Israel and Palestine

[knownunknown]

@jmayo

“Ah seriously Jequ0n are you trying to deny the rape and murders that occurred on Oct 7th?
Are you saying it was propaganda?

BTW I have seen some try claim it was propaganda.
These are usually the types that revert to making claims about "small hats" running the world mind.
That is one thing that has put me off Gript as some of the posters that were around there were the type that engaged in holocaust denial and lauded the nazis.

I have also read comments by those, non Israelis as well, that have said they have seen video footage taken by Hamas of what was done on Oct 7th and that it is truly sickening and it shocks them how anyone can defend hamas.”

I never alleged that no violence occurred or that women didn’t get raped. I asked this has been proven as a fact because I had not seen any credible source yet.

Part of the problem is that people supporting either side get way too emotionally involved and sometimes choose to believe only sources that support their view. And in this particular case the source would have interested me more than the conflict itself.

What evidence would you accept? You have hostages raped in captivity and stories from men and women about being raped. I’d imagine not many of those raped were left to live when Hamas murdered thousands on Oct. 7th.

The first thing on the first responders mind wasn’t to swab vaginas when they saw thousands massacred and hundreds taken hostage.

Have people really an issue believing claims of rape by a gang of terrorists who have no problem abducting babies and murdering them? Have you seen any of the testimony from the released hostages?

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

So if it were your family member you’d just leave them there to rot? Again no mention of the hostages or Hamas. The leadership of Palestine has told Hamas to surrender their weapons and the hostages so they are now the only obstacle to peace.

If you actually cared about the people of Palestine you’d realize this but your blind hatred of Israel is clouding what is sitting right in front of you.

The people of Palestine know what they want and it is Hamas out and they will risk their lives to shout it from the roof tops, yet we have Hamas propagandists such as yourself constantly “ but… but… Israel”.

You're the one straw-maning hard here. You're ignoring all the facts, arguments and ideas I have presented about the Israel-Palestine conflict in Gaza. I said you would be silent on those questions, and you will remain silent because those truths utterly destroy the little narrative you're trying to build. Going for a cop out, easy, emotive, low hanging fruit simpleton question that has almost zero relevance to the present day issue which is ending this war.

You're a lovely little propagandist yourself. You will never admit your blind hatred for the captive Palestinian population in the Gaza Strip. Your silence on that says it all.

I have no hatred for ordinary Israelis only for the psychopathic Zionist leadership prolonging this war and stringing everyone along, the Palestinians, the hostages, the IDF grunts, everyone. All so Netyenyahoo and the other fanatics can avoid accepting they have committed awful crimes against humanity, genocide, collective punishment, apartheid etc. against the Palestinians.

A ceasefire could be done and dusted tomorrow. There is no will from Netyenyahoo to stop this, so Hamas also has no will to stop this. The waste of Israeli soldiers' lives, Palestinian's lives, all the lives at stake in Gaza does not require all the hostages to be released. It never has.

Wiping out whole families of innocent Palestinians does nothing for Israel and only crafts an entire new generation of recruits for Hamas. Ethnically cleansing Gaza and the mass murder of the Palestinians makes the Zionist leadership into the very thing they despised. A fanatical racist government akin to the Nazis who persecuted their ancestors in Europe. The people and the state who tried the Nazi war criminal, Adolf Eichmann, in Jerusalem in 1961, have now elected a Zionist war criminal, Benjamin Netanyahu, who could end up in the Hague for genocide just like Eichmann. The sad irony of that is beyond sick.

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

I know someone who has seen the GoPro videos - part of them as they could not face more than a few minutes.

Rape happened, gang rape happened, the worst violence you can imagine happened.

Jesus look what is happening in the “small boats” crossing the channel, women and girls raped WHILE FLEEING FOR THEIR LIVES (if you believe that garbage stories).

These people are largely of one faith - a vile, misogynistic death cult that should not be “recognised” as a state, but destroyed.

Very balanced view of all the human beings who follow Islam, I assume.
Again that's the insinuation isn't it, Ceannairceach? Care to actually tell us what you mean? I mean really let it all out.

You know there's 2 billion people, that follow Islam? I assume you're tarring them all with that awfully big brush stoke you did there? Then the little touch to bring it back to Palestine again with the they should not be recognized as a state thing. Again, I have to assume that unless you want to be clearer.

You do know there are many Palestinian Christians too. Should they not have a state to call home too? Just say clearly what you mean, no need to beat around the bush there with these evasive allusions, Ceannairceach.

[knownunknown]

You're the one straw-maning hard here. You're ignoring all the facts, arguments and ideas I have presented about the Israel-Palestine conflict in Gaza. I said you would be silent on those questions, and you will remain silent because those truths utterly destroy the little narrative you're trying to build. Going for a cop out, easy, emotive, low hanging fruit simpleton question that has almost zero relevance to the present day issue which is ending this war.

You're a lovely little propagandist yourself. You will never admit your blind hatred for the captive Palestinian population in the Gaza Strip. Your silence on that says it all.

I have no hatred for ordinary Israelis only for the psychopathic Zionist leadership prolonging this war and stringing everyone along, the Palestinians, the hostages, the IDF grunts, everyone. All so Netyenyahoo and the other fanatics can avoid accepting they have committed awful crimes against humanity, genocide, collective punishment, apartheid etc. against the Palestinians.

A ceasefire could be done and dusted tomorrow. There is no will from Netyenyahoo to stop this, so Hamas also has no will to stop this. The waste of Israeli soldiers' lives, Palestinian's lives, all the lives at stake in Gaza does not require all the hostages to be released. It never has.

Wiping out whole families of innocent Palestinians does nothing for Israel and only crafts an entire new generation of recruits for Hamas. Ethnically cleansing Gaza and the mass murder of the Palestinians makes the Zionist leadership into the very thing they despised. A fanatical racist government akin to the Nazis who persecuted their ancestors in Europe. The people and the state who tried the Nazi war criminal, Adolf Eichmann, in Jerusalem in 1961, have now elected a Zionist war criminal, Benjamin Netanyahu, who could end up in the Hague for genocide just like Eichmann. The sad irony of that is beyond sick.

You want some facts? GHF which has been delivering aid to the Palestinian people since march people on your side have said they were firing on civilians and warning people not to get aid. The same thing Hamas has done, threatened people getting free aid with death.

This is not caring about civilians. This is about hating Israel.

[schmittel]

This is not caring about civilians. This is about hating Israel.

I have made some pretty disapproving comments on here about Israel's recent activity in Palestine, do you genuinely believe it is because I hate Israel and Israeli's?

i.e is it possible in your opinion to express some level of disapproval without being guilty of hating Israel? How does it work?

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

You want some facts? GHF which has been delivering aid to the Palestinian people since march people on your side have said they were firing on civilians and warning people not to get aid. The same thing Hamas has done, threatened people getting free aid with death.

This is not caring about civilians. This is about hating Israel.

That's the GHF that regularly allowed the IDF to indiscriminately bomb and target Palestinian civilians in the bread queues which led to hundreds of deaths over the past year, including many children. That's along with many witnesses stating they have been deliberately ordered by IDF superiors to target Palestinian women and children at GHF depots.

https://www.trtworld.com/article/25999a7412b7

That's the GHF that has been discredited as directly taking part in a psychological warfare operation alongside the IDF to control and corral Palestinian civilians using extremely limited numbers of aid stations for 2 million starving and malnourished people to corral them as and when they so chose?

https://badil.org/press-releases/15996.html

That's the GHF that UNRWA and several other international aid agencies have called to be disbanded because it is utterly failing to prevent a famine in Gaza despite it being Israel and the IDF's responsibility to ensure the innocent population is fed. Instead, a famine has been declared and at least 440 Palestinians have starved to death or died from malnutrition along with 147 children in the past year.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/8/1 ... y-children

https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/official ... ls-end-GHF

The IDF has complete control in vast areas of Gaza. Hamas are done and have almost zero operational capacity at this point beyond hit and run skirmishes. Netyenyahoo's alleged goal of eradicating Hamas is impossible, that's according to former Israeli intelligence experts, not me.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/19/worl ... -gaza.html

The suggestion you're making that Hamas can requisition or siphon aid from the GHF at this point, unmolested, in one of the most heavily watched 41x12km patches of land on Earth, with the surveillance technology and technical sophistication available to the IDF, now that is farcical. The director of the World Food Program says the Hamas stealing aid claim has been a lie propagated from the very beginning of the use of the GHF in Gaza.

https://badil.org/press-releases/15996.html

Your arguments are ringing very hollow, Knownunknown.

[ceannairceach]

I have made some pretty disapproving comments on here about Israel's recent activity in Palestine, do you genuinely believe it is because I hate Israel and Israeli's?

i.e is it possible in your opinion to express some level of disapproval without being guilty of hating Israel? How does it work?

No I don’t believe criticism is because people hate Israel.

It’s because they finally have an excuse to openly hate Jews.

[notobtuse]

No I don’t believe criticism is because people hate Israel.

It’s because they finally have an excuse to openly hate Jews.

That does seem to be it.

[Jequ0n]

What evidence would you accept? You have hostages raped in captivity and stories from men and women about being raped. I’d imagine not many of those raped were left to live when Hamas murdered thousands on Oct. 7th.

The first thing on the first responders mind wasn’t to swab vaginas when they saw thousands massacred and hundreds taken hostage.

Have people really an issue believing claims of rape by a gang of terrorists who have no problem abducting babies and murdering them? Have you seen any of the testimony from the released hostages?

Good question. If I’m honest I probably wouldn’t believe anyone if the only evidence was their word. But that applies consistently for all people, before anyone throws around accusations. It doesn’t mean that I disbelieve anyone, but that I am not convinced either way because blind belief is as toxic as blind disbelief.

Those testimonies in the video don’t work on me. I find them pointless but I don’t mind if other people see them differently.

[schmittel]

No I don’t believe criticism is because people hate Israel.

It’s because they finally have an excuse to openly hate Jews.

Finally we have an excuse to openly hate Jews?!

I didn't give Israel or Jewish people too much thought up until about early 2024, certainly didn't have strong opinions on them either way.

And apparently I am now a rampant anti-semite? And it's my fault because I had been secretly awaiting an excuse to unleash my hatred on Jews?

Surely you can see how ridiculous that is?

Could you acknowledge that it is even possible that the events of the last 18 months or so might have influenced the increasing global anti-Israel sentiment?

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

No I don’t believe criticism is because people hate Israel.

It’s because they finally have an excuse to openly hate Jews.

How long ago was it you insinuated you hate all followers of Islam? Less than 2 or 3 hours ago?

That would seem to smell of hypocrisy no? For someone to seem to hate an entire religious group with blanket accusations and then later accuse others of hating on another different religious group with zero evidence offered to back up that accusation either?

I wouldn't let an individual like that have a bag of rocks in a glass house. They might break every single pane of glass in the joint.