Global Issues through a Female Eye

[isha]

If I'm understanding you correctly, you seem to be criticising those who look at the culture (as it is) of the Taliban and saying that the way they want to, say, treat women, is bad.

Am I reading that right?

No. The opposite. I am not a cultural relativist. I believe in objective standards of what is good and bad, culturally, and, as it happens, morally.
It is a "progressive" thing to speak about other harmful cultural practices as merely being diverse. I do not subscribe to such ideas.

[Hodors Appletart]

ok thanks for the clarification

so my next question - where is the cultural relativism in the attached video of the lady commenting the friendly taliban are chanting "death to america"?

[isha]

ok thanks for the clarification

so my next question - where is the cultural relativism in the attached video of the lady commenting the friendly taliban are chanting "death to america"?

They are chanting "death to America".
They seem friendly at the same time.


The background thought to this is a kind of idiotic recounting is a skewed form of (p)maternalistic cultural indulgence. If that woman was not wearing hijab she would not have been able to muse publicly at all about their friendliness or indeed anything.

Edited to quote her correctly.

[Cyclepath]

They are chanting "death to America".
They seem friendly at the same time.


The background thought to this is a kind of idiotic recounting is a skewed form of (p)maternalistic cultural indulgence. If that woman was not wearing hijab she would not have been able to muse publicly at all about their friendliness or indeed anything.

Edited to quote her correctly.

[Cyclepath]

What really gets me is the cognitive dissonance required to assert these completely contradictory statements. It reminds me of the reporting on some of the 'largely peaceful' BLM marches. We could plainly see rioting and buildings on fire but it didn't fit with the narrative.

To my mind it takes on a condescending slant where the reporter believes you too stupid to absorb nuance and in need of a simpler message.

[isha]

The phrase "new normal" being given a test drive in a different and far more dystopian context. These gobshyte headline writers and journalists.

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2021/0817 ... n-taliban/

Life was returning to a new normal in Kabul as cautious residents ventured out of their homes to see what life would be like under the Taliban following their astonishing return to power at the weekend.

[CelticRambler]

I am not a cultural relativist. I believe in objective standards of what is good and bad, culturally, and, as it happens, morally.
It is a "progressive" thing to speak about other harmful cultural practices as merely being diverse. I do not subscribe to such ideas.

Ummm ... isn't this thread, in an of itself, a subscription to such an idea, based as it is on the premise a "cultural" or "moral" male will not necessarily see, or be able to adequately interpret the impact of, global issues in the same was as a female?

[isha]

Ummm ... isn't this thread, in an of itself, a subscription to such an idea, based as it is on the premise a "cultural" or "moral" male will not necessarily see, or be able to adequately interpret the impact of, global issues in the same was as a female?

It is not intended that way. It is simply that the impact of some global issues are particularly poignant or relevant to the female population eg trans identifying prisoners being transferred in large numbers to female jails in the US which is resulting in increased assault and pregnancy, or girls in prison in Iran for not wearing scarves, or Uighur women being forcibly sterilised, or things like that. Say also for example the absence of millions of females from the global population because of sex-selective abortions or sex selective infanticide. The issues strike particularly hard at women over and above the impact on men, although I do not deny that there is a big impact on men too (as I said in the OP).

I think there are global issues that strike particularly hard at men. Like mining conditions and enslavement for rare earth minerals. Or automatic circumcision in some places. Or denial of access to adequate fatherhood rights by the courts. Or less public information campaigns about male cancers or domestic violence against men in the media globally. And so on. It would not seem relativistic to me to have a thread that viewed global issues through a lens that examined how such examples impacted men particularly.

Here is a video out of Afghanistan this morning that I think conveys the poignancy of the particular difficulty the Taliban takeover poses for women. This women are completely unsafe to do this. They are brave but also foolhardy (I would say).

[Cyclepath]

I agree, I think it's self evident that women will suffer more in the context of a Taliban takeover in Afghanistan. Say you're an average heterosexual couple that find themselves under the new regime. The man can at least appear to adopt the new cultural mores and suffer little persecution or restriction. The woman will have to cease any education, work, driving, socialising, or even walking in public without a chaperone. Any overt or public attempt to break the rules will result in violence, sometimes from her own partner.

[isha]

Last September, 2020, Afghanistan was elected to serve on the UN Commission on Status of Women. This was at least significantly a recognition of the role women in rebuilding Afghanistan over the past 20 years.




That place on the UN Commission on the Status of Women now goes to the Taliban.

[isha]

Maryam Monsef, Minister for Women and Gender Equality in Canada, has called upon "our brothers, the Taliban" to be nice to people trying to flee them.

[isha]

I'm thinking we might need to send instructors to our brothers, the Taliban, to show them how to drive the Black Hawk helicopters they have inherited.

[CelticRambler]

One (probably) doesn't need to have a female eye to see the cruel irony of a certain side of the US political divide weeping crocodile tears over the plight of women in Afghanistan, now that Biden has pulled the troops out; and yet the highest court in that land sits on its hands while the Texas Taliban place bounties on the heads of any of their own females who dare to defy their menfolk in the matters of childbearing (or rather the decision not to bear a child that any man should force upon them).

[dawg]

There is talk that they have some Chinooks to go with the BHs.
Both will have limited operational hours if they cant source spare parts

[isha]

Hmmm. Child brides/ sex abuse victims turning up in the US with some of the evacuated Afghani men.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/afghan-e ... 53668.html

WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. officials are looking into reports that in the frantic evacuation of desperate Afghans from Kabul, older men were admitted together with young girls they claimed as “brides” or otherwise sexually abused.

U.S. officials at intake centers in the United Arab Emirates and in Wisconsin have identified numerous incidents in which Afghan girls have been presented to authorities as the “wives” of much older men. While child marriage is not uncommon in Afghanistan, the U.S. has strict policies against human trafficking that include prosecutions for offenders and sanctions for countries that don't crack down on it.

One internal document seen by The Associated Press says the State Department has sought “urgent guidance” from other agencies after purported child brides were brought to Fort McCoy in Wisconsin. Another document, described to the AP by officials familiar with it, says Afghan girls at a transit site in Abu Dhabi have alleged they have been raped by older men they were forced to marry in order to escape Afghanistan.

[Uncle Frank]

The american gov will no doubt tiptoe around the child bride issue as in half the states of america it is still legal to marry underage girls.
Children as young as 10 have been legally married recently!
https://www.brit.co/these-26-us-states- ... -marriage/

[archfi]

Let's hope the US don't do as they did with the blatant sexual abuse and rape of young boys by police/army etc in Afghanistan where US troops were told to 'turn a blind eye'

[CelticRambler]

Just caught Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez tearing the Texas Taliban chief, Greg Abbott, several new orifices regarding his (lack of) knowledge of female biology.

Great performance, but I think she's wasted on the USAmericans.

[isha]

How many women choke men to death during sex?

Given how much is known about this area, how can it still be claimed as a defense and result in such a ridiculously low sentence for taking another person's life?


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... during-sex

A man who strangled a vulnerable woman during sex after drinking 24 bottles of beer has been sentenced to four years and eight months in prison.

Sam Pybus, 32, from Darlington, pleaded guilty to manslaughter after accepting he had killed Sophie Moss by applying pressure to her neck during consensual “rough” sex, but that he did not intend to hurt her.

There have been several of these cases in recent years - the rough sex defense, or 50 Shades Defense

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... during-sex

Strangulation – fatal and non-fatal – “squeezing”, “neck compression” or, as some call, it “breath-play” – is highly gendered. On average, one woman in the UK is strangled to death by her partner every two weeks, according to Women’s Aid.

https://wecantconsenttothis.uk/

It takes very little to kill someone by choking. How it has ever have been reframed as ''breath play'' is hard to understand. Although I have recently been reading young women's accounts of how Tumblr sexualised them very early into very abusive sex practices. Normalised things for them in ''Tumblr communities''.

A cardiac arrest can occur within seconds of choking. You can get a brain injury without ever having lost consciousness. Increases risk of stroke.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 48936.html

In 1996, two women per year were killed or injured during what the defendants referred to as “consensual rough sex” but this figure had soared to 20 women by 2016, which is a tenfold rise.

Researchers said strangulation is thought to be the second most common cause of stroke in women who are younger than 40.

Other points from a document on choking from researchers at Bangor University and doctors at North Wales Brain Injury Service -

Very little pressure on both the carotid arteries and/or veins for ten seconds is necessary to cause
unconsciousness. However, if the pressure is immediately released, consciousness will be
regained within ten seconds. To completely close off the trachea (windpipe), three times as
much pressure (33 lbs.) is required. Brain death will occur in 4 to 5 minutes, if strangulation
persists.
Be aware that strangulation may cause the following symptoms and/or consequences: difficulty
breathing, raspy, hoarse or loss of voice, coughing, difficulty swallowing, drooling, nausea,
vomiting, changes in behavior, hallucinations, headaches, light headedness, dizziness, urination
or defecation, miscarriage, swollen tongue or lips. These symptoms may be an early indication of
an internal injury such as swelling, bleeding, fractured larynx (“voice box”) or hyoid bone,
seizures, pulmonary edema (lungs filled with fluid) or death within 36 hours due to progressive
internal injuries and/or complications. It is possible to survive the assault, regain consciousness,
refuse medical treatment, and then die later from undiagnosed or unsuspected fatal injury.

[isha]

This is not fair at all. It is just not. I am weary of the idiocy.
There should be separate sporting categories for people who have gone through androgenised puberty, if they no longer identify as male.



Alana Mc Laughlin choked out Celine Provost in the first time a trans woman has competed against women in MMA since Fallon Fox cracked a woman's skull in the ring.

McLaughlin transitioned in their 30s and had been for 6 years a serving member of the US Army Special Forces.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/other-sp ... ssion=true

[Uncle Frank]

Combat sports like mma and boxing should have their categories classed by chromosones rather than male or female. It is the only way to keep people safe.
What is to stop Tyson Fury from identifying as a woman and fighting females? He would kill somebody. (not that he would, he seems like a nice guy. I wouldn't put it past Conor McGregor to fight a woman for big bucks though)

It reminds me of something I read about how women are the real losers with all this trans stuff: they have to share their toilets, prisons and changing rooms. They have got stronger, faster, more aggressive people competing against them in their sports.
Male politicians have nothing to lose by backing the trans stuff, they won't have to sacrifice anything, and if a female politician speaks out against it she will get both barrels from the twitterati.

[dawg]

Combat sports like mma and boxing should have their categories classed by chromosones rather than male or female...

I'd just ban them all . Saves time, cuts out a lot of 'its not fair' and other such nonsense.

Once again Isha gets top marks for pulling the weirdest topics out of the international news media.

[isha]

I'd just ban them all . Saves time, cuts out a lot of 'its not fair' and other such nonsense.

Once again Isha gets top marks for pulling the weirdest topics out of the international news media.

You can supply me with a list of approved topics when you get a chance, Herr Dawg.

[dawg]

You can supply me with a list of approved topics when you get a chance, Herr Dawg.

I'm all in favour of you picking up lesser publicised matters, senorita Isha.

I'd ban the likes of MMA people knocking the bejesus out of each other.

If anyone fancies that carry on couldnt they take up a Houdini type activity over a pool of sharks ?

All the same excitement & danger with only themselves to blame if the end up missing body parts

[isha]

I'm all in favour of you picking up lesser publicised matters, senorita Isha.

I'd ban the likes of MMA people knocking the bejesus out of each other.

If anyone fancies that carry on couldnt they take up a Houdini type activity over a pool of sharks ?

All the same excitement & danger with only themselves to blame if the end up missing body parts

Sorry, I misunderstood Senor Dawg.
Must say I saw a photo of Katie Taylor whacking the snot out of someone recently and I said to the husband that some day Boxing will be banned. I know that is an unpopular opinion - and I know Katie is a brilliant athlete (and so is Kellie Harrington and I feel proud of their achievements). But crikey, it's all a bit rough.