Israel and Palestine

[knownunknown]

So what are the activists up to during the peace deal? We’ve already seen them marching shouting about the 48’ borders, to keep up the fight. Events still going on all over the world.

Here’s an Oxford student getting arrested for chanting “put the Zios in the ground”. It was always about attacking Israel for these people. If you cared about the civilians of Palestine you wouldn’t risk the peace deal. It’s a political cause for the destruction of Israel.

We’ve never heard them shout Hamas out, free Palestine from the jihadi, etc.. and we haven’t heard a word from any of the Hamas heads about the slaughter of Palestinians in the street by Hamas yesterday. They don’t care.
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[knownunknown]

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Inside Story ‘How will Donald Trump enforce his plan for Gaza?’

JUMP TO: 11:26 / 27:35

Muhammad Shehada, Political analyst and Visiting Fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations speaking:

.... “If you look at Trump's plan, the 20 points in there. There was an earlier version of the plan that Arab
countries tried to have their input added to it and it was way much better than the one that Trump announced.

Then Netanyahu went and sat down with Steve Witkov and Jared Kushner and edited the plan very heavily to make sure that it lives up to Israel's satisfaction and Israel's alone. And that it includes enough loopholes that would allow Israel to maintain the state of uninhabitability, in Gaza, for many years to come.

So you're seeing basically withdrawal left to the Israelis own discretion when, where, and how they would withdraw if. they withdraw in the first place. In any areas that the IDF is operating in is considered “an extermination zone”. That's the Israeli technical term, which means no civilian is allowed into reconstruction.

Trump said yesterday that it would begin immediately. There's no trace of that starting whatsoever.

You have the exact opposite. Israel literally saying today they are restricting the entry of aid into Gaza and not letting any sort of heavy machinery, bulldozers, trucks, caravans, pre-fabricated homes into Gaza whatsoever. None. zero. And you have the last element with governance in which you have this board of peace that Tony Blair designed the blueprint of. That would give Trump, Blair and other billionaires the ultimate deciding power in Gaza over the legislative, economic powers, even diplomatic representation and legal powers.

They would have the power over land distribution, over Gaza's marine field. That's why in Israel channel 12, there was an article that came out two days ago that said Kushner [Trump’s son-in-law], Larry Ellison, and other billionaires, are planning the future of Gaza as “a tax haven for billionaires”. It would be Panama number two / the Canary Islands. [13:16 / 27:35]


JUMP TO: 21:04 / 27:35

PRESENTER Nick Clark: "Muhammad. Let me bring in the Hamas side of things here because there is an onus on Hamas, isn't there, to fulfill their side of the bargain, to lay down their weapons and so forth. And that's critical, too.

Muhammad Shehada, Political analyst and Visiting Fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations speaking:

Muhammad Shehada: “Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And you are still seeing a Hamas commitment to stepping down from government and handing it over to an administrative committee. You also have a Hamas commitment to decommissioning the offensive weaponry.

“DECOMMISSIONING IS SOMETHING LIKE NORTHERN IRELAND...”

“There's a difference between disarmament and decommissioning. Disarmament is surrender, capitulation. Decommissioning is something like Northern Ireland where it entails a political process. It's gradual. It's coupled with clear time frames, milestones towards ending the Israeli occupation, or even on a more smaller scale towards the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza and allowing the Palestinian Authority to return to Gaza.[color]

There is the challenge that even if you convince Hamas's leadership in Doha to disarm or decommission, how would you convince the average militant in Gaza with a weapon to hand over that firearm to the genocidal army that just unleashed a genocide on Gaza?

That's why you have Hamas and and mediators trying to tell the Trump administration, you need the Palestinian Authority in place in Gaza for the weapons to be handed over to it. And that's the offensive weapons, which is mainly the ROCKETS that Hamas doesn't have an abundance of anymore.

If you take even Israel's own statement from a year ago, Netanyahu said Hamas lost over 90% of its rocket arsenal. So there's virtually there's none of it that's left and there's no will to use it in the first place.

But disarmament can become this elusive abstract concept that Israel would use over and over again as an excuse to stay in Gaza and refuse withdrawal. We're already seeing it with Israel Katz [Defence Minister] trying to explicitly say that they are going to let the IDF directly destroy tunnels in Gaza. Although there could be a mechanism for dismantling those tunnels. But when you have an Israeli defence minister saying our troops are going to do it directly,

Israel has been using the tunnels as an excuse. Every time they destroyed a hospital or a university or an entire residential block, they claim that there was a tunnel underneath. So, we're seeing this deja vu play all over again.
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Starry: Overall, we do need more details about when US will CUT OFF sending munitions to Israel. Is this going to be phased out over a period of time?? I don't see Trump as a saviour for the Palestinians.

Is disarmament meant to be discussed in Second Phase??

A brilliant debate, which is self explanatory...

Schrödinger’s genocide.

Millions of Palestinians are being slaughtered in a genocide and Hamas are defending Palestinians from a genocide. Both are happening at the same time.

Meanwhile back in reality Trump has told Hamas that if they don’t give up their arms and surrender they will be destroyed. Every country that recognized Palestine as a state has said Hamas cannot be involved, Britain, France, Australia. The Arab states, Israel and US all agree that Hamas can have no further part in Palestinian politics. Abbas, the leader of the PLO has said Hamas need to disarm completely.

The whole world is now against Hamas, except the woke protestors on our streets that have pretended to care about the Palestinians for two years. They have shown their true colours now.

[StarryPlough01]

Starry: OPEN RAFAH AND THE OTHER CROSSINGS, TO ALLOW UNIMPEDED DELIVERY OF HUMANITARIAN AID TO STARVING PALESTINIANS

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog ... 4-captives

UN ‘dealing with obstacles’ to get 190,000 tonnes of aid into Gaza

Senior UN officials say aid access through border crossings remains the main obstacle to allowing 190,000 metric tonnes of aid into Gaza.

“The key obstacles that we need to resolve [are] making sure that we have sufficient crossings. We have sufficient supplies. We need to just make sure that the access is facilitated,” said Samer Abdeljaber, the World Food Programme’s regional director for the Middle East, North Africa and Eastern Europe.

“We need to make sure there is law and order in Gaza to make sure that our teams can move freely, and the trucks flow inside the compound.”

UN relief chief Tom Fletcher said teams have been working in Egypt’s Sharm el-Sheikh “to get the political agreements in place … and ensure we’ve got that really strong international solidarity for what we do”.

“We’ve waited so long for this moment,” Fletcher said. “We have 190,000 metric tonnes on the borders, and we’re trying to get those borders open. But we’re also right now dealing with obstacles that we face.”

[StarryPlough01]

Starry: DURING THE CEASEFIRE

Trump approved Hamas deploying 7,000 members of its internal security forces in areas the IDF have withdrawn from in Gaza...

And, "Hamas has appointed 5 new governors without political background. They have experience in Hamas’ armed wing, including Al Qassam Brigades Commanders"

‘Hamas reportedly arrested 17 wanted individuals of Israeli-backed militia’


‘Trump suggests Hamas has approval for internal security operations in Gaza’
By Reuters, October 13, 2025
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 025-10-13/

Oct 13 (Reuters) - "U.S. President Donald Trump suggested Hamas had been given a greenlight for internal security operations it is conducting in the Gaza Strip, saying the group wants "to stop the problems" and "we gave them approval for a period of time".

"The Palestinian militant group, which must disarm and end its rule of Gaza under Trump's proposal for ending the war, has deployed internal security forces in parts of the Gaza Strip since a ceasefire came into effect on Friday, saying it aims to stop lawlessness and looting and prevent a security vacuum.

"Asked by a journalist aboard Air Force One about reports that Hamas was instituting itself as a police force and shooting rivals, Trump said "they do want to stop the problems, and they've been open about it, and we gave them approval for a period of time".

"You have close to 2 million people going back to buildings that have been demolished, and a lot of bad things can happen. So we want it to be - we want it to be safe. I think it's going to be fine. Who knows for sure," Trump said.




Times Of India ‘Hamas Is Back: 7000 Fighters Deployed To Cleanse Gaza Of Israeli 'Traitors,' 17 'Held' Post-IDF Exit’
Oct 12, 2025 #GazaCeasefire #HamasMobilisation #IDFWithdrawal

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

ANF, I wouldn’t spend time replying to manipulative users on social media. For example, no rational person would agree that Hamas can summarily execute Palestinians in the street - without a fair trial... (no legal representation, right to question witnesses / accusers, etc).

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I first came across your posts during the GE2020, and was impressed with your restrained contributions to dissenting viewpoints. I noted before registering here on Gubu.ie, that the trolls will ignore your inconvenient truths, and try to control the narrative by usual deflecting tactics (trying to create doubt, etc). You do have a great intellect.

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Thank you Starry for the compliment. I have always thought very highly of your activism and enlightening contributions on politics.ie over the years.

I understand perfectly well the futility of arguing with accounts ran by propagandists, trolls, potentially paid actors, bot accounts or otherwise from my time on politics.ie. The former Israel/Palestine endgame thread on the now defunct politics.ie was testament to this notion that modern social media is rife with propaganda and disingenuous accounts trying to create false narratives or consensus among the population of even countries like Ireland that are geographically very distant from the Gazan genocide.

I remember starting posting regularly around the time of the second ceasefire around March or April of this year on that site with a particular focus on that Israel Palestine thread because I could no longer stomach 'lurking' on that thread after seeing the efforts of some individuals there to challenge the idea of there was no famine or no genocide in Gaza. Posters like Dame Enda, LumpyTalbot, Roman emperor, GolahveNekhar AhNowStop and many others were all very well informed posters on the subject. It was utterly caustic how bitter the discourse became on that thread, the personal attacks, the slander etc and there was almost zero moderation on politics.ie, leading to that caustic atmosphere. The accounts like R'OC, Telstar and Yanshuf were the main culprits in defence of the indefensible.

This is just my opinion now, but there were mods actively dealing with the racist trolls on other zoo threads on politics.ie, but what I cannot understand is how a few very evidently dangerous posters were allowed on that Israel Palestine endgame thread to even refer to personal health issues and the location of some posters on certain days of the week and make quite insidious remarks about them (almost like a personal threat of harm or we know where you live) and there was no punishment or sanction from the moderators on those kinds of posts. Thankfully, for me the GUBU site has been much better in it's moderation efforts and policies.

For example, one of the great defenders on politics.ie and promoters of open debate was Dame Enda. That poster was on the receiving end of some vicious and insidious slander by some of the propagandist accounts, and I suspect the Dame was regularly targeted for particularly special abuse by the pro Israeli troll/propagandist/bot accounts because of their persistent and continuous efforts to spread genuine and objective information as to the reality of the genocide and famine ongoing in Gaza, but at that time it was still not officially declared by the UN. Characters like that are what inspired me to keep going and keep challenging the trolls, bots and propagandists.

I think by the end, before politics.ie met it's demise in early August, there were about 3 or 4 accounts left there on that thread that were really obvious in their bias and propaganda efforts on the conflict in Gaza.
I think I have seen enough Pat Condell videos to last several lifetimes and may I never see a link to his Hasbara bollix YouTube page again. Most other genuine posters on politics.ie had dropped off or gotten an element of cold feet in there previously strong support for Israel. Why? The efforts of the posters I mentioned above to highlight the nature and brutality of a genocide and famine being persecuted against the Palestinian people made it almost impossible for any sane human being to be in support of the war criminals running Israel down that sick path.

That's why I'm here now buried in this thread again. The trolls, bots and propagandists are wasting our time, so I'll waste theirs and try my best to pull people away from their web of lies. Most people on social media are lurkers like I was, so we have got to make sure they get a clear picture of reality not a snapshot. My efforts are a very tiny sacrifice of time. Nothing really, when you compare my pitiful efforts to the endless physical, mental and emotional sacrifices that Palestinians have endured in Gaza for two years now.

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

Well who would have thought it? We could never have seen it coming. The genocidal Zionist maniacs running Israel who broke two ceasefires to continue mass murder now seem like they wish to break a third ceasefire on a flimsy pretext and continue the mass murder and genocide.

Already several Palestinians have been shot by the IDF since this ceasefire began as they began returning home to Gaza City and northern Gaza. There is a claim made by an international humanitarian watchdog, Break the Silence, that this is because of invisible lines on the ground that should they step one side of this line then the IDF can indiscriminately shoot or perhaps even summarily execute Palestinian civilians, when staying on the other side of the line they're still safe in Gazan territory. This is similar to claims made about how the GHF operated while distributing food, civilians would be indiscriminately shot in some areas but left unmolested in others.These are war crimes as how could any person could justify shooting innocent civilians and refugees for walking around an area of no strategic value or seeking aid when they're absolutely no threat to heavily armed IDF soldiers is beyond me or most rational people. Yet the IDF soldiers seem almost have been ordered to follow a 'shoot to kill' policy in some circumstances, one that targets Hamas fighters or Palestinian civilians as almost the exact same.

For a start, how would the civilians know where these invisible battle lines on the ground are in a place like Gaza utterly devoid of landmarks or when they're in a 'danger' zone as I would suspect the IDF probably never issues warnings beforehand anyway and just shoots indiscriminately. What kind of sick puppies in the upper echelons of the IDF are issuing or tolerating such orders that are obviously war crimes. I thought these Israeli soldiers would have been schooled on Mossad capturing and then Israel trying the Nazi genocidal war criminal Adolf Eichmann in Jerusalem. Surely they all learned about the Eichmann defence of "I was just following orders", and how that still saw him hanged in Ramla prison by the Israeli's almost 20 years after the fact that he had served as a key bureaucrat in facilitating the final solution by the Nazi's genocidal regime. These IDF soldiers should remember they do not have to carry out orders forcing them to commit war crimes and genocide.

https://aje.io/8qjln5?update=4038690

On the other front the Israeli's are doing the usually Janus-faced tomfoolery. Schroedinger's Zionists. On the one hand, you have them putting pressure on to start up the conflict and genocide over dead bodies not yet released or found by Hamas. I'd almost guarantee it's Hamas haven't found them because if they gave up the living hostages, there's no value whatsoever in keeping the dead ones. That flimsy pretext already led to a halving of the at least 600 aid trucks needed into Gaza every day as a collective punishment of the Palestinian people. Beyond the fact they always have had and will have an obligation to protect and look after the captive Palestinian population under their occupation, which Israel never did from the beginning of the conflict, we now have them desperately trying to get the Gazan meat grinder going again.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/10/15/poli ... srael-gaza



On the other hand, Schroedinger's Zionists wants to use the ceasefire before it may break down due to their own two-faced genocidal agenda, to try to end the barest of bare punishments on them by the likes of Ze Germans who put a partial arms embargo on them last month. You had the Israeli deputy foreign minister saying today that she 'expected' such a puny embargo to be lifted and relations to be normalised with the Zionist government of Israel. If Ze Germans have any brain cells, they'd do the exact opposite and increase the arms embargo to a full one and boycott, divest and sanction Israel as much as possible to put maximum pressure on Schroedinger's Zionists and end any attempts by them to start up the genocide or ethnic cleansing again in Gaza again.

https://aje.io/8qjln5?update=4038654

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

Starry: DURING THE CEASEFIRE

Trump approved Hamas deploying 7,000 members of its internal security forces in areas the IDF have withdrawn from in Gaza...

And, "Hamas has appointed 5 new governors without political background. They have experience in Hamas’ armed wing, including Al Qassam Brigades Commanders"

‘Hamas reportedly arrested 17 wanted individuals of Israeli-backed militia’


‘Trump suggests Hamas has approval for internal security operations in Gaza’
By Reuters, October 13, 2025
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 025-10-13/

Oct 13 (Reuters) - "U.S. President Donald Trump suggested Hamas had been given a greenlight for internal security operations it is conducting in the Gaza Strip, saying the group wants "to stop the problems" and "we gave them approval for a period of time".

"The Palestinian militant group, which must disarm and end its rule of Gaza under Trump's proposal for ending the war, has deployed internal security forces in parts of the Gaza Strip since a ceasefire came into effect on Friday, saying it aims to stop lawlessness and looting and prevent a security vacuum.

"Asked by a journalist aboard Air Force One about reports that Hamas was instituting itself as a police force and shooting rivals, Trump said "they do want to stop the problems, and they've been open about it, and we gave them approval for a period of time".

"You have close to 2 million people going back to buildings that have been demolished, and a lot of bad things can happen. So we want it to be - we want it to be safe. I think it's going to be fine. Who knows for sure," Trump said.




Times Of India ‘Hamas Is Back: 7000 Fighters Deployed To Cleanse Gaza Of Israeli 'Traitors,' 17 'Held' Post-IDF Exit’
Oct 12, 2025 #GazaCeasefire #HamasMobilisation #IDFWithdrawal

The Yanks voted in a geriatric bi-polar malignant narcissist with a mouth like a yawning hippo into the Oval Office and the results speak for themselves. The fate of two million Gazans depends on that kind of individual's mood swings.

Orwellian nightmares are supposed to have cold brutal calculating leaders, not a grifting babbling moron who spends most of his days as the Yank President scratching his rocks walking around his own golf course in Florida.

https://didtrumpgolftoday.com/

[ceannairceach]

Trump could play fcking strip poker with Satan for all I care.

He’s delivered peace or at least the promise of it.

But then you need a violent bunch of idiots and Hamas, who they support to play ball.

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

Hammer, nail, head. Aaron Maté demonstrates exactly why this 'peace' framework is a waste of time. There can be no peace so long as Israel is led by Zionists who keep trying to steal more Palestinian land and keep using apartheid and the most brutal and ruthless tactics to oppress and eject the Palestinian population who simply do not want to go from their land.

Until an Israeli leader stands up and recognises there has to be a Palestinian state, and that Israel has set borders, there can be no beginning of an end to the conflict that's been going on since the early 1920's when the Brits decided let's allow every Jewish Tom, Dick and Harry into Palestine and created this absolute ethno-religious disaster.

https://youtube.com/shorts/1_eOSJ717Lk? ... H3lFyxXuWf

[ceannairceach]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... sages.html

Yeah I imagine certain posters will be cheering now.

[ceannairceach]

Schrödinger’s genocide.

Millions of Palestinians are being slaughtered in a genocide and Hamas are defending Palestinians from a genocide. Both are happening at the same time.

Meanwhile back in reality Trump has told Hamas that if they don’t give up their arms and surrender they will be destroyed. Every country that recognized Palestine as a state has said Hamas cannot be involved, Britain, France, Australia. The Arab states, Israel and US all agree that Hamas can have no further part in Palestinian politics. Abbas, the leader of the PLO has said Hamas need to disarm completely.

The whole world is now against Hamas, except the woke protestors on our streets that have pretended to care about the Palestinians for two years. They have shown their true colours now.

Not the whole world … “let’s bring in the Hamas side …” no “Mohammed” (natch .) lets fcking not.

[knownunknown]

Trump has said “ If Hamas continues to kill people in Gaza, which was not the Deal, we will have no choice but to go in and kill them”.

With no hostages now it will be a lot easier to wipe them out very quickly. I hope Hamas see sense, abide by the agreement and stop killing people in the streets.

[ceannairceach]

Trump has said “ If Hamas continues to kill people in Gaza, which was not the Deal, we will have no choice but to go in and kill them”.

With no hostages now it will be a lot easier to wipe them out very quickly. I hope Hamas see sense, abide by the agreement and stop killing people in the streets.

They’re nothing but miserable craven cowards so destroying them hopefully easy as they scuttle back to their holes.

[ceannairceach]

Solidarity. Birminghamstan is hopelessly captured.

[knownunknown]

Solidarity. Birminghamstan is hopelessly captured.

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

Trump has said “ If Hamas continues to kill people in Gaza, which was not the Deal, we will have no choice but to go in and kill them”.

With no hostages now it will be a lot easier to wipe them out very quickly. I hope Hamas see sense, abide by the agreement and stop killing people in the streets.

Wow lovely balance there. Meanwhile, the IDF continues brutally gunning down Palestinian civilians everyday and not a word about that. I hope the Zionists see sense and stop acting like the genocidal ethno-religious supremacist maniacs that they are, but that's like hoping for the tide to stop coming in. From Al Jazeera:

A far-right Israeli group, Tsav 9, is blocking trucks from carrying humanitarian aid to Gaza at the Karem Abu Salem (Kerem Shalom) crossing.

The group, in a post on X, said its members were “currently obstructing the passage of aid trucks” at multiple points en route to the crossing, which is controlled by Israel.

The group claimed that “Hamas violates the agreement and refuses to return hostages, so aid that enables them to rebuild must be halted,” adding: “No aid truck will pass until the last dead is returned.”

The Israeli extremist group posted a video showing its members blocking an aid truck from passing.

Tsav 9 repeatedly disrupted aid deliveries to Gaza during the Israeli genocide by blocking roads leading to crossings, staging protests, and in some cases, looting or damaging aid shipments, according to The Times of Israel.

Hamas has released 20 living Israeli captives and handed over the remains of 10 more captives in exchange for nearly 2,000 Palestinian prisoners under the ceasefire agreement. The Palestinian group has said it is working to recover the remaining bodies of Israeli captives.

https://aje.io/q8tde2?update=4041384

On top of that you have the Israeli government deliberately breaching the terms of the ceasefire and trying to withhold aid from the Gazan population yet again. They still have not opened up the border crossings properly since the ceasefire came into effect. The claim being they're withholding it as punishment until they find the rest of the dead Israelis. Not likely when they're probably buried under hundreds of tons of rubble. Then Turkey says they'll help send in search and rescue teams and special investigators to help find the bodies. Of course, that doesn't fly with the Zionist loons in the Israeli government. I wonder why? Anyone care to fill us in on that one?

https://aje.io/q8tde2?update=4040838

Meanwhile, the Israeli air forces are pounding southern Lebanon despite the 'supposed' ceasefire there. It's a wonderful little world we live in isn't it? The most unstable rogue nation on Earth and everyone else has to just sit back and watch them, else we might upset the bipolar orange turnip in the White House. Marvelous, isn't it?

[ceannairceach]

2000 violent criminals for 20 innocent men and the remains of 10 more. fecking joke.

[AnFearRéabhlóideach]

2000 violent criminals for 20 innocent men and the remains of 10 more. fecking joke.

Nice lie. Openly flaunting bigotry and hatred for innocent people is not generally a good look, unless that's exactly the look someone's trying to go for. 1,700 of the Palestinians had been simply lifted from Gaza without reason or charge by Israeli forces and then thrown in Israeli torture dungeons, to be used as bargaining chips later.

The other 300, we're a mixture of ex-militants on long sentences and political prisoners locked up for decades. Then Israel only allowed 150 odd of those individuals out on the pretext that they immediately went into exile and left Gaza.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2025 ... aza-summit

The treatment of those Palestinian prisoners was beyond brutal too. Inhuman savagery is what they faced under Israeli sadists. A rogue state where human rights mean absolutely nothing if you are unfortunate enough to be Palestinian or non-Jewish. This testimony below of what one Palestinian prisoner suffered at the hands of those sick freaks is not for the faint of heart really.

https://youtube.com/shorts/IcrF9d8rnJA? ... 47D4kurGHJ

[StarryPlough01]

Thank you Starry for the compliment. I have always thought very highly of your activism and enlightening contributions on politics.ie over the years.

I understand perfectly well the futility of arguing with accounts ran by propagandists, trolls, potentially paid actors, bot accounts or otherwise from my time on politics.ie. The former Israel/Palestine endgame thread on the now defunct politics.ie was testament to this notion that modern social media is rife with propaganda and disingenuous accounts trying to create false narratives or consensus among the population of even countries like Ireland that are geographically very distant from the Gazan genocide.

I remember starting posting regularly around the time of the second ceasefire around March or April of this year on that site with a particular focus on that Israel Palestine thread because I could no longer stomach 'lurking' on that thread after seeing the efforts of some individuals there to challenge the idea of there was no famine or no genocide in Gaza. Posters like Dame Enda, LumpyTalbot, Roman emperor, GolahveNekhar AhNowStop and many others were all very well informed posters on the subject. It was utterly caustic how bitter the discourse became on that thread, the personal attacks, the slander etc and there was almost zero moderation on politics.ie, leading to that caustic atmosphere. The accounts like R'OC, Telstar and Yanshuf were the main culprits in defence of the indefensible.

This is just my opinion now, but there were mods actively dealing with the racist trolls on other zoo threads on politics.ie, but what I cannot understand is how a few very evidently dangerous posters were allowed on that Israel Palestine endgame thread to even refer to personal health issues and the location of some posters on certain days of the week and make quite insidious remarks about them (almost like a personal threat of harm or we know where you live) and there was no punishment or sanction from the moderators on those kinds of posts. Thankfully, for me the GUBU site has been much better in it's moderation efforts and policies.

For example, one of the great defenders on politics.ie and promoters of open debate was Dame Enda. That poster was on the receiving end of some vicious and insidious slander by some of the propagandist accounts, and I suspect the Dame was regularly targeted for particularly special abuse by the pro Israeli troll/propagandist/bot accounts because of their persistent and continuous efforts to spread genuine and objective information as to the reality of the genocide and famine ongoing in Gaza, but at that time it was still not officially declared by the UN. Characters like that are what inspired me to keep going and keep challenging the trolls, bots and propagandists.

I think by the end, before politics.ie met it's demise in early August, there were about 3 or 4 accounts left there on that thread that were really obvious in their bias and propaganda efforts on the conflict in Gaza.

I think I have seen enough Pat Condell videos to last several lifetimes and may I never see a link to his Hasbara bollix YouTube page again. Most other genuine posters on politics.ie had dropped off or gotten an element of cold feet in there previously strong support for Israel. Why? The efforts of the posters I mentioned above to highlight the nature and brutality of a genocide and famine being persecuted against the Palestinian people made it almost impossible for any sane human being to be in support of the war criminals running Israel down that sick path.

That's why I'm here now buried in this thread again. The trolls, bots and propagandists are wasting our time, so I'll waste theirs and try my best to pull people away from their web of lies. Most people on social media are lurkers like I was, so we have got to make sure they get a clear picture of reality not a snapshot. My efforts are a very tiny sacrifice of time. Nothing really, when you compare my pitiful efforts to the endless physical, mental and emotional sacrifices that Palestinians have endured in Gaza for two years now.

Starry: In Truth, I felt that politics.ie was an experiment for the mods to behave like prison guards (with the exception of the mods' snitches).

Have you heard of the Stanford Prison Experiment (SPE) ?

It might not be the case that there was something wrong with the SPE, but the fact that people don’t want to accept the findings. I think this can dovetail with moderation on social media, not current Gubu.ie moderation, as you stated.

I disagree with a statement in below 'simply psychology' link: “Even good, normal people can do evil things when situational forces push them in that direction.”

ANF, It’s not so black and white that good people do evil things. I think people do evil, because they have evil within them. They also have good. In different measures.

There was also an excuse as to why they could not freely withdraw from SPE, citing the experiment’s immersive nature made it psychologically difficult for them. What nonsense. It was role play.
https://www.simplypsychology.org/zimbardo.html

“Results: Men assigned as guards began behaving sadistically, inflicting humiliation and suffering on the prisoners. Prisoners became blindly obedient and allowed themselves to be dehumanized [E.G., Politicis.ie sycophants).

“The experiment had to be terminated after only 6 days due to the extreme, pathological behavior emerging in both groups.


https://www.britannica.com/event/Stanfo ... Experiment

“The Stanford Prison Experiment was a social psychology study in which college students became prisoners or guards in a simulated prison environment. The experiment, funded by the U.S. Office of Naval Research, took place at Stanford University in August 1971. It was intended to measure the effect of role-playing, labeling, and social expectations on behavior over a period of two weeks. However, mistreatment of prisoners escalated so alarmingly that the principal investigator, the American psychologist Philip G. Zimbardo, terminated the experiment after only six days.

“On only the second day the prisoners staged a rebellion that was put down by the guards. Guards then worked out a system of rewards and punishments to manage the prisoners. Within the first four days, three prisoners had become so traumatized that they were released. Over the course of the experiment, some of the guards became cruel and tyrannical, and a number of the prisoners became depressed and disoriented. However, only after an outside observer came upon the scene and registered shock did Zimbardo end the experiment, less than a week after it had started.

“Despite its early termination, the experiment seemed to show that the regular attitudes and behavior of normal persons could be dramatically altered by the social situations in which they find themselves. Zimbardo himself claimed that the experiment’s “social forces and environmental contingencies” had led the guards to behave badly. ....

^ Read on ^

It might not be the case that there was something wrong with the experiment, but the fact that people don’t want to accept the findings.

I reiterate: I think this can dovetail with moderation on social media, not current Gubu.ie moderation as you stated. I haven’t had any problems with this site.

We will be seeing a lot of revisionist history on the Palestinian Holocaust. Who owns the media?

Edit: sp Gubu

[ceannairceach]

A 12 year old Jewish boy says he wants to live in a world where Hamas no longer pose a threat.

https://x.com/eyakoby/status/1979260958695453018?s=46

He is visited by counter terrorism police and thought of as being “at risk of radicalisation”.

Meanwhile hate preachers openly call for action, violence against everyone not their pathetic little cult and nothing happens.

Pathetic.

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What Palestinian Holocaust

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Oh jesus, they're still at it.

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[StarryPlough01]

‘Israel kills 11 Palestinian family members in Gaza’s deadliest truce breach’

‘Strike on civilian vehicle by Israeli military in Gaza City marks deadliest violation of eight-day ceasefire with Hamas.’

By Al Jazeera Staff, 18 Oct 2025

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/10/ ... uce-breach

“Israeli forces have killed 11 members of a Palestinian family in Gaza, the deadliest single violation of the fragile ceasefire since it took effect eight days ago.

The attack happened on Friday evening when a tank shell was fired by Israeli forces at a civilian vehicle carrying the Abu Shaaban family in the Zeitoun neighbourhood of Gaza City, according to Gaza’s civil defence.

Seven children and three women were among those killed when the Israeli military fired on the vehicle as the family attempted to reach their home to inspect it, civil defence spokesperson Mahmoud Basal said in a statement.

“They could have been warned or dealt with differently,” Basal said, adding that “what happened confirms that the occupation is still thirsty for blood, and insists on committing crimes against innocent civilians.”
[...]

“Israeli Defence Minister Israel Katz has said that the yellow lines in Gaza will be soon marked out for clarity.


Starry: The family should have been able to see the INVISIBLE YELLOW LINE ??


Haaretz: ‘It's a Killing Field': IDF Soldiers Ordered to Shoot Deliberately at Unarmed Gazans Waiting for Humanitarian Aid

‘IDF officers and soldiers told Haaretz they were ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near food distribution sites in Gaza, even when no threat was present. Hundreds of Palestinians have been killed, prompting the military prosecution to call for a review into possible war crimes
Netanyahu, Katz reject claims, call them 'blood libels’

BY Nir Hasson, Yaniv Kubovich,and Bar Peleg, Jun 27, 2025
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/202 ... be33780000

“Israeli soldiers in Gaza told Haaretz that the army has deliberately fired at Palestinians near aid distribution sites over the past month.


‘Israeli defence minister’s Gaza proposal marks escalation from incitement of war crimes to official planning for mass forced displacement’

‘Plans for an internment camp on ruins of Rafah are ‘unviable, impractical and morally depraved’ but should be taken seriously’
Emma Graham-Harrison, Wed 9 Jul 2025,
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... reservists


“Defence minister Israel Katz’s plans for an internment camp on the ruins of Rafah mark an escalation beyond incitement to war crimes, already a mainstay of Israel’s political discourse, to operational planning for mass forced displacement.

“Israeli lawmakers including cabinet ministers have repeatedly called for the “cleansing” of Gaza, in the wake of Hamas’s cross-border attacks on 7 October, backing the forced deportation of Palestinians to other countries and new Israeli settlements in the territory.

“However, Katz was the first senior cabinet member to lay out, in a briefing on Monday to Israeli media, measures to implement the displacement of Palestinians from most of Gaza. He said he had given orders to plan a “humanitarian city”, to hold Palestinians who would not be allowed to leave.

“Some would be moved to other countries, Katz said. Israeli officials describe this as “VOLUNTARY” departure but the conditions in Gaza mean no displacement inside the territory or departure from it can be seen as consensual in legal terms, human rights lawyers say.

“Michael Sfard, one of Israel’s leading human rights lawyers, said: “This is not an expression of opinion or desire. Katz ordered the army to prepare. It has more meaning, because this guy holds the administrative power to actually do it.”

[ceannairceach]

‘Israel kills 11 Palestinian family members in Gaza’s deadliest truce breach’

‘Strike on civilian vehicle by Israeli military in Gaza City marks deadliest violation of eight-day ceasefire with Hamas.’

By Al Jazeera Staff, 18 Oct 2025

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/10/ ... uce-breach

“Israeli forces have killed 11 members of a Palestinian family in Gaza, the deadliest single violation of the fragile ceasefire since it took effect eight days ago.

The attack happened on Friday evening when a tank shell was fired by Israeli forces at a civilian vehicle carrying the Abu Shaaban family in the Zeitoun neighbourhood of Gaza City, according to Gaza’s civil defence.

Seven children and three women were among those killed when the Israeli military fired on the vehicle as the family attempted to reach their home to inspect it, civil defence spokesperson Mahmoud Basal said in a statement.

“They could have been warned or dealt with differently,” Basal said, adding that “what happened confirms that the occupation is still thirsty for blood, and insists on committing crimes against innocent civilians.”
[...]

“Israeli Defence Minister Israel Katz has said that the yellow lines in Gaza will be soon marked out for clarity.


Starry: The family should have been able to see the INVISIBLE YELLOW LINE ??


Haaretz: ‘It's a Killing Field': IDF Soldiers Ordered to Shoot Deliberately at Unarmed Gazans Waiting for Humanitarian Aid

‘IDF officers and soldiers told Haaretz they were ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near food distribution sites in Gaza, even when no threat was present. Hundreds of Palestinians have been killed, prompting the military prosecution to call for a review into possible war crimes
Netanyahu, Katz reject claims, call them 'blood libels’

BY Nir Hasson, Yaniv Kubovich,and Bar Peleg, Jun 27, 2025
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/202 ... be33780000

“Israeli soldiers in Gaza told Haaretz that the army has deliberately fired at Palestinians near aid distribution sites over the past month.


‘Israeli defence minister’s Gaza proposal marks escalation from incitement of war crimes to official planning for mass forced displacement’

‘Plans for an internment camp on ruins of Rafah are ‘unviable, impractical and morally depraved’ but should be taken seriously’
Emma Graham-Harrison, Wed 9 Jul 2025,
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... reservists


“Defence minister Israel Katz’s plans for an internment camp on the ruins of Rafah mark an escalation beyond incitement to war crimes, already a mainstay of Israel’s political discourse, to operational planning for mass forced displacement.

“Israeli lawmakers including cabinet ministers have repeatedly called for the “cleansing” of Gaza, in the wake of Hamas’s cross-border attacks on 7 October, backing the forced deportation of Palestinians to other countries and new Israeli settlements in the territory.

“However, Katz was the first senior cabinet member to lay out, in a briefing on Monday to Israeli media, measures to implement the displacement of Palestinians from most of Gaza. He said he had given orders to plan a “humanitarian city”, to hold Palestinians who would not be allowed to leave.

“Some would be moved to other countries, Katz said. Israeli officials describe this as “VOLUNTARY” departure but the conditions in Gaza mean no displacement inside the territory or departure from it can be seen as consensual in legal terms, human rights lawyers say.

“Michael Sfard, one of Israel’s leading human rights lawyers, said: “This is not an expression of opinion or desire. Katz ordered the army to prepare. It has more meaning, because this guy holds the administrative power to actually do it.”

There’s the view from Jihadi One Eyed Jack …