IMMIGRATION OUT OF CONTROL

[Bubblypop]

Another tactic of the pro- open doors mob - treating ALL immigration the same.

No one is against immigration. We are however against mass immigration without supports in place and additional services added and are very much against unvetted, unchecked crowds of 90% young men using supports that should be for genuine refugee women and children.

There clearly are people who are against immigration, on this thread there have been posts from more then one poster who have issues with seeing foreign people living here and not in their own countries.

[ceannairceach]

I agree with what you are saying apart from granting “women and children” an automatic pass as if that’s a route that cannot (and is not being) exploited.

Oh I agree - thinking more like you see refugee camps on genuine war zones like Syria and Yemen etc and it’s women and children; the pathetic chancers that rock up here are mostly men.

Either they’re rank cowards who left their family in danger or they’re on the scam. I want neither in my country.

[kadman]

I have a problem with illegal immigrants, and the prioritization given to their needs over Irish people . So the problem i have is with the government .no one else

[Jequ0n]

Oh I agree - thinking more like you see refugee camps on genuine war zones like Syria and Yemen etc and it’s women and children; the pathetic chancers that rock up here are mostly men.

Either they’re rank cowards who left their family in danger or they’re on the scam. I want neither in my country.

It’s a tactic. At least one male family member goes over first, secures the asylum status and then imports the rest of the family. We are talking about cultures that typically have large families and it’s unlikely a woman would be left unsupervised and “unprotected” by family. Extending asylum status to family members should not be a thing.

[ceannairceach]

It’s a tactic. At least one male family member goes over first, secures the asylum status and then imports the rest of the family. We are talking about cultures that typically have large families and it’s unlikely a woman would be left unsupervised and “unprotected” by family. Extending asylum status to family members should not be a thing.

I’ve always said that family reunion was a scam.

[ceannairceach]

I have a problem with illegal immigrants, and the prioritization given to their needs over Irish people . So the problem i have is with the government .no one else

Spot on.

Free everything - and ruining our tourist industry and many small towns’ economies.

And tbh that’s just nowhere near the worst.

[Bubblypop]

I have a problem with illegal immigrants, and the prioritization given to their needs over Irish people . So the problem i have is with the government .no one else

Illegal immigrants are not entitled to anything. So nothing to worry about

[NewBroom]

Has anyone got a 'Turkish Barber' in their local town? Seems to at least 2 here in each local town over past several years. I needed a cut one day but my local Irish lad was closed, so was heading onwards and stopped at a Turkish in next town. I was the only customer, he fairly skint my hair and charged me more than double my local man so I haven't been back. But I have noticed in passing that they are often fairly empty, so was wondering how they pay their way.

A plausible explanation I've heard is that the staff all tend to be male relatives of various degrees. That one comes over from 'Turkey', establishes residency, sets up a barber and then invites over a relative to work on a permit system. The relative works for board & food and then disappears into the wider black market for low paid jobs. Making room for another relative and so on. And in time when their 'papers' are legal, they bring over wives and children and set up a new barber and so on.

So how many Turkish Barbers are there in towns near you and have you any view of their business model, whether above or some other modus operandi?

[Jequ0n]

I’ve always said that family reunion was a scam.

Of course it is. But I can’t blame them for seizing the opportunity if it’s dangled in front of them.

[Jequ0n]

Illegal immigrants are not entitled to anything. So nothing to worry about

They are when they succeed in fooling the system, which of course happens. It would be impetuous to refute that this never occurs. And in that case the resolution (and expulsion) should be swift and final (meaning trying to ensure that they will be flagged or identified upon their expected re-entry to the country)

[Bubblypop]

It’s a tactic. At least one male family member goes over first, secures the asylum status and then imports the rest of the family. We are talking about cultures that typically have large families and it’s unlikely a woman would be left unsupervised and “unprotected” by family. Extending asylum status to family members should not be a thing.

It's a 'tatic' in the way that it is obviously the safest way for people to leave such areas.
Men and boys are killed, women and children tend not to be. Men leave first because it's a dangerous journey (look at people drowned in the Mediterranean) then they get assistance to get their families out.
Men leave because it's dangerous for them to stay, women and children stay because it's dangerous for them to leave. That's well known and very obvious

[Bubblypop]

They are when they succeed in fooling the system, which of course happens. It would be impetuous to refute that this never occurs. And in that case the resolution (and expulsion) should be swift and final (meaning trying to ensure that they will be flagged or identified upon their expected re-entry to the country)

Nope. What do you mean by fooling the system?

[Jequ0n]

It's a 'tatic' in the way that it is obviously the safest way for people to leave such areas.
Men and boys are killed, women and children tend not to be. Men leave first because it's a dangerous journey (look at people drowned in the Mediterranean) then they get assistance to get their families out.
Men leave because it's dangerous for them to stay, women and children stay because it's dangerous for them to leave. That's well known and very obvious

I know (and don’t care what happens to people).
If the company of fellow travellers is this dangerous you ought to ask yourself whether you really want these people in your country.

[Bubblypop]

I know (and don’t care what happens to people).
If the company of fellow travellers is this dangerous you ought to ask yourself whether you really want these people in your country.

No one suggested it's fellow travellers that makes it dangerous. There are many different issues that makes it dangerous, such as crossing the Mediterranean, or the countries they travel through.
If you don't care what happens to people, then people fleeing war or unrest means nothing to you.
Most countries however, do care about human rights and safety of people fleeing for asylum.
Most people do care

[kadman]

Illegal immigrants are not entitled to anything. So nothing to worry about

Well that all depends on what you call ilegal. Anyone thats trekked across europe and who could have claimed asylum in other countries, and miraculously appeared in Ireland with no papers, needs to be regarded as illegal until proved otherwise. But they dont have to prove anything at all.

My mother is 93 years of age with dementia who has worked since a child basically. And you should see the amount of paperwork and hoops, and selections we had to jump through to get her into nursing care, which we 4 pensioners have to pay for. Dont get me started about immigrants rights please.

[Bubblypop]

Well that all depends on what you call ilegal. Anyone thats trekked across europe and who could have claimed asylum in other countries, and miraculously appeared in Ireland with no papers, needs to be regarded as illegal until proved otherwise. But they dont have to prove anything at all.

My mother is 93 years of age with dementia who has worked since a child basically. And you should see the amount of paperwork and hoops, and selections we had to jump through to get her into nursing care, which we 4 pensioners have to pay for. Dont get me started about immigrants rights please.

Illegal is illegal. It's definition is clear. Doesn't include what your talking about.
No idea what your mother's health has to do with it.

[Jequ0n]

No one suggested it's fellow travellers that makes it dangerous. There are many different issues that makes it dangerous, such as crossing the Mediterranean, or the countries they travel through.
If you don't care what happens to people, then people fleeing war or unrest means nothing to you.
Most countries however, do care about human rights and safety of people fleeing for asylum.
Most people do care

But you have said it yourself. Men leave and make the initial journey because it would be too unsafe for the and brats to undertake it.
Any travel by regular and legal means is safe to say the least. Any travel outside of the legal scope less so, but the fatality rates are minimal compared to the numbers that make it through so the danger lies elsewhere, and that leaves fellow travellers and financially invested enablers.
There are only winners in this game.

And no, I don’t care about people fleeing whatever war or circumstance. I want people who will be useful and not just a burden. I’m practical.

[kadman]

Illegal is illegal. It's definition is clear. Doesn't include what your talking about.
No idea what your mother's health has to do with it.

I want all legal, tax paying, contributing members of society, to have the same rights, a level playing field if you will.

My mothers example shows thats not the case if we do not treat all members of irish society the same. Immigrants appear not to have to go through the same vetting process to get these rights. My gripe is with the government.

[Bubblypop]

I want all legal, tax paying, contributing members of society, to have the same rights, a level playing field if you will.

My mothers example shows thats not the case if we do not treat all members of irish society the same. Immigrants appear not to have to go through the same vetting process to get these rights. My gripe is with the government.

Well your safe enough so, everyone is legal and treated equally.
Illegal immigrants have no entitlements

[Bubblypop]

But you have said it yourself. Men leave and make the initial journey because it would be too unsafe for the and brats to undertake it.
Any travel by regular and legal means is safe to say the least. Any travel outside of the legal scope less so, but the fatality rates are minimal compared to the numbers that make it through so the danger lies elsewhere, and that leaves fellow travellers and financially invested enablers.
There are only winners in this game.

When the US left Afghanistan, there were thousands of people in immediate danger. Getting out by regular and legal means was not an option. People had to sneak out, with no documents , across borders, risk themselves being shot/killed/kidnapped. They then had to travel through other dangerous countries where it was dangerous to trust anyone.
People getting into boats to cross the Mediterranean, risk their lives, that's obvious but the hundreds that drowned every year.
And that's just 2 off the top of my head.
So, no, nothing to do with fellow travellers.

[kadman]

Well your safe enough so, everyone is legal and treated equally.
Illegal immigrants have no entitlements

How do we know everyone is legal, we dont vet them. How can we vet them when they have no documentation.

[Jequ0n]

When the US left Afghanistan, there were thousands of people in immediate danger. Getting out by regular and legal means was not an option. People had to sneak out, with no documents , across borders, risk themselves being shot/killed/kidnapped. They then had to travel through other dangerous countries where it was dangerous to trust anyone.
People getting into boats to cross the Mediterranean, risk their lives, that's obvious but the hundreds that drowned every year.
And that's just 2 off the top of my head.
So, no, nothing to do with fellow travellers.

We aren’t talking about Afghanistan in the past , we are talking about now.
Most people fleeing a conflict area will seek refuge at the nearest opportunity instead of continuing their journey until they get to the destination of their choice. That’s what people have an issue with.
Countries should not have to accept someone who passed several safe counties to get to the country of their choice. Instead countries and hot spots know for these types of arrivals should get support from the EU to encourage their return because now they are only incentivised to pass them on asap.

[kadman]

Deputy director of Irish Military Intelligence had this to say on RTE, and i reckon he should know.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2025/0525/15148 ... on-system/

Speaking on RTÉ's This Week, Mr Murphy said: "The system is wide open for abuse.

"You have people coming in, travelling in without passports.

"We don't know who they are. If you're coming from a third country, say far away, how do you do the security check on who they are?"

"They can come in on a false passport. They can come in and stay in the country, not ever be discovered.

"So therefore yes, our system or lack of border control is a security threat to the State."

Mr Murphy said that abuse of the system was harming the cases of those who are actually seeking asylum in Ireland, and that the security checks should be more balanced.

"I think the first thing is actually balancing a little bit more to the security side and of course, look after the genuine people who are fleeing war.

"There's a lot of people who are not fleeing war and using the system to get into the country," he said.

"That abuse is actually hurting those who are genuinely looking for asylum," he added.

Mr Murphy said that Ireland was vulnerable by not having control over the Common Travel Area with the UK.

[Bubblypop]

How do we know everyone is legal, we dont vet them. How can we vet them when they have no documentation.

Everyone that enters the country do so legally, unless they enter illegally.
UK citizens can enter and do whatever they want, legal
Eu citizens can enter legally and do certain things, legally
Visa holders enter legally, and do certain things legally
Refugees enter the country, legally as part of a legal refugee program and can do things legally.
Asylum seekers enter legally, and can do certain things legally.

The only people that are illegal, are the people that enter other then the above, people overstaying Visas, people entering as tourists and staying, people entering as illegal immigrants.
Non of which have any entitlements to anything here.

[NewBroom]

When the US left Afghanistan, there were thousands of people in immediate danger. Getting out by regular and legal means was not an option. People had to sneak out, with no documents , across borders, risk themselves being shot/killed/kidnapped. They then had to travel through other dangerous countries where it was dangerous to trust anyone.

We have no duty of care to the people of Afghanistan, I have no duty of care to them. As a country it's not our obligation to sort out their political problems.

Afghans should not have been fleeing then or fleeing now, it's their country. Let them stay and sort out their own problems. Why run away, expect others to take you in and leave your country a basket case and your relatives lives at risk?

When this wee country eventually got around to establishing some sort of independence, it was done by those who stayed and made it what it is.