The same people probably moan incessantly about being told what to do by Brussels. Go figure.Mountain wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 12:50 pm Well that's a mess of a post.
Starts by saying EU should "come at Latvia all guns blazing", then suggests they won't do anything (not a contradiction)...and then proceeds to throw in that all other countries will follow and even extend the restrictions to include denial of the right to vote to citizens.
I think the "that escalated quickly" line applies. Goes from "this probably should happen" to "it probably won't happen" to "WE ARE BEING MARCHED OVER A CLIFF" in seconds.
You seem to be taking this to heart for some reason. I suggest less time on anti-vaxx social media accounts and Youtube channels.Abella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 1:31 pm The perfect replies from the usual suspects, 100% paid up members of the cult of covid, democracy cancelled in the name of covid, and you all approve?
Posters practically begging for big brother to take away all their rights.
What next, fat people banned from hospital, "get your fat ass on a fast you are clogging up the hospitals" you all be cool with that?
I don't think you have a solid grasp of the meaning of the word democracy.ancapailldorcha wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 12:29 pm Good. Anti-vaxxers have no place undermining democracy and it's nice to see at least one country stand up to them.
They voted for it themselves. Meanwhile, we have anti-vaxxers othering anyone who dares offer a dissenting opinion from the mainstream here and constantly spamming threads on this topic because they seem to be unable to go a few hours without another bit of validation from the hivemind.Memento Mori wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 2:38 pm The idea that political representatives are essentially banned from representing their constituents and casting votes because they did not undergo a certain medical procedure is an affront to democracy (if the claim is true as presented).
The "othering" that is going on is really something, the cheerleaders are those who would be first to complain about historical group-think and "oppression" of those who didn't agree with the mainstream. "Yeah, but we are right and they are wrong" is the response...
Are you arguing that parliaments by definition cannot pass laws that are anti-democratic in nature and effect? What does someone else posting "anti vax" threads or posts have to do with my comment?ancapailldorcha wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 2:43 pm They voted for it themselves. Meanwhile, we have anti-vaxxers othering anyone who dares offer a dissenting opinion from the mainstream here and constantly spamming threads on this topic because they seem to be unable to go a few hours without another bit of validation from the hivemind.
Case in point. Make things up when the facts don't suit.Memento Mori wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 2:47 pm Are you arguing that parliaments by definition cannot pass laws that are anti-democratic in nature and effect?
I personally do not agree with Abella's opinions on most things and challenge them from time to time, if I feel inclined. I am not, however, going to take anyone ''aside'' and have a word with them. Very silly and patronising suggestion.Mountain wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 3:14 pm I don't think you've read Abella's contributions here.
You should. They're bizarre. Mostly completely made up, or stories that he's misunderstood.
This one might be interesting, and maybe even Latvia's position is objectionable. But the anti vaxxers should nearly take Abella aside and tell him that when he leads, the point is damaged beyond repair straight away. Because we genuinely don't know if this is more of his conspiracy theory ravings or a real issue. Let someone who can put the point calmly and coherently open a thread
By your logic I must challenge you on your every opinion on every subject matter raised based upon what I think is your utterly insane insistence that the Kerry babies murder investigation be abandoned because it would be unpleasant for some people?
There's nothing 'anti democratic' about it. 62 of Latvia's 100 MP's voted in favour of the decision. That's democracy in action.
A Machiavellian, I see.
No, I don't to be honest, the thread titles rarely interest me. I did include a caveat in my post: "if the claim is true as presented" when I offered my opinion.Mountain wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 3:14 pm I don't think you've read Abella's contributions here.
You should. They're bizarre. Mostly completely made up, or stories that he's misunderstood.
This one might be interesting, and maybe even Latvia's position is objectionable. But the anti vaxxers should nearly take Abella aside and tell him that when he leads, the point is damaged beyond repair straight away. Because we genuinely don't know if this is more of his conspiracy theory ravings or a real issue. Let someone who can put the point calmly and coherently open a thread
So what should I take "They voted for it themselves" to mean? I took it as meaning what Scotty later stated more directly:ancapailldorcha wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 2:53 pm Case in point. Make things up when the facts don't suit.
Simple. The lawmakers voted for this.Memento Mori wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 6:16 pm So what should I take "They voted for it themselves" to mean? I took it as meaning what Scotty later stated more directly:
This is the slippery slope we are usually warned about, forced medical procedures to do the job they where voted into do, what's next sterilization of certain people ? You might think its far fetched but once they get away with something they will push on and try to get away with something else, but some posters here will be OK with it as it was a majority vote of MP's, unbelievable ignorance of history.Memento Mori wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 2:38 pm The idea that political representatives are essentially banned from representing their constituents and casting votes because they did not undergo a certain medical procedure is an affront to democracy (if the claim is true as presented).
The "othering" that is going on is really something, the cheerleaders are those who would be first to complain about historical group-think and "oppression" of those who didn't agree with the mainstream. "Yeah, but we are right and they were wrong" is the response...
The insistence that anyone who happens to agree or share vaguely similar opinions on one specific item with someone who you deem objectionable, in this instance an "anti-vaxxer", must share wider opinions to the extent of being fellow "campaigner" on an issue is a very regressive phenomenon. It's a display of a most base and unsophisticated tribalism. Either that, or a deliberately cynical bullying maneuver to stifle discussion.
Ah, here was me thinking you had a point to make and were engaging on the issue of whether this exclusion is anti-democratic. I'm a victim to my naive charitable nature yet again.
And yet you continue to do your best to discredit independent thought and champion what is basically fascism.Abella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 6:27 pm The totalitarians are out in force, i can only believe they are scared, got to get the vaccine into as many as possible, if this is a sinking ship everyone is going down with them, they are reluctant to countenance they made a mistake getting vaccinated and now everyone must go down with them, all in it together.
I'm still not getting the vaccine, i believe the tide is already turning, wont be long before the vaccinated are stating they did not get it, no one will admit to having the wool pulled over their eyes.
I did but you opted for your usual gaslighting. Better for us both if I stop wasting my time. Last word's yours if you want it.Memento Mori wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 6:25 pm Ah, here was me thinking you had a point to make and were engaging on the issue of whether this exclusion is anti-democratic. I'm a victim to my naive charitable nature yet again.
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