IMMIGRATION OUT OF CONTROL

[ceannairceach]

Some are mathematicians

Some are carpenters’ wives

Don’t know how it all got started

I don’t know what they’re doin’ with their lives

The only way you could miss the point more is if you both got on buses going in opposite directions.

Sure, an expert in applied mathematics is coming over on a dinghy …

[Bubblypop]

If Ireland had the same policy as Australia then Riad Bouchaker wouldn’t have been able to stab anyone on a busy Dublin street and there would never have been riots outside of city west.

Article 31 prohibits penalizing but does not prohibit detention. So no, detention until you identify the person is not penalizing them.

Detention is allowed only for legitimate reasons, like:

• Verifying identity or nationality
• Processing asylum claims
• Protecting public order or national security

Typical bullshit from people that know better trying to fool you to follow their agenda. They know the ins and outs of this and are intentionally blurring the lines.

Who is? Noone said it prohibited detention.
Australia are subject to the same asylum law as everyone else.
Don't know why you think there would be no protests, the protests were just scumbag little scrotes out to cause trouble, same as Dublin city center last year.
Scrotes gonna scrote.

[marhay70]

Factually incorrect, as anyone who knows immgrants in their workplace could easily attest. That line of chat is just racism pure and simple.

You are deliberately misinterpreting my post. Just as I don't have a problem with Irish people taking the legal route into Australia, I don't have a problem with foreigners taking the legal route into Ireland. If they arrive here with a visa, a qualification and a job offer, I won't object. But we both know that's not who I'm talking about, so less of the BS.

[Bubblypop]

You are deliberately misinterpreting my post. Just as I don't have a problem with Irish people taking the legal route into Australia, I don't have a problem with foreigners taking the legal route into Ireland. If they arrive here with a visa, a qualification and a job offer, I won't object. But we both know that's not who I'm talking about, so less of the BS.

Who are you taking about?

[Jequ0n]

Too true, they’re the same fools who will condemn protests against a man who sexually assaulted a 10 year old vulnerable child yet will have sympathy for the attacker as “he is seeking our protection”.

To be fair it begs the question how and why the child was accessible to the man in the first place. Not to sound cynical but it it hasn’t been him it would have been someone else. These kids are like sitting ducks

[Pantaloon Jeopardy]

Who are you taking about?

@marhay70 may need reminding that the legal route includes entry for asylum purposes.

[Jequ0n]

@marhay70 may need reminding that the legal route includes entry for asylum purposes.

Most people have no issue with genuine asylum requests, but they get drowned in the amount of bullshit ones, including the idiots in the boats.

[Bubblypop]

Most people have no issue with genuine asylum requests, but they get drowned in the amount of bullshit ones, including the idiots in the boats.

Idiots in boats? How do you expect people seekers asylum to travel? Business class flights?

[Jequ0n]

Idiots in boats? How do you expect people seekers asylum to travel? Business class flights?

I expect them to seek asylum in the first safe country they land in, and to be distributed onwards once found eligible.

I do not expect them to travel to the country of their choice, or to attempt the same ruse in country after country after having their claims rejected.

It’s frankly ridiculous and if it was up to me they’d be drowned at sea just to stop this insanity but that probably wouldn’t go down too well (yet).

[Bubblypop]

I expect them to seek asylum in the first safe country they land in, and to be distributed onwards once found eligible.

I do not expect them to travel to the country of their choice, or to attempt the same ruse in country after country after having their claims rejected.

It’s frankly ridiculous and if it was up to me they’d be drowned at sea just to stop this insanity but that probably wouldn’t go down too well (yet).

And yet, so wrong. The eurodac system is in place for that very reason. They don't need to claim in 'the first country ' and they cant claim in country after country.

[Headshot]

I expect them to seek asylum in the first safe country they land in, and to be distributed onwards once found eligible.

I do not expect them to travel to the country of their choice, or to attempt the same ruse in country after country after having their claims rejected.

It’s frankly ridiculous and if it was up to me they’d be drowned at sea just to stop this insanity but that probably wouldn’t go down too well (yet).

It's benefit shopping, looking for the best country where they believe they have a chance to be granted asylum and given lovely benefits

They're parasites at the end of the day

These NGOs that assist these people crossing oceans should be criminalised, they are enabling this blight on the Europe

[Pantaloon Jeopardy]

It's astonishing how little the far right actually understand international laws and treaties, and believe their own preferences and prejudices should take precedent.

The proposal to drown asylum seekers at sea is just disgusting, and i hope it was intended as a tasteless joke. The amount of nastiness underneath it has no place in a human being, otherwise.

[Pantaloon Jeopardy]

It's benefit shopping, looking for the best country where they believe they have a chance to be granted asylum and given lovely benefits

They're parasites at the end of the day

These NGOs that assist these people crossing oceans should be criminalised, they are enabling this blight on the Europe

I'm not looking to upset or annoy the staff here, but posts like this are exactly why the far right should have been stamped on like roaches years ago. Have you no humanity?

[Jequ0n]

And yet, so wrong. The eurodac system is in place for that very reason. They don't need to claim in 'the first country ' and they cant claim in country after country.

Only as long as someone plays by the rules.

Even the most gullible person ought to wonder how anyone makes it all through Europe to pass the final water barrier illegally whilst paying thousands.
I stand by what I said and these are not people who are genuinely seeking refuge, which is why France lets them leave freely.

[Quato]

I'm not looking to upset or annoy the staff here, but posts like this are exactly why the far right should have been stamped on like roaches years ago. Have you no humanity?

The only good fascist is a dead fascist!

[Jequ0n]

It's astonishing how little the far right actually understand international laws and treaties, and believe their own preferences and prejudices should take precedent.

The proposal to drown asylum seekers at sea is just disgusting, and i hope it was intended as a tasteless joke. The amount of nastiness underneath it has no place in a human being, otherwise.

I’m every bit as humans as you are, just more reasonable.

[Headshot]

Only as long as someone plays by the rules.

Even the most gullible person ought to wonder how anyone makes it all through Europe to pass the final water barrier illegally whilst paying thousands.
I stand by what I said and these are not people who are genuinely seeking refuge, which is why France lets them leave freely.

There's a reason why France will never get into the water and stop the boats, no one wants these people clogging up social welfare, clogging up services etc etc

They're just not legitimate AS hell in the UK the illegals argue that France isnt a save country which gave me a good chuckle

The French just wave good bye and love seeing the back of them

[Headshot]

I expect them to seek asylum in the first safe country they land in, and to be distributed onwards once found eligible.

I do not expect them to travel to the country of their choice, or to attempt the same ruse in country after country after having their claims rejected.

It’s frankly ridiculous and if it was up to me they’d be drowned at sea just to stop this insanity but that probably wouldn’t go down too well (yet).

Just want to add to this again

Like you I no longer have compassion for these deaths at sea because it's their choice, they've spent thousands and thousands to cross the sea, these people are not legitimate AS, far from it, they're economic migrates

The NGOs at sea are just making everything worse and providing that pull factor where these illegals know by in large they can cross the sea and if something happens the NGOs will save them

Tomorrow if this was stopped you watch the numbers drop

[Jequ0n]

There's a reason why France will never get into the water and stop the boats, no one wants these people clogging up social welfare, clogging up services etc etc

They're just not legitimate AS hell in the UK the illegals argue that France isnt a save country which gave me a good chuckle

The French just wave good bye and love seeing the back of them

Of course France won’t stop this. We have seen this type of arrivals for decades and are glad to pass it on. Although it was fun sometimes too but it’s not worth the hassle. And it’s not even comparable to the small boat arrivals in the uk.

[Headshot]

As a country we are beyond a joke, our justice system is beyond a joke, we have no borders what so ever

As a country we are very very broken

[SuirView]

You are deliberately misinterpreting my post. Just as I don't have a problem with Irish people taking the legal route into Australia, I don't have a problem with foreigners taking the legal route into Ireland. If they arrive here with a visa, a qualification and a job offer, I won't object. But we both know that's not who I'm talking about, so less of the BS.

What should be done “if they arrive here” from the North?

[knownunknown]

What should be done “if they arrive here” from the North?

Therein lies the problem, it’s impossible to control points of entry.

[Headshot]

Therein lies the problem, it’s impossible to control points of entry.

I would have security checks run 24/7 on the roads from NI to Dublin

We cannot continue as is, we cannot continue with essentially an open border and imagine it's bad now, imagine what Nigel Farage lead government will do and the mass exodus of the illegals to Ireland

Ireland needs deterrents, this is the only way to stop this madness. These illegals should be processed outside Ireland instead of destroying local communities

You have to make it as harsh as possible and the word will spread that Ireland is no longer the land of treasure island

Even doing simple things like

No longer providing benefits
No longer allowing them to work after a certain period
No longer letting them leave on their own accord, they should be on the next plane out of the country
You commit a crime, your gone
If you dont provide documentation, you're gone

[knownunknown]

I would have security checks run 24/7 on the roads from NI to Dublin

We cannot continue as is, we cannot continue with essentially an open border and imagine it's bad now, imagine what Nigel Farage lead government will do and the mass exodus of the illegals to Ireland

Ireland needs deterrents, this is the only way to stop this madness. These illegals should be processed outside Ireland instead of destroying local communities

You have to make it as harsh as possible and the word will spread that Ireland is no longer the land of treasure island

Even doing simple things like

No longer providing benefits
No longer allowing them to work after a certain period
No longer letting them leave on their own accord, they should be on the next plane out of the country
You commit a crime, your gone
If you dont provide documentation, you're gone

Wouldn’t work though, people would just choose a different route costing them a few extra hours. You’d have to put up check points on every road through the border, which I don’t think anyone wants. Imagine for example people charging these guys for passage across the border.

[SuirView]

Therein lies the problem, it’s impossible to control points of entry.

Surely we can’t just ignore it?