feck about Tommy Robinson but trying to brand anybody who objects to uncontrolled immigration as a racist really gets my goat. Anyway, I'm off to bed, enjoy the view from the moral high ground.

[6456739]

It's important to anybody rational who understands that Europe and especially Britain and Ireland cannot take unending numbers of refugees. I don't give a flying feck about Tommy Robinson but trying to brand anybody who objects to uncontrolled immigration as a racist really gets my goat. Anyway, I'm off to bed, enjoy the view from the moral high ground.

It's important to anybody rational that facts are used for debate instead of drivel like this. Anyway, if you're going to start telling lies, let's maybe leave it there.

[knownunknown]

trying to brand anybody who objects to uncontrolled immigration as a racist really gets my goat.

Me too. It became a tactic in political discourse a number of years ago because of it’s effectiveness but people are finally waking up and seeing through the bullshit. A typical boy who cries wolf type of thing.

[Hairy-Joe]

Me too. It became a tactic in political discourse a number of years ago because of it’s effectiveness but people are finally waking up and seeing through the bullshit. A typical boy who cries wolf type of thing.

Yep, typical tactic of fascists is to use emotive label such as that with anyone who objects to their world order.

Not that I'm calling anyone a fascist. That would be a label and self fulfilling......

[Hairy-Joe]

I was talking to a supplier of specialist agri vehicles (think €100k plus). They had the agency for one European brand. Since Brexit, they had no stock. I asked why and they said that there was one UK based company with the rights over UK and Ireland. The Irish supplier went direct to the European manufacturer. The UK company wouldn't allow Ireland to deal directly with the manufacturer. Result, zero sales now in Ireland as theres double duties to be paid that's to Brexit. The Irish supplier went to a different brand.....

[CelticRambler]

Whodathunkit?

British farmers face paying for border checkpoints in EU after Brexit halts exports

Breeders in Britain are unable to export their pedigree cattle, sheep and pigs to the EU because no one has built any border control posts where vets can check the animals before they enter the single market.

No private company in France has been prepared so far to invest the millions of euros needed to build a facility, bringing British exports to the European mainland to a halt since Brexit.

Those bloody French - as bad as the Mexicans refusing to pay for Trump's Wall.

[marhay70]

Aren't there supposed to be biometric checks introduced this year too? That'll be fun.

[CelticRambler]

Aren't there supposed to be biometric checks introduced this year too? That'll be fun.

Yup.

In other "blame the foreigners" news:

Almost 35,000 Britons in limbo as Portugal fails to issue post-Brexit ID cards

A British-South-African couple living just outside Lisbon told how they were detained in Frankfurt airport without correct post-Brexit residency documentation, and are now being accused of criminal breach of immigration laws as well as a near €4,000 (£3,375) bill for new flights to get back to Portugal.

The husband, who did not wish to be named due to ongoing legal action, said: “We were in transit and when we were going to the gate for the Seychelles we were taken aside and asked for our residency documents. We were told what we had was not sufficient. We offered to show them utility bills, tax bills, to prove we were resident in Portugal, but he would not listen. His only concern was that ‘you are illegally in Germany’. He kept on saying it doesn’t matter what the Portuguese government tell you.”

He said it was “almost criminal” what had happened to him and his wife, adding that individuals should not have to resort to the media to fix a government-created problem. He was told he risked being arrested if they returned via Germany so they had to forgo their original tickets and buy new flights to Lisbon via London.

Shocking, I tell you, being treated like third-country citizens when you've got so used to being able to wander freely around the EU and the Schengen Area. Whodathunkit: that so many EU countries actually have and exercise sovereignty, and some German lad can say "your bit of Portuguese paper might be fine in Portugal, but you're in Germany now, Mate. "

[Del.Monte]

An over officious German - who would have thought it - they do have a record of only obeying orders.

[marhay70]

An over officious German - who would have thought it - they do have a record of only obeying orders.

Have you never seen the TV shows about Border Control in UK? Apart from the guys who come in on boats and are promptly shipped off to a country with a record of genocide, try coming in from virtually anywhere without the correct papers and see how far you get. The Brits invented red tape and are expert in applying it.

[knownunknown]

Presumably the expats living abroad wouldn’t have voted for brexit. Seems weird to relish in their misery. This has struck me as a weird argument to make for a long time.

[Del.Monte]

Have you never seen the TV shows about Border Control in UK? Apart from the guys who come in on boats and are promptly shipped off to a country with a record of genocide, try coming in from virtually anywhere without the correct papers and see how far you get. The Brits invented red tape and are expert in applying it.

I see very little TV these days - I thought it was some Aussie channel used to have that type of show? We could do with a bit of border control here but it would be shutting the stable door at this stage and, as far as I know, nobody has been sent to Rwanda yet. A crazy idea anyway.

[CelticRambler]

Presumably the expats living abroad wouldn’t have voted for brexit.

A lot of them did, as it happens, especially the ones who never really left their Daily Mail bubble (they'd be the same ones that used to order croissants from Tesco, for delivery to their permanent residence in a village in France, and who'd also somehow neglected to inform the NHS that they were permanently expatriated ... )

[marhay70]

I see very little TV these days - I thought it was some Aussie channel used to have that type of show? We could do with a bit of border control here but it would be shutting the stable door at this stage and, as far as I know, nobody has been sent to Rwanda yet. A crazy idea anyway.

No, it's in the UK, based in Kent but agents all over the show. Spend their time raiding nail bars , clothing factories, warehouses, tenement houses and the like. There is also a programme on the Border force in Ireland, shown on Pick, IIRC.
The UK Border Force is well equipped, with ships, helicopters, and ground agents, ours, not so well equipped but holding its own, I believe.
A legal case has been taken against the UK government which is holding up the deportations to Rwanda but the intent is there, and that speaks volumes. Where else, except in Tory Britain, would you have a second generation immigrant, whose family fled persecution in Amin's Uganda, coming up with a scheme to ship people, in even worse circumstances than her family endured, off to a tinpot dictatorship in Africa?

[marhay70]

Presumably the expats living abroad wouldn’t have voted for brexit. Seems weird to relish in their misery. This has struck me as a weird argument to make for a long time.

I remember seeing a documentary, before the event, on ex-pat Brits in Spain and quite a few said they had voted for Brexit. These, of course, were the gullible who believed the ERG side of the Tory party, that this would be the start of British Empire, Mk 2.

[6456739]

I remember seeing a documentary, before the event, on ex-pat Brits in Spain and quite a few said they had voted for Brexit. These, of course, were the gullible who believed the ERG side of the Tory party, that this would be the start of British Empire, Mk 2.

The central theme of Brexit was that consequences were for other people. I don't they necessarily looked at Rees-Mogg, Francois & co and believe them so much as they thought that special English people would somehow be immune from the consequences of the removal of their right to live in Spain.

[marhay70]

The central theme of Brexit was that consequences were for other people. I don't they necessarily looked at Rees-Mogg, Francois & co and believe them so much as they thought that special English people would somehow be immune from the consequences of the removal of their right to live in Spain.

This is the same Rees-Mogg who said that there would be no congestion at Dover, that all the problems would occur at Calais and the French would have to deal with it. The same ERG who said the French would have to build more border posts, until the French told them to Fcuk off. I think the Little Englanders among the Brit ex pats, and they are plentiful, did listen, and believed every word of it, because they wanted to.

[6456739]

This is the same Rees-Mogg who said that there would be no congestion at Dover, that all the problems would occur at Calais and the French would have to deal with it. The same ERG who said the French would have to build more border posts, until the French told them to Fcuk off. I think the Little Englanders among the Brit ex pats, and they are plentiful, did listen, and believed every word of it, because they wanted to.

I don't think they cared as long as they themselves would be fine. There's nothing more conservative than only caring about something once it affects either you or someone close to you. I think you're attributing far too much foresight to the Brexiter voter base.

[marhay70]

I don't think they cared as long as they themselves would be fine. There's nothing more conservative than only caring about something once it affects either you or someone close to you. I think you're attributing far too much foresight to the Brexiter voter base.

That's exactly the point, they listened to these self-serving a-holes like Rees Mogg and didn't bother to weigh up the odds for themselves. Brittania was coming back to rule the waves and the world and just a glimpse of a blue passport would open every door, and knock down every wall, the foreigners would not be able to impose their rules ans regulations. Johnny Foreigner would be grovelling at their feet. We've all seen the jingoism, and the pack mentality of the Brits abroad, this was the perfect situation.

[DeletedUser]

That's exactly the point, they listened to these self-serving a-holes like Rees Mogg and didn't bother to weigh up the odds for themselves. Brittania was coming back to rule the waves and the world and just a glimpse of a blue passport would open every door, and knock down every wall, the foreigners would not be able to impose their rules ans regulations. Johnny Foreigner would be grovelling at their feet. We've all seen the jingoism, and the pack mentality of the Brits abroad, this was the perfect situation.

Yeah that’s bollocks lad and you know it.

[marhay70]

Yeah that’s bollocks lad and you know it.

Good of you to drop in with your insightful views, I felt the thread was lacking something and now I know what it was.

[CelticRambler]

Yeah that’s bollocks lad and you know it.

You've obviously never met any of the Little Englander expats, otherwise you'd know they're 100% true to the stereotype.

[6456739]

That's exactly the point, they listened to these self-serving a-holes like Rees Mogg and didn't bother to weigh up the odds for themselves. Brittania was coming back to rule the waves and the world and just a glimpse of a blue passport would open every door, and knock down every wall, the foreigners would not be able to impose their rules ans regulations. Johnny Foreigner would be grovelling at their feet. We've all seen the jingoism, and the pack mentality of the Brits abroad, this was the perfect situation.

In fairness, 48% did vote remain but as you say, it was a perfect situation for the Brexiters. The genius was Dominic Cummings' peddling all sorts of disinformation while leaving the Enoch Powell demographic to Nigel Farage.

They've got what they voted for. Be prepared for years of mindless wailing by these morons once they themselves feel the consequences.

[Del.Monte]

In fairness, 48% did vote remain but as you say, it was a perfect situation for the Brexiters. The genius was Dominic Cummings' peddling all sorts of disinformation while leaving the Enoch Powell demographic to Nigel Farage.

They've got what they voted for. Be prepared for years of mindless wailing by these morons once they themselves feel the consequences.

Meanwhile Ireland will continue to thrive. All the bs about Little Englanders - what about Little Irelanders who have a perfect country and plenty of time to laugh at their neighbours.

[6456739]

Meanwhile Ireland will continue to thrive. All the bs about Little Englanders - what about Little Irelanders who have a perfect country and plenty of time to laugh at their neighbours.

What about them? Why not start a thread about them?