The Epstein files

[Jequ0n]

I doubt that the hiring of prostitutes at the taxpayers expense by Herr Battenberg was legal. He seems to have misused public funds to satisfy his perverse needs.
In any case- Herr Battenberg should not have behaved as he did. He inflicted big damage on a variety of people and his behaviour was not in the best interest of the UK or the royal family.

Why would it be illegal? Aren’t most of their activities tax funded to some degree anyway?

Your condemnation rings some very 16th century vibes here.

[Quato]

Why would it be illegal? Aren’t most of their activities tax funded to some degree anyway?

Your condemnation rings some very 16th century vibes here.

Herr Battenberg served as special international trade and investment representative for the UK. As such,he represented the UK and was obliged to behave in a certain way to show the UK in a very positive light. fecking around with hordes of prostitutes, all paid by the British public, is certainly not part of the work of a representative of the UK and its people. Especially in his case, there is no difference between legal and illegal behaviour. He should have shown his best- but got stuck in an extremely vulgar lifestyle.

[knownunknown]

Herr Battenberg served as special international trade and investment representative for the UK. As such,he represented the UK and was obliged to behave in a certain way to show the UK in a very positive light. fecking around with hordes of prostitutes, all paid by the British public, is certainly not part of the work of a representative of the UK and its people. Especially in his case, there is no difference between legal and illegal behaviour. He should have shown his best- but got stuck in an extremely vulgar lifestyle.

This is a man who admitted to staying with a sex trafficker after he was charged with trafficking because it was “convenient”.

[Jequ0n]

This is a man who admitted to staying with a sex trafficker after he was charged with trafficking because it was “convenient”.

Charge doesn’t equate guilt.

[Jequ0n]

Herr Battenberg served as special international trade and investment representative for the UK. As such,he represented the UK and was obliged to behave in a certain way to show the UK in a very positive light. fecking around with hordes of prostitutes, all paid by the British public, is certainly not part of the work of a representative of the UK and its people. Especially in his case, there is no difference between legal and illegal behaviour. He should have shown his best- but got stuck in an extremely vulgar lifestyle.

I don’t think anyone argues for legal absolution, but you can’t demand someone to be punished for 16th century style moral crimes.

[knownunknown]

Charge doesn’t equate guilt.

I could understand staying with a friend you know to be innocent who got charged with sex trafficking, but he said he barely knew him.

[Quato]

I don’t think anyone argues for legal absolution, but you can’t demand someone to be punished for 16th century style moral crimes.

I understand. In a world where an American president can boast about grabbing women by the pussy, thug-like behavior such as that of Herr Battenberg is absolutely normal.

[Jequ0n]

I could understand staying with a friend you know to be innocent who got charged with sex trafficking, but he said he barely knew him.

You can never truly know if someone is innocent of the crime accused or not, so you can play it safe and stay awa, or ignore it until a decision has been decreed.

[Jequ0n]

I understand. In a world where an American president can boast about grabbing women by the pussy a thuggish behaviour like that of Herr Battenberg is absolutely normal.

I’d prefer a world where basic punctuation would still be honoured, but here we are. I guess we’ll never see eye to eye on out different priorities.

[Quato]

Red alert- grammar nazi en guard....and I am caught again. Are you a fecking teacher?
What does "out" stand for?

[Jequ0n]

Red alert- grammar nazi en guard....and I am caught again. Are you a fecking teacher?
What does "out" stand for?

God forbid. Thanks for fixing.
And back on topic. The woman was a prostitute, so it is was her job to get railed. She found a way to express a lot of money for her silence, which is the reason why people like her are usually killed to avoid these situations from happening. There is not a single reason to see her in any positive light.

[ceannairceach]

God forbid. Thanks for fixing.
And back on topic. The woman was a prostitute, so it is was her job to get railed. She found a way to express a lot of money for her silence, which is the reason why people like her are usually killed to avoid these situations from happening. There is not a single reason to see her in any positive light.

Well said, genuinely zero saving graces.

[Quato]

God forbid. Thanks for fixing.
And back on topic. The woman was a prostitute, so it is was her job to get railed. She found a way to express a lot of money for her silence, which is the reason why people like her are usually killed to avoid these situations from happening. There is not a single reason to see her in any positive light.

She got indeed a huge pile of money. But all this is no good to her- she cannot even buy herself a single pint of Guinness now!

[p.ie man]

To say Ms Giuffre was a prostitute and her allegations can be disregarded is ridiculous. For one thing, the royal family take her allegations seriously.

[ceannairceach]

To say Ms Giuffre was a prostitute and her allegations can be disregarded is ridiculous. For one thing, the royal family take her allegations seriously.

Ot rather they paid to get her to go away - and you Dan very much call her a prostitute.

[Jequ0n]

To say Ms Giuffre was a prostitute and her allegations can be disregarded is ridiculous. For one thing, the royal family take her allegations seriously.

Nobody argued that her allegations are ridiculous. But they ought to be taken with a pinch of salt because her sole interest was to extort as much money as possible. She has never been interested in revealing “the truth”.

[Quato]

Virginia's "sole" interest was not money. Otherwise she would not be dead now and would celebrate life. But she was very interested in sharing her story with all of us.

[Jequ0n]

Virginia's "sole" interest was not money. Otherwise she would not be dead now and would celebrate life. But she was very interested in sharing her story with all of us.

Guiffre is dead because she topped herself. The reasons for it are neither known to you or me, but there is no denying that she was caught with some pretty obvious lies shortly before she killed herself which had seriously destroyed the believability she had left and people were starting to doubt her glorified victim role.

[Quato]

I told you already that she was suffering under a sever trauma and was afraid of her life. That did a lot to her mind. If you want, you can say that she was not the full shilling anymore. But stop telling us here that she lied all over the place. She was very sick- but not a liar as such!

[ceannairceach]

I told you already that she was suffering under a sever trauma and was afraid of her life. That did a lot to her mind. If you want, you can say that she was not the full shilling anymore. But stop telling us here that she lied all over the place. She was very sick- but not a liar as such!

With all due respect you cannot possibly know any of that.

[Quato]

An otherwise physically healthy person killing herself can have only one reason...
Look- there are folks here who want to present her as a greedy dirty prostitute, who knew exactly what she was doing, who was not forced to do what she did, who was out for the money and lied all over the place when the spotlight was turned on her. The tragedy of this person's life is all forgotten and one pile of rubbish after the other is emptied out onto her dead body by certain interested quarters.
Meanwhile, Herr Andreas Battenberg, "Prime Minister" and many others are happily living ever after and their friends and helpers are doing everything to cover for them- and possible for themselves.

[ceannairceach]

An otherwise physically healthy person killing herself can have only one reason...
Look- there are folks here who want to present her as a greedy dirty prostitute, who knew exactly what she was doing, who was not forced to do what she did, who was out for the money and lied all over the place when the spotlight was turned on her. The tragedy of this person's life is all forgotten and one pile of rubbish after the other is emptied out onto her dead body by certain interested quarters.
Meanwhile, Herr Andreas Battenberg, "Prime Minister" and many others are happily living ever after and their friends and helpers are doing everything to cover for them- and possible for themselves.

No one called her dirty.

I had a friend that was open that her mother was on the game to support her family. I admired her selflessness.

It’s a horrible job, generally not the first choice (or even a choice) for women but she wouldn’t be judged for being a prostitute.

But neither should innocent people go to jail on her word.

People commit suicide for all manner of reasons, it’s sadly far from simple.

[Jequ0n]

An otherwise physically healthy person killing herself can have only one reason...
Look- there are folks here who want to present her as a greedy dirty prostitute, who knew exactly what she was doing, who was not forced to do what she did, who was out for the money and lied all over the place when the spotlight was turned on her. The tragedy of this person's life is all forgotten and one pile of rubbish after the other is emptied out onto her dead body by certain interested quarters.
Meanwhile, Herr Andreas Battenberg, "Prime Minister" and many others are happily living ever after and their friends and helpers are doing everything to cover for them- and possible for themselves.

Only one reason possible? I have to say that that line of argument is incredibly naive and only serves to cement one’s own viewpoint.

[Jequ0n]

I told you already that she was suffering under a sever trauma and was afraid of her life. That did a lot to her mind. If you want, you can say that she was not the full shilling anymore. But stop telling us here that she lied all over the place. She was very sick- but not a liar as such!

I do not care about her trauma or anybody else’s. It’s not my problem if you can’t emotionally detach yourself from this topic and therefore can’t be objective.

[p.ie man]

Epstein emails being made publicly available now. As expected, an Israeli intelligence agent used to stay with epstein while in New York.