Birmingham bans Tel Aviv Supporters

[Jequ0n]

That’s absolute nonsense and you know it.

This is bowing to their Islamist masters and giving them what they want. Sickening.

With all due respect, you seem to be looking for signs antisemitism everywhere you look.
Events like these get cancelled or restrictions issued if there is reason to believe that it might cause unrest or a danger to the public. Would you rather the event went ahead and a lunatic bombed the place?

[p.ie man]

Given the circumstances, banning the Israeli supporters is the sensible thing to do. Feelings are running high because of recent events in Gaza.

[Jequ0n]

The police should do their job, no police force has better experience with dealing with this type of stuff.
You don’t cancel events just because people say they are going to attack, you increase security.

Just imagine the precedent this sets, imagine what rival fans would do if they thought their violence of threat thereof would be enough to see an away team hampered without their fans. You incentivise this sort of thing.

When there are matches where a lot of aggression and risk of violence is a possibility extra resources need to be deployed that go beyond the local police force. That’s why these types of matches sometimes get cancelled or fan travel bans issued.

Seriously, it sometimes seems that people deliberately want things to escalate so it can add fuel to their viewpoint. Would you really want to send the Tel Aviv fans to this place right now?

[ceannairceach]

Given the circumstances, banning the Israeli supporters is the sensible thing to do. Feelings are running high because of recent events in Gaza.

Quite frankly screw Gaza.

[ceannairceach]

When there are matches where a lot of aggression and risk of violence is a possibility extra resources need to be deployed that go beyond the local police force. That’s why these types of matches sometimes get cancelled or fan travel bans issued.

Seriously, it sometimes seems that people deliberately want things to escalate so it can add fuel to their viewpoint. Would you really want to send the Tel Aviv fans to this place right now?

You and the deliberately dense one are saying this a lot - can we have just one link where ALL visiting away fans were banned from a European tournament when the club has had no hooliganism or other issues in the past ?

One will do.

[Bubblypop]

Quite frankly screw Gaza.

Grand.
And screw the travelling Israeli supporters who are at risk?

[Bubblypop]

Next week's Uefa Champions League fixtures include two ties - Napoli's home game with Frankfurt and Ajax's visit to Marseille - to which away fans have been banned from travelling by local authorities.
Champions League fixtures: Fans facing 'worrying' trends in safety at matches - BBC Sport https://share.google/e0VLDqXoryCuvJOJy

Reims said on Thursday that its fans were not authorized to travel to Nice because their French league match on Sunday in the Riviera city has been identified as “at risk” of violence.
More away supporters hit by travel bans in France following death of a soccer fan | AP News https://share.google/nDBFGhHPMKPQfuFYO

Away football supporters will be banned from top matches in France until mid-December.

The country remains in a state of emergency following the Paris attacks

Away fans banned from top matches in France until mid-December as country remains in state of emergency - Irish Mirror Online https://share.google/uAFqLaXGf41ynrZmU

[ceannairceach]

And yet this is the group that managed to pitch themselves as uber victims and so “marginalized”, yet click their fingers and get what they want from Halal only food in schools where their brats are a tiny minority … to this decision where they openly say “we’ll kill anyone who disagrees” and gets Jewish people banned.

And the useful idiots support them again and again.

[knownunknown]

When there are matches where a lot of aggression and risk of violence is a possibility extra resources need to be deployed that go beyond the local police force. That’s why these types of matches sometimes get cancelled or fan travel bans issued.

Seriously, it sometimes seems that people deliberately want things to escalate so it can add fuel to their viewpoint. Would you really want to send the Tel Aviv fans to this place right now?

They already experienced it in Amsterdam so they know what they are getting themselves into so that’s their choice. In Amsterdam Dutch police they didn’t realize the threat that unfolded and weren’t prepared. Birmingham have plenty of time to prepare and get it right.

I could understand if Aston Villa said “ok we can’t handle the security, let’s play the match in tel Aviv”, but the game remains in Birmingham and Aston Villa receive the benefit of Tel Aviv not having their fans. They could achieve an equal outcome by banning Aston Villa supporters and closing the city for the day, there would be no issues of security. Yes, events get cancelled but this isn’t cancelled. Yes events get travelling fans suspended but only as punishment for doing something wrong.

It sets a terrible precedent and is an issue no one has really addressed. Imagine some football fans hear this and decide to threaten every away team that dares to venture. It’s punishing the team, punishing their fans and telling terrorists everywhere they can win if they shout loud enough.
This is the antithesis of freedom and everything the west holds dear. If we don’t fight for something like this, what do we fight for?

We don’t tell women not to go out dressed up all nice with make and heels because that would be victim blaming. We increase security if there is a threat.
We didn’t ban concerts after the Manchester bombing, we allow them to happen with increased security.
We don’t close pedestrian roads, we put up car ramming barriers.
We don’t let them win because next time it will be worse.

It seems the government has got involved and wants to allow the away fans to attend still. They realize the significance is more than about the safety of one game. SAG haven’t said they need more resources, more officers, more equipment, they have said they will only review if the threat level reduces- this stinks of politicisation.

[Bubblypop]

And yet this is the group that managed to pitch themselves as uber victims and so “marginalized”, yet click their fingers and get what they want from Halal only food in schools where their brats are a tiny minority … to this decision where they openly say “we’ll kill anyone who disagrees” and gets Jewish people banned.

And the useful idiots support them again and again.

How many had black hair though?
You seem to want some Israeli supporters to become more victims.

[Jequ0n]

They already experienced it in Amsterdam so they know what they are getting themselves into so that’s their choice. In Amsterdam Dutch police they didn’t realize the threat that unfolded and weren’t prepared. Birmingham have plenty of time to prepare and get it right.

I could understand if Aston Villa said “ok we can’t handle the security, let’s play the match in tel Aviv”, but the game remains in Birmingham and Aston Villa receive the benefit of Tel Aviv not having their fans. They could achieve an equal outcome by banning Aston Villa supporters and closing the city for the day, there would be no issues of security. Yes, events get cancelled but this isn’t cancelled. Yes events get travelling fans suspended but only as punishment for doing something wrong.

It sets a terrible precedent and is an issue no one has really addressed. Imagine some football fans hear this and decide to threaten every away team that dares to venture. It’s punishing the team, punishing their fans and telling terrorists everywhere they can win if they shout loud enough.
This is the antithesis of freedom and everything the west holds dear. If we don’t fight for something like this, what do we fight for?

We don’t tell women not to go out dressed up all nice with make and heels because that would be victim blaming. We increase security if there is a threat.
We didn’t ban concerts after the Manchester bombing, we allow them to happen with increased security.
We don’t close pedestrian roads, we put up car ramming barriers.
We don’t let them win because next time it will be worse.

It seems the government has got involved and wants to allow the away fans to attend still. They realize the significance is more than about the safety of one game. SAG haven’t said they need more resources, more officers, more equipment, they have said they will only review if the threat level reduces- this stinks of politicisation.

I agree that the better solution would be to have the game played without any fans present because it would send the better message.
I reject the idea that the travel ban was issued for anti semantic reasons though.
The biggest pro Palestine marches happened only last weekend. It would be absolute insanity to invite the fans of a foreign football team into a country that is currently battling huge unrest. Sending the English team and their fans to an active war zone with a temporary cease fire (we all know that this is not the end of that conflict) would be equally idiotic.

The UK needs to get its social unrest under control and the Gaza protests have shown up how massive and influential radical Islam is in the country. And they will be gearing up to bring in more severe crowd control and surveillance measures. Unfortunately this doesn’t work as easily as it did with the Southport riots because the usual suspects will all cry racism. That’s the big problem, not a football team that might have to play one match without its fans present.

And don’t worry, I will tell women (or any other self acclaimed victims) that they have partial responsibility for what happened to them if they made stupid and careless decisions. Not about choice of clothes, but there are some idiotic behaviours by which people make themselves targets.
Travelling to an event in an area where social unrest and radical racism might be an issue is another example of taking unnecessary risks for yourself.

[ceannairceach]

They already experienced it in Amsterdam so they know what they are getting themselves into so that’s their choice. In Amsterdam Dutch police they didn’t realize the threat that unfolded and weren’t prepared. Birmingham have plenty of time to prepare and get it right.

I could understand if Aston Villa said “ok we can’t handle the security, let’s play the match in tel Aviv”, but the game remains in Birmingham and Aston Villa receive the benefit of Tel Aviv not having their fans. They could achieve an equal outcome by banning Aston Villa supporters and closing the city for the day, there would be no issues of security. Yes, events get cancelled but this isn’t cancelled. Yes events get travelling fans suspended but only as punishment for doing something wrong.

It sets a terrible precedent and is an issue no one has really addressed. Imagine some football fans hear this and decide to threaten every away team that dares to venture. It’s punishing the team, punishing their fans and telling terrorists everywhere they can win if they shout loud enough.
This is the antithesis of freedom and everything the west holds dear. If we don’t fight for something like this, what do we fight for?

We don’t tell women not to go out dressed up all nice with make and heels because that would be victim blaming. We increase security if there is a threat.
We didn’t ban concerts after the Manchester bombing, we allow them to happen with increased security.
We don’t close pedestrian roads, we put up car ramming barriers.
We don’t let them win because next time it will be worse.

It seems the government has got involved and wants to allow the away fans to attend still. They realize the significance is more than about the safety of one game. SAG haven’t said they need more resources, more officers, more equipment, they have said they will only review if the threat level reduces- this stinks of politicisation.

The Home Secretary in the UK is very clearly biased and unless there is an election that country will be damaged by her.

[ceannairceach]

I agree that the better solution would be to have the game played without any fans present because it would send the better message.
I reject the idea that the travel ban was issued for anti semantic reasons though.
The biggest pro Palestine marches happened only last weekend. It would be absolute insanity to invite the fans of a foreign football team into a country that is currently battling huge unrest. Sending the English team and their fans to an active war zone with a temporary cease fire (we all know that this is not the end of that conflict) would be equally idiotic.

The UK needs to get its social unrest under control and the Gaza protests have shown up how massive and influential radical Islam is in the country. And they will be gearing up to bring in more severe crowd control and surveillance measures. Unfortunately this doesn’t work as easily as it did with the Southport riots because the usual suspects will all cry racism. That’s the big problem, not a football team that might have to play one match without its fans present.

And don’t worry, I will tell women (or any other self acclaimed victims) that they have partial responsibility for what happened to them if they made stupid and careless decisions. Not about choice of clothes, but there are some idiotic behaviours by which people make themselves targets.
Travelling to an event in an area where social unrest and radical racism might be an issue is another example of taking unnecessary risks for yourself.

Regarding your last paragraph - at lease there is acknowledgment that Muslims in many parts of the UK - and here too, sadly soon) are creating ghettos and no go areas where the vilest parts of sharia law are operated, above the law of the land.

What other group are allowed to act like this ? Ffs “community leaders” were consulted BEFORE the child rapists in many towns were arrested, leading to many fleeing justice.

They need to be called to order not pandered to,

[Jequ0n]

Regarding your last paragraph - at lease there is acknowledgment that Muslims in many parts of the UK - and here too, sadly soon) are creating ghettos and no go areas where the vilest parts of sharia law are operated, above the law of the land.

What other group are allowed to act like this ? Ffs “community leaders” were consulted BEFORE the child rapists in many towns were arrested, leading to many fleeing justice.

They need to be called to order not pandered to,

I mentioned before that I grew up in a place that had these types of ghettos and they were normalised by then. The joys of post colonial guilt allowing poor political decisions and the same applies for the UK.
The wave of Palestine protests has revealed how much Britain has been undermined and that this has to be deemed a threat. They are incredibly slow to implement any measures but I’m sure they will be coming eventually. And not because of a football match.

BTW people get away with crimes all the time. It depends who you know, how and where you source your goods and how much you are willing to pay to get off the hook. The case you are referring to is just one of many and this is not something that will ever go away.

[Clanrickard]

They already experienced it in Amsterdam so they know what they are getting themselves into so that’s their choice. In Amsterdam Dutch police they didn’t realize the threat that unfolded and weren’t prepared. Birmingham have plenty of time to prepare and get it right.

I could understand if Aston Villa said “ok we can’t handle the security, let’s play the match in tel Aviv”, but the game remains in Birmingham and Aston Villa receive the benefit of Tel Aviv not having their fans. They could achieve an equal outcome by banning Aston Villa supporters and closing the city for the day, there would be no issues of security. Yes, events get cancelled but this isn’t cancelled. Yes events get travelling fans suspended but only as punishment for doing something wrong.

It sets a terrible precedent and is an issue no one has really addressed. Imagine some football fans hear this and decide to threaten every away team that dares to venture. It’s punishing the team, punishing their fans and telling terrorists everywhere they can win if they shout loud enough.
This is the antithesis of freedom and everything the west holds dear. If we don’t fight for something like this, what do we fight for?

We don’t tell women not to go out dressed up all nice with make and heels because that would be victim blaming. We increase security if there is a threat.
We didn’t ban concerts after the Manchester bombing, we allow them to happen with increased security.
We don’t close pedestrian roads, we put up car ramming barriers.
We don’t let them win because next time it will be worse.

It seems the government has got involved and wants to allow the away fans to attend still. They realize the significance is more than about the safety of one game. SAG haven’t said they need more resources, more officers, more equipment, they have said they will only review if the threat level reduces- this stinks of politicisation.

Best post on this thread especially the underlined bit.

[ceannairceach]

Oh the sheer hypocrisy!!!!

Watching the match here and everyone “takes the knee” to combat all discrimination in football.

The same week that they demonstrated discrimination. Sorry Jewish people, that’s another demographic that they put above you.

[knownunknown]

Oh the sheer hypocrisy!!!!

Watching the match here and everyone “takes the knee” to combat all discrimination in football.

The same week that they demonstrated discrimination. Sorry Jewish people, that’s another demographic that they put above you.

Performative crap. I see they did away with it in the women’s league already. Had there been crowds in the stadiums when it happened first they would never got away with it. George Floyd’s death had nothing to do with racism, yet we are forced to engage in this delusion as a society.

Good on the women.

[ceannairceach]

Performative crap. I see they did away with it in the women’s league already. Had there been crowds in the stadiums when it happened first they would never got away with it. George Floyd’s death had nothing to do with racism, yet we are forced to engage in this delusion as a society.

Good on the women.

100% - it comes to something when a violent fentanyl addled thug is held up as a role model!

[Jequ0n]

Performative crap. I see they did away with it in the women’s league already. Had there been crowds in the stadiums when it happened first they would never got away with it. George Floyd’s death had nothing to do with racism, yet we are forced to engage in this delusion as a society.

Good on the women.

Spot on. But this is how crowds are managed and controlled these days. You can either get angry about it or find ways to join the game

[ceannairceach]

Spot on. But this is how crowds are managed and controlled these days. You can either get angry about it or find ways to join the game

It’s how the TQ+ mob got such a hold, they piggybacked on the gay rights movement and realised that if they were to get their lunatic perversions, homophobia and misogyny through they needed to play a long game.

No one wants to be thought of as intolerant to perfectly normal things like two guys marrying so they jumped on that.

Now it’s violent cross dressing men harassing women in our safe legally held single sex spaces and gay people being medicated out of existence.

Same with this “kneeling” bullshit - no one wants to be thought of as racist but doing it for a scumbag who held up a pregnant woman at knifepoint, FRO with that.

Look at tennis player Naomi Osaka - during the US Open during COVID she appeared with a different (in her term) “black martyr” on her masks, all convicted felons, most with a violent record.

It’s about getting a crowd to agree with whatever idiocy you peddle and you start by attaching it to normal actions.

[Jequ0n]

It’s how the TQ+ mob got such a hold, they piggybacked on the gay rights movement and realised that if they were to get their lunatic perversions, homophobia and misogyny through they needed to play a long game.

No one wants to be thought of as intolerant to perfectly normal things like two guys marrying so they jumped on that.

Now it’s violent cross dressing men harassing women in our safe legally held single sex spaces and gay people being medicated out of existence.

Same with this “kneeling” bullshit - no one wants to be thought of as racist but doing it for a scumbag who held up a pregnant woman at knifepoint, FRO with that.

Look at tennis player Naomi Osaka - during the US Open during COVID she appeared with a different (in her term) “black martyr” on her masks, all convicted felons, most with a violent record.

It’s about getting a crowd to agree with whatever idiocy you peddle and you start by attaching it to normal actions.

I agree with you.
It’s the same for all of these trends, including the believeallwomen, metoo and neurodiversity bullshit.

[ceannairceach]

I agree with you.
It’s the same for all of these trends, including the believeallwomen, metoo and neurodiversity bullshit.

Oh don’t - everything that used to be personality quirks are now a label!

[Jequ0n]

And now a local derby involving the same Tel Aviv club has been cancelled because of violent fan behaviour, which has been the reason cited for issuing the fan ban in Birmingham.

At least nobody will scream antisemitism now that the cancelled event was to take place in Israel.

https://news.sky.com/story/tel-aviv-foo ... d-13453239

[knownunknown]

And now a local derby involving the same Tel Aviv club has been cancelled because of violent fan behaviour, which has been the reason cited for issuing the fan ban in Birmingham.

At least nobody will scream antisemitism now that the cancelled event was to take place in Israel.

https://news.sky.com/story/tel-aviv-foo ... d-13453239

Apples and oranges. The match in Birmingham is still going ahead without the away supporters. In the event of a cancellation both teams are treated equally, when one team’s fans are banned that is specifically punishing that team for the inadequacies of the local police.

Meanwhile also in the UK anyone with a Star of David is seen to be provoking attacks on them. This explains the rationale for Birmingham, the tel Aviv fans are very openly Jewish.

[Jequ0n]

Apples and oranges. The match in Birmingham is still going ahead without the away supporters. In the event of a cancellation both teams are treated equally, when one team’s fans are banned that is specifically punishing that team for the inadequacies of the local police.

Meanwhile also in the UK anyone with a Star of David is seen to be provoking attacks on them. This explains the rationale for Birmingham, the tel Aviv fans are very openly Jewish.

It’s not applies and oranges. Banning fans of one team is common practice if their fan base has come to be noticed for hooliganism. The local Tel Aviv match was cancelled as it would have been inevitable for fans to clash because they all would have been in the same locality anyway.

And regarding that article you screenshot: I’d caution to see what the investigation of his allegations will yield, because the headline is misleading and purely based on his allegations, which are refuted by the police, who will recorded evidence of the events. It sounds awfully familiar to the Gideon Falter allegations which were dishonest at best.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/1 ... rotesters/